Canon, Nikon or Sony

It's hilarious that people are so afraid to offend someone that they refuse to even give an opinion on their chosen camera.
Are there posters in the thread who meet that definition? I only skimmed the four pages, but I haven't noticed them. I see people who haven't gone into any detail about their personal choices, but that doesn't mean they're afraid to offend someone or refuse to give an opinion.
 
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It's hilarious that people are so afraid to offend someone that they refuse to even give an opinion on their chosen camera.
Are there posters in the thread who meet that definition? I only skimmed the four pages, but I haven't noticed them. I see people who haven't gone into any detail about their personal choices, but that doesn't mean they're afraid to offend someone or refuse to give an opinion.
I'd say most of them are. Why else write, "They're all good, just pick what you want."

Unless they shoot multiple systems, everyone has a preference. The OP says he can't try them all out, so he wants to hear what our preferences are and why. The non responses by most posters are not helpful to the OP and are frankly kind of silly.
 
I am starting fresh in the field of photography. No allegiance to one brand or to the other. I have used a d7500 and then a Sony kit. A few weeks ago I sold everything in an attempt to start fresh (i found a great price and lost about 1000 euro so it was a good deal). Seeing the new players in the field i am kinda confused. I like the specs of all cameras but i have made some thoughts:

- R6/R5 are great cameras but based on some reviews i am not convinced if the DR has improved. Lenses seem excellent and with interesting designs. Ergonomics are great. Between the two i am considering the R6 because it costs 2600 euro while R5 4800!

-Sony does innovate a lot and some might say is ahead of everyone in the industry though not by much. Lenses are sharp and nice but i hear they are hit or miss. Fortunately didnt have a bad experience with those. But i am not a fan of the ergonomics. I am considering the future a7iv (if it comes out soon) or the a7riv (though i am not a fan of all those mp)

-Nikon is doing a solid job of bringing out very good lenses if not excellent and they have covered all of the lenses i need and ergonomics and weather sealing is perfect. However the recent release left me worried. I wonder if they are stagnant as they fall behind the others in terms of technology and specs and sales. Is there a danger of being left with a discontinued system? From Nikon Z7 would be the one for me.

To tell you my use case. I do mostly travel photography (when we used to travel-remember those times?) and landscape and cityscape photography. Portraits are a small part and mostly those touristy photos. What do you use and what are your suggestions or ideas on my thought process for my next system?
I'd recommend them in exactly the inverse order of your title. Sony, Nikon, Canon.

For me, the #1 part of any new camera is focus. All three are functionally equal on that. #2 is DR, and Canon trails on that front.
While I agree with the Oder of Canon, Nikon and Sony, DR seems to be addressed, with Canon actually at the top.



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The Z7ii + 14-30mm f/4 would make a HECK of a travel kit. (Notice, I recommended Sony above Nikon, but I don't have as much firsthand experience with Sony's current offerings, so it's more difficult to recommend a specific pairing.)
 
It's hilarious that people are so afraid to offend someone that they refuse to even give an opinion on their chosen camera.
Are there posters in the thread who meet that definition? I only skimmed the four pages, but I haven't noticed them. I see people who haven't gone into any detail about their personal choices, but that doesn't mean they're afraid to offend someone or refuse to give an opinion.
I'd say most of them are. Why else write, "They're all good, just pick what you want."
Because they feel that's a correct answer. Your inference of fear being a motivation is only your opinion. Refusal is a strong term, implying that if the OP asked for more data it would not be offered. In other words, you presume too much.
Unless they shoot multiple systems, everyone has a preference. The OP says he can't try them all out, so he wants to hear what our preferences are and why. The non responses by most posters are not helpful to the OP
That may be the case, so you do get points for going into detail to serve the OP.
and are frankly kind of silly.
Again, that's only your opinion.
 
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It's hilarious that people are so afraid to offend someone that they refuse to even give an opinion on their chosen camera.
Are there posters in the thread who meet that definition? I only skimmed the four pages, but I haven't noticed them. I see people who haven't gone into any detail about their personal choices, but that doesn't mean they're afraid to offend someone or refuse to give an opinion.
I'd say most of them are. Why else write, "They're all good, just pick what you want."
Because they feel that's a correct answer. Your inference of fear being a motivation is only your opinion.
Of course it is. Read my signature.
Refusal is a strong term, implying that if the OP asked for more data it would not be offered. In other words, you presume too much.
Unless they shoot multiple systems, everyone has a preference. The OP says he can't try them all out, so he wants to hear what our preferences are and why. The non responses by most posters are not helpful to the OP
That may be the case, so you do get points for going into detail to serve the OP.
The OP says that it is the case.
and are frankly kind of silly.
Again, that's only your opinion.
Again, read my signature.
 
