It's time for Sony to release a major firmware update for A9II & A7RIV!

The only thing I would like for the new firmware Is the new touch screen menus
That would require a different LCD and Bionz XR processors like the ones introduced in a7S III. That's hardware - not firmware.
Maybe true wrt touch screen, but for sure the previous processor can run the menus. I mean - decades old processors with far less power have run much more complicated gui. I am not even sure the new is more demanding than the old.
There is sure and there is sure.

Are you sure enough to contact Sony and guarantee to underwrite any claims against them if they implemented the new menus and it turned out to have an unexpected impact that meant that customers cameras needed replacement?

- but seriously, someone at Sony will have to be that sure before they unleash new firmware on the community.
yes, I am sure - sure. Ask anyone in software development.
Well my background is in software development - and risk management.

It might well be possible, but any implementation needs to be sure that the monetary - and more importantly, reputational, risks are justified in the face of whatever benefits might be achieved.
this is frequently done by other companies, notably Fuji & Apple. Any “reputational” risk is surely on the upside. It’s been pretty consistent that firmware updates (more than lens compatibilities) end when new iterations are releaeased, irrespective of underlying hardware. Hence commercial seems to be the only rational explanation
it’s a quad core cortex a5 similar to what runs 2009 era smart phones with android and a Linux core. It’s also powered laptops, tablets etc.

there are only two explanations either:

1.) commercial

Or

2.) they don’t want to make such a radical change to existing products.

Btw this is also true for most of the firmware changes that happened between original a7 and a7riv.
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i just want more "overall stability" of the camera.
 
I think it's due given the Canon R5 competition!

I expect better AF algorithms for both models and:

A9II : 1)s-log
Not possible with the 9/a9 II sensor
I didn't know that... do you know why? What about picture profiles than?
and 4k 60p;)
Would require dual XR processors and heat sink. Neither can be added by firmware.
That's sad
A7RIV: 1) 4k 60p;
Once again, that would require dual XR processors and heat sink. Neither can be added by firmware.

While it is true R5 does not have a heat sink, a camera that becomes unusable after 20 minutes of 4K60 recording is suboptimal.
It's actually 37 minutes of 4K 60p (not 20) with internal recording and no overheating at all with external recording as reported by Undone...by the way I'm planning to do only short slow-mo of few min so I won't hit easily the limit of internal recording and in any case I could use an external record...and to be honest I better have 20 min of 4K 60p than nothing!

I actually have 2 A9II for events and one A7RIV for studio work and I really wouldn't like to buy and carry on a 4th body just fore some spare video work..let's see what the A7IV brings, I could exchange one A9II with one A7IV if it brings good video spec..or I will sadly have to start selling all my Sony gear...

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I think it's due given the Canon R5 competition!

I expect better AF algorithms for both models and:
Sony is already working on it: Its called a9III and a7rV.
Yep... but that's hardware not software... I'm asking about possible software improvements here, obviously I don't expect more megapixels in my A9II...even if I'd like to have the option to do pixel shift like we had in the old A7RIII and the actual A7RIV..
That doesnt change anything. Of course Sony could offer firmware updates to older models to add in new software only features (like Fuji), but they have always abandoned older models in favour of including the new features on the next model. This way they make more money with people upgrading.
That's not entirely true. My A7R III, with the firmware that shipped on the first batch, could only do eye AF when I pressed a custom button. After I installed a later firmware, I was able to make it a standard choice. (I think it also added animal eye AF, but I'm not certain) So Sony do add features in firmware updates sometimes.
And the A9 got Real Time Tracking..
 
Since I basically don't shoot video, not care much so far in that area.

I want,

1) lossless compressed RAW format. But in general A7r IV file size doesn't bother me as I shoot 90% photos in daylight in compressed RAW while 10% on tripod in uncompressed RAW. Storage is cheap these days.

2) better animal eye-AF.

3) further improved AF-C tracking.
Given what the great Brian Smith said us just one comment below I've lost hope in my requests and so I'm joining you in wanting at least these tree points..
 
Ok! I think I can now safely say that all the people who where negatives about major firmware updates from Sony where right. At Sony they made their decisions and in order to compete with other brands, instead of giving new features via major firmware updates to the existing cameras (A7RIV and A9II) they decided to compete lowering prices..we can see from today:

1000 $ off the Sony A9

500$ off the Sony A7RIV and RIII and so on also on various lenses for the next days...
 
The fact that you have zero interest in video does not mean that many other peoples have great interest in it.. and Canon seem to have understood this with R5 and R6 release that are actually outselling every camera on the market!
I'm not sure where you heard this but it's not true.

Here's the top 50 from BCN for last month.


As you can see the R5 is already on it's way out of the chart at #41, down from #26 last month. That's not surprising, expensive cameras do not sell in large numbers and the R5 is very expensive.

The R6 is doing better - up to #25 and #32 from #70 and #44 last month, (It appears twice because one is a lens kit).

It's still has some way to go to catch the A7III at #14 and #16. The A7III has been the highest selling FF camera in Japan since its inception and it's incredible really that it's still so highly placed 2.5 years after launch.

I don't think the R6 will be the highest selling FF camera 2.5 years from now, but we will see... :)
 
I think it's due given the Canon R5 competition!

I expect better AF algorithms for both models and:

A9II : 1)s-log and 4k 60p; 2) pixel shift;
Sorry, laughed longer than I should) A9x are not for pixel shift, not even close.
 
I think it's due given the Canon R5 competition!

I expect better AF algorithms for both models and:

A9II : 1)s-log and 4k 60p; 2) pixel shift;
Sorry, laughed longer than I should) A9x are not for pixel shift, not even close.
When you stop laughing without a reason (Risus abundat in ore stultorum) you could explain me why on earth pixel shift should not be good for A9II??? Wouldn’t be nice to be able to use A9II in studio and get 100 mpx of detailed file? (As we can get an enourmus and probably less useful 240mpx file from the RIV)?

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I think it's due given the Canon R5 competition!

I expect better AF algorithms for both models and:

A9II : 1)s-log and 4k 60p; 2) pixel shift;
Sorry, laughed longer than I should) A9x are not for pixel shift, not even close.
When you stop laughing without a reason (Risus abundat in ore stultorum) you could explain me why on earth pixel shift should not be good for A9II??? Wouldn’t be nice to be able to use A9II in studio and get 100 mpx of detailed file? (As we can get an enourmus and probably less useful 240mpx file from the RIV)?
Pixel shift is a niche feature for hi-res cameras. There's no reason to add it to low-res cameras, nobody is gonna use it.

To A9x it's better to add more features for object tracking.
 
I think it's due given the Canon R5 competition!

I expect better AF algorithms for both models and:

A9II : 1)s-log and 4k 60p; 2) pixel shift;
Sorry, laughed longer than I should) A9x are not for pixel shift, not even close.
When you stop laughing without a reason (Risus abundat in ore stultorum) you could explain me why on earth pixel shift should not be good for A9II??? Wouldn’t be nice to be able to use A9II in studio and get 100 mpx of detailed file? (As we can get an enourmus and probably less useful 240mpx file from the RIV)?
Pixel shift is a niche feature for hi-res cameras. There's no reason to add it to low-res cameras, nobody is gonna use it.

To A