It's hilarious that people are so afraid to offend someone that they refuse to even give an opinion on their chosen camera.
Are there posters in the thread who meet that definition? I only skimmed the four pages, but I haven't noticed them. I see people who haven't gone into any detail about their personal choices, but that doesn't mean they're afraid to offend someone or refuse to give an opinion.
I'd say most of them are. Why else write, "They're all good, just pick what you want."
Because they feel that's a correct answer. Your inference of fear being a motivation is only your opinion. Refusal is a strong term, implying that if the OP asked for more data it would not be offered. In other words, you presume too much.
Unless they shoot multiple systems, everyone has a preference. The OP says he can't try them all out, so he wants to hear what our preferences are and why. The non responses by most posters are not helpful to the OP
That may be the case, so you do get points for going into detail to serve the OP.
and are frankly kind of silly.
Again, that's only your opinion.
What systems do you use and why? What are your likes and dislikes? What do you envy from the other side? Do you use a sony or nikon or camon mirrorless?
 
It's hilarious that people are so afraid to offend someone that they refuse to even give an opinion on their chosen camera.
Are there posters in the thread who meet that definition? I only skimmed the four pages, but I haven't noticed them. I see people who haven't gone into any detail about their personal choices, but that doesn't mean they're afraid to offend someone or refuse to give an opinion.
I'd say most of them are. Why else write, "They're all good, just pick what you want."
Because they feel that's a correct answer. Your inference of fear being a motivation is only your opinion.
Of course it is. Read my signature.
Refusal is a strong term, implying that if the OP asked for more data it would not be offered. In other words, you presume too much.
Unless they shoot multiple systems, everyone has a preference. The OP says he can't try them all out, so he wants to hear what our preferences are and why. The non responses by most posters are not helpful to the OP
That may be the case, so you do get points for going into detail to serve the OP.
The OP says that it is the case.
and are frankly kind of silly.
Again, that's only your opinion.
Again, read my signature.
I have signatures disabled. My opinion is that they're mostly annoying.
 
It's hilarious that people are so afraid to offend someone that they refuse to even give an opinion on their chosen camera.
Are there posters in the thread who meet that definition? I only skimmed the four pages, but I haven't noticed them. I see people who haven't gone into any detail about their personal choices, but that doesn't mean they're afraid to offend someone or refuse to give an opinion.
I'd say most of them are. Why else write, "They're all good, just pick what you want."
Because they feel that's a correct answer. Your inference of fear being a motivation is only your opinion.
Of course it is. Read my signature.
Refusal is a strong term, implying that if the OP asked for more data it would not be offered. In other words, you presume too much.
Unless they shoot multiple systems, everyone has a preference. The OP says he can't try them all out, so he wants to hear what our preferences are and why. The non responses by most posters are not helpful to the OP
That may be the case, so you do get points for going into detail to serve the OP.
The OP says that it is the case.
and are frankly kind of silly.
Again, that's only your opinion.
Again, read my signature.
I have signatures disabled. My opinion is that they're mostly annoying.
They are a vestigial annoyance from the AOL era. I think I'll put my gaming rig specs back in mine as an homage. But let's step back and give some thanks. At least we don't have to suffer signature photos here.
 
It's hilarious that people are so afraid to offend someone that they refuse to even give an opinion on their chosen camera.
Are there posters in the thread who meet that definition? I only skimmed the four pages, but I haven't noticed them. I see people who haven't gone into any detail about their personal choices, but that doesn't mean they're afraid to offend someone or refuse to give an opinion.
I'd say most of them are. Why else write, "They're all good, just pick what you want."
Because they feel that's a correct answer. Your inference of fear being a motivation is only your opinion.
Of course it is. Read my signature.
Refusal is a strong term, implying that if the OP asked for more data it would not be offered. In other words, you presume too much.
Unless they shoot multiple systems, everyone has a preference. The OP says he can't try them all out, so he wants to hear what our preferences are and why. The non responses by most posters are not helpful to the OP
That may be the case, so you do get points for going into detail to serve the OP.
The OP says that it is the case.
and are frankly kind of silly.
Again, that's only your opinion.
Again, read my signature.
I have signatures disabled. My opinion is that they're mostly annoying.
They are a vestigial annoyance from the AOL era. I think I'll put my gaming rig specs back in mine as an homage. But let's step back and give some thanks. At least we don't have to suffer signature photos here.
I like them. It is a better reminder of what the poster said in other conversations than just a user name.

The first line in my signature says, "That's my opinion, and it's worth what you paid for it". I put that in my signature, because so many people think others aren't smart enough to distinguish fact from opinion. So they feel compelled to point out each opinion.

Of course, if I state a fact, they are then going to pretend that they can't tell it's a fact, because I said it's my opinion, but I can't help with the silly word games.
 
I like them. It is a better reminder of what the poster said in other conversations than just a user name.

The first line in my signature says, "That's my opinion, and it's worth what you paid for it". I put that in my signature, because so many people think others aren't smart enough to distinguish fact from opinion. So they feel compelled to point out each opinion.

Of course, if I state a fact, they are then going to pretend that they can't tell it's a fact, because I said it's my opinion, but I can't help with the silly word games.
Guys I am sorry to interrupt. I was wondering if you could tell me what system you use and what do you like about it. Or why do you find any of the systems i am interested in attractive and why. If you started over what would you buy with your own money?
 
It's hilarious that people are so afraid to offend someone that they refuse to even give an opinion on their chosen camera.
Are there posters in the thread who meet that definition? I only skimmed the four pages, but I haven't noticed them. I see people who haven't gone into any detail about their personal choices, but that doesn't mean they're afraid to offend someone or refuse to give an opinion.
I'd say most of them are. Why else write, "They're all good, just pick what you want."
Because they feel that's a correct answer. Your inference of fear being a motivation is only your opinion. Refusal is a strong term, implying that if the OP asked for more data it would not be offered. In other words, you presume too much.
Unless they shoot multiple systems, everyone has a preference. The OP says he can't try them all out, so he wants to hear what our preferences are and why. The non responses by most posters are not helpful to the OP
That may be the case, so you do get points for going into detail to serve the OP.
and are frankly kind of silly.
Again, that's only your opinion.
What systems do you use and why? What are your likes and dislikes? What do you envy from the other side? Do you use a sony or nikon or camon mirrorless?
I've seen your previous replies to other posters. You're looking for the latest generation full frame gear and you strongly prefer Nikon and you're deeply concerned about future viability - is that correct?

My own photo gear is all old stuff from Sony and Nikon - most of it discontinued. My main system is Minolta/Sony A-mount stuff that I chose back in 2006 because I used to shoot Minolta film cameras, and Sony acquired much of Minolta's intellectual property for the A-mount system at that time. I also shoot a lot with enthusiast level Sony compact cameras simply because I was already familiar with the Sony brand. More recently I've added a Nikon 1 system because I found 1" sensors work adequately for my purposes, and I value small size more and more for travel and casual shooting, and there is no other existing 1" ILC system.

Every camera and every camera system I've ever owned or used has inherent trade-offs. I accept them. I don't shoot full frame and I have no interest in it. I personally have no concerns about future viability of any of my photo gear. I have no need for the latest technology. I don't envy any other side. Finally, I know very few details about other gear lines from Sony and Nikon, and even less about the products of other brands.

Do you find any of this further detail helpful for your purposes?
 
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It's hilarious that people are so afraid to offend someone that they refuse to even give an opinion on their chosen camera.
Are there posters in the thread who meet that definition? I only skimmed the four pages, but I haven't noticed them. I see people who haven't gone into any detail about their personal choices, but that doesn't mean they're afraid to offend someone or refuse to give an opinion.
I'd say most of them are. Why else write, "They're all good, just pick what you want."
Because they feel that's a correct answer. Your inference of fear being a motivation is only your opinion. Refusal is a strong term, implying that if the OP asked for more data it would not be offered. In other words, you presume too much.
Unless they shoot multiple systems, everyone has a preference. The OP says he can't try them all out, so he wants to hear what our preferences are and why. The non responses by most posters are not helpful to the OP
That may be the case, so you do get points for going into detail to serve the OP.
and are frankly kind of silly.
Again, that's only your opinion.
What systems do you use and why? What are your likes and dislikes? What do you envy from the other side? Do you use a sony or nikon or camon mirrorless?
I've seen your previous replies to other posters. You're looking for the latest generation full frame gear and you strongly prefer Nikon and you're deeply concerned about future viability - is that correct?

My own photo gear is all old stuff from Sony and Nikon - most of it discontinued. My main system is Minolta/Sony A-mount stuff that I chose back in 2006 because I used to shoot Minolta film cameras, and Sony acquired much of Minolta's intellectual property for the A-mount system at that time. I also shoot a lot with enthusiast level Sony compact cameras simply because I was already familiar with the Sony brand. More recently I've added a Nikon 1 system because I found 1" sensors work adequately for my purposes, and I value small size more and more for travel and casual shooting, and there is no other existing 1" ILC system.

Every camera and every camera system I've ever owned or used has inherent trade-offs. I accept them. I don't shoot full frame and I have no interest in it. I personally have no concerns about future viability of any of my photo gear. I have no need for the latest technology. I don't envy any other side. Finally, I know very few details about other gear lines from Sony and Nikon, and even less about the products of other brands.

Do you find any of this further detail helpful for your purposes?
I understand your point and i admire your passion with what you do. Unfortunately that doesn't apply to my wants. I do realise that what i ask comes out as GAS but my setups are very minimalist. I try to find the best system that will help me achieve my desired photo. I am not just looking into the bodies but the lenses too. Are the lenses of good quality? Is the af of nikon as bad as youtubers say (i know that is exaggerated but i have to ask)? is there any aspect of your camera or the system in general that would hinder you from creating?

I have a tendency to have the latest gear. Thats because i start fresh and i want the latest technology to work in my favour. I have the opportunity to buy a d810 with a whole bunch of lenses but if i am to drop so much cash i will buy the latest
 
It's hilarious that people are so afraid to offend someone that they refuse to even give an opinion on their chosen camera.
Are there posters in the thread who meet that definition? I only skimmed the four pages, but I haven't noticed them. I see people who haven't gone into any detail about their personal choices, but that doesn't mean they're afraid to offend someone or refuse to give an opinion.
I'd say most of them are. Why else write, "They're all good, just pick what you want."
Because they feel that's a correct answer. Your inference of fear being a motivation is only your opinion. Refusal is a strong term, implying that if the OP asked for more data it would not be offered. In other words, you presume too much.
Unless they shoot multiple systems, everyone has a preference. The OP says he can't try them all out, so he wants to hear what our preferences are and why. The non responses by most posters are not helpful to the OP
That may be the case, so you do get points for going into detail to serve the OP.
and are frankly kind of silly.
Again, that's only your opinion.
What systems do you use and why? What are your likes and dislikes? What do you envy from the other side? Do you use a sony or nikon or camon mirrorless?
I've seen your previous replies to other posters. You're looking for the latest generation full frame gear and you strongly prefer Nikon and you're deeply concerned about future viability - is that correct?

My own photo gear is all old stuff from Sony and Nikon - most of it discontinued. My main system is Minolta/Sony A-mount stuff that I chose back in 2006 because I used to shoot Minolta film cameras, and Sony acquired much of Minolta's intellectual property for the A-mount system at that time. I also shoot a lot with enthusiast level Sony compact cameras simply because I was already familiar with the Sony brand. More recently I've added a Nikon 1 system because I found 1" sensors work adequately for my purposes, and I value small size more and more for travel and casual shooting, and there is no other existing 1" ILC system.

Every camera and every camera system I've ever owned or used has inherent trade-offs. I accept them. I don't shoot full frame and I have no interest in it. I personally have no concerns about future viability of any of my photo gear. I have no need for the latest technology. I don't envy any other side. Finally, I know very few details about other gear lines from Sony and Nikon, and even less about the products of other brands.

Do you find any of this further detail helpful for your purposes?
I understand your point and i admire your passion with what you do. Unfortunately that doesn't apply to my wants.
As I figured.
I do realise that what i ask comes out as GAS but my setups are very minimalist. I try to find the best system that will help me achieve my desired photo. I am not just looking into the bodies but the lenses too. Are the lenses of good quality? Is the af of nikon as bad as youtubers say (i know that is exaggerated but i have to ask)? is there any aspect of your camera or the system in general that would hinder you from creating?

I have a tendency to have the latest gear. Thats because i start fresh and i want the latest technology to work in my favour. I have the opportunity to buy a d810 with a whole bunch of lenses but if i am to drop so much cash i will buy the latest
Perhaps, like me, other posters in the thread simply realize that they can't contribute much to your personal quest.
 
It's hilarious that people are so afraid to offend someone that they refuse to even give an opinion on their chosen camera.
Are there posters in the thread who meet that definition? I only skimmed the four pages, but I haven't noticed them. I see people who haven't gone into any detail about their personal choices, but that doesn't mean they're afraid to offend someone or refuse to give an opinion.
I'd say most of them are. Why else write, "They're all good, just pick what you want."
Because they feel that's a correct answer. Your inference of fear being a motivation is only your opinion. Refusal is a strong term, implying that if the OP asked for more data it would not be offered. In other words, you presume too much.
Unless they shoot multiple systems, everyone has a preference. The OP says he can't try them all out, so he wants to hear what our preferences are and why. The non responses by most posters are not helpful to the OP
That may be the case, so you do get points for going into detail to serve the OP.
and are frankly kind of silly.
Again, that's only your opinion.
What systems do you use and why? What are your likes and dislikes? What do you envy from the other side? Do you use a sony or nikon or camon mirrorless?
I've seen your previous replies to other posters. You're looking for the latest generation full frame gear and you strongly prefer Nikon and you're deeply concerned about future viability - is that correct?

My own photo gear is all old stuff from Sony and Nikon - most of it discontinued. My main system is Minolta/Sony A-mount stuff that I chose back in 2006 because I used to shoot Minolta film cameras, and Sony acquired much of Minolta's intellectual property for the A-mount system at that time. I also shoot a lot with enthusiast level Sony compact cameras simply because I was already familiar with the Sony brand. More recently I've added a Nikon 1 system because I found 1" sensors work adequately for my purposes, and I value small size more and more for travel and casual shooting, and there is no other existing 1" ILC system.

Every camera and every camera system I've ever owned or used has inherent trade-offs. I accept them. I don't shoot full frame and I have no interest in it. I personally have no concerns about future viability of any of my photo gear. I have no need for the latest technology. I don't envy any other side. Finally, I know very few details about other gear lines from Sony and Nikon, and even less about the products of other brands.

Do you find any of this further detail helpful for your purposes?
I understand your point and i admire your passion with what you do. Unfortunately that doesn't apply to my wants.
As I figured.
I do realise that what i ask comes out as GAS but my setups are very minimalist. I try to find the best system that will help me achieve my desired photo. I am not just looking into the bodies but the lenses too. Are the lenses of good quality? Is the af of nikon as bad as youtubers say (i know that is exaggerated but i have to ask)? is there any aspect of your camera or the system in general that would hinder you from creating?

I have a tendency to have the latest gear. Thats because i start fresh and i want the latest technology to work in my favour. I have the opportunity to buy a d810 with a whole bunch of lenses but if i am to drop so much cash i will buy the latest
Perhaps, like me, other posters in the thread simply realize that they can't contribute much to your personal quest.
I am mostly asking for their experience with the system they use right now. Especially if they use the aforementioned cameras. I have my answer to my other questions.
 
It's hilarious that people are so afraid to offend someone that they refuse to even give an opinion on their chosen camera.
Are there posters in the thread who meet that definition? I only skimmed the four pages, but I haven't noticed them. I see people who haven't gone into any detail about their personal choices, but that doesn't mean they're afraid to offend someone or refuse to give an opinion.
I'd say most of them are. Why else write, "They're all good, just pick what you want."
Because they feel that's a correct answer. Your inference of fear being a motivation is only your opinion. Refusal is a strong term, implying that if the OP asked for more data it would not be offered. In other words, you presume too much.
Unless they shoot multiple systems, everyone has a preference. The OP says he can't try them all out, so he wants to hear what our preferences are and why. The non responses by most posters are not helpful to the OP
That may be the case, so you do get points for going into detail to serve the OP.
and are frankly kind of silly.
Again, that's only your opinion.
What systems do you use and why? What are your likes and dislikes? What do you envy from the other side? Do you use a sony or nikon or camon mirrorless?
I've seen your previous replies to other posters. You're looking for the latest generation full frame gear and you strongly prefer Nikon and you're deeply concerned about future viability - is that correct?

My own photo gear is all old stuff from Sony and Nikon - most of it discontinued. My main system is Minolta/Sony A-mount stuff that I chose back in 2006 because I used to shoot Minolta film cameras, and Sony acquired much of Minolta's intellectual property for the A-mount system at that time. I also shoot a lot with enthusiast level Sony compact cameras simply because I was already familiar with the Sony brand. More recently I've added a Nikon 1 system because I found 1" sensors work adequately for my purposes, and I value small size more and more for travel and casual shooting, and there is no other existing 1" ILC system.

Every camera and every camera system I've ever owned or used has inherent trade-offs. I accept them. I don't shoot full frame and I have no interest in it. I personally have no concerns about future viability of any of my photo gear. I have no need for the latest technology. I don't envy any other side. Finally, I know very few details about other gear lines from Sony and Nikon, and even less about the products of other brands.

Do you find any of this further detail helpful for your purposes?
I understand your point and i admire your passion with what you do. Unfortunately that doesn't apply to my wants. I do realise that what i ask comes out as GAS but my setups are very minimalist. I try to find the best system that will help me achieve my desired photo. I am not just looking into the bodies but the lenses too. Are the lenses of good quality? Is the af of nikon as bad as youtubers say (i know that is exaggerated but i have to ask)? is there any aspect of your camera or the system in general that would hinder you from creating?

I have a tendency to have the latest gear. Thats because i start fresh and i want the latest technology to work in my favour. I have the opportunity to buy a d810 with a whole bunch of lenses but if i am to drop so much cash i will buy the latest
I spoke to the EF/RF lens catalogue, but I forgot to mention the lenses that you specifically asked about.

The RF mount has the two F2.8 zooms that you want, and they are both very highly rated, better than the EF versions. But Canon also has the only 28-70 F2 zoom lens available. That could even replace your desired 35mm prime. It's big, heavy, and expensive, but it's probably the best normal zoom out there and definitely the fastest for any FF system.

The RF 35 F1.8 IS macro is my favorite lens at night. I value the macro a lot, and all my zooms are F4 or slower. But the EF 35 mm F1.4 Lii is optically superior.
 
. I try to find the best system that will help me achieve my desired photo.
Wow, that is an expensive option - but if that is the case, go for a Hasselblad/Fujifilm/PhaseOne medium format type system.
I am not just looking into the bodies but the lenses too. Are the lenses of good quality?
Yes. Modern lenses are very good, plus you can use any old classics on mirrorless. I personally hold to the idea that there are no bad lenses, just lenses that are a bit more difficult to use, or which have a certain 'character'... but if you are looking for sharp contrasty and fast focusing, any system will deliver.
Is the af of nikon as bad as youtubers say (i know that is exaggerated but i have to ask)?
Of course not - even if it isn't as good as the best of the competition, it is still going to be effective in most situations - after all people did manage to take good photographs with film-era AF, or even with manual focus.
is there any aspect of your camera or the system in general that would hinder you from creating?
My talent is the limiting factor. I would expect that to be the case with most photographers.
I have a tendency to have the latest gear. Thats because i start fresh and i want the latest technology to work in my favour.
If you are affluent then you can afford that. You get more for your money if you are prepared to have last year's model, but if money is no object...
I have the opportunity to buy a d810 with a whole bunch of lenses but if i am to drop so much cash i will buy the latest
The D810 would be a great option if the price is right. I don't think anyone wwould feel very limited by such a camera.
 
It's hilarious that people are so afraid to offend someone that they refuse to even give an opinion on their chosen camera.
Are there posters in the thread who meet that definition? I only skimmed the four pages, but I haven't noticed them. I see people who haven't gone into any detail about their personal choices, but that doesn't mean they're afraid to offend someone or refuse to give an opinion.
I'd say most of them are. Why else write, "They're all good, just pick what you want."
Because for OP's very basic needs, this is true. He can't go wrong with any of these brands for the stuff he shoots.
Unless they shoot multiple systems, everyone has a preference. The OP says he can't try them all out, so he wants to hear what our preferences are and why. The non responses by most posters are not helpful to the OP and are frankly kind of silly.
I think you're operating under the false assumption that everyone's preferences and opinions are fleshed out and useful. That's simply not the case. Plus OP spent more time regurgitating all the hot button forum topics (Does Canon have DR? Will Nikon innovate? Sony ergonomics and QC!) than speaking to what he's looking for in a photographic tool. So to a degree I think a lot of people just didn't feel like wasting their time :-D

OP needs to shut out all the inane forum chatter and just think through what he wants in a system, and arrive at a decision by process of elimination. Lenses, video, IBIS, flash support, portability/weight, budget etc.... it all becomes pretty straightforward that way and doesn't require much outside input or help.
 
I spoke to the EF/RF lens catalogue, but I forgot to mention the lenses that you specifically asked about.

The RF mount has the two F2.8 zooms that you want, and they are both very highly rated, better than the EF versions. But Canon also has the only 28-70 F2 zoom lens available. That could even replace your desired 35mm prime. It's big, heavy, and expensive, but it's probably the best normal zoom out there and definitely the fastest for any FF system.

The RF 35 F1.8 IS macro is my favorite lens at night. I value the macro a lot, and all my zooms are F4 or slower. But the EF 35 mm F1.4 Lii is optically superior.
I have heard about their quality. I was flirting with the idea of having that lens but for just one stop more light and 4 mm at the wide end less, i cannot justify the purchase (plus in greece it costs 1000 euro more than the 24-70 2.8). Moreover i mostly use a prime 35 mm for night out photos. it is easier, i stop thinking which FL and focus on composition. Its lighter than the 28-70 and gathers more light. That is my thought process.

I had a lot of primes (24, 35, 50, 85 and a 70-200). It was not only expensive but also tiring changing lenses all the time. Especially when my friends are not so inclined in photography and i have to compose quickly and get the shot. So i changed to a 24-70, sold every prime except the 35 and i was extremely happy. Mybe i will add at some point a wider prime and thats all. Thats why every system can accomodate my needs in terms of lenses. Maybe rf and z lenses are of better quality or they are pretty mych equal. But for me it is the system and how they all work in harmony. If there is something that may bug me in Canon or Nikon i would like to know it as i cant use them myself
 
. I try to find the best system that will help me achieve my desired photo.
Wow, that is an expensive option - but if that is the case, go for a Hasselblad/Fujifilm/PhaseOne medium format type system.
I am not just looking into the bodies but the lenses too. Are the lenses of good quality?
Yes. Modern lenses are very good, plus you can use any old classics on mirrorless. I personally hold to the idea that there are no bad lenses, just lenses that are a bit more difficult to use, or which have a certain 'character'... but if you are looking for sharp contrasty and fast focusing, any system will deliver.
Is the af of nikon as bad as youtubers say (i know that is exaggerated but i have to ask)?
Of course not - even if it isn't as good as the best of the competition, it is still going to be effective in most situations - after all people did manage to take good photographs with film-era AF, or even with manual focus.
is there any aspect of your camera or the system in general that would hinder you from creating?
My talent is the limiting factor. I would expect that to be the case with most photographers.
I have a tendency to have the latest gear. Thats because i start fresh and i want the latest technology to work in my favour.
If you are affluent then you can afford that. You get more for your money if you are prepared to have last year's model, but if money is no object...
I have the opportunity to buy a d810 with a whole bunch of lenses but if i am to drop so much cash i will buy the latest
The D810 would be a great option if the price is right. I don't think anyone wwould feel very limited by such a camera.
It would be an insult to say so. But for 8000 euro (along with 2 zooms and 2 sigma primes) i can buy a newer better performing camera
 
It's hilarious that people are so afraid to offend someone that they refuse to even give an opinion on their chosen camera.
Are there posters in the thread who meet that definition? I only skimmed the four pages, but I haven't noticed them. I see people who haven't gone into any detail about their personal choices, but that doesn't mean they're afraid to offend someone or refuse to give an opinion.
I'd say most of them are. Why else write, "They're all good, just pick what you want."
Because from what the OP mentioned, it doesn't bloody matter. It really doesn't, all the big three and most of the remaining others make great cameras all suited to what the OP mentioned.

Sometimes the various differences matter, sometimes they don't.

From what the OP mentioned, they do not matter to his choice.
 

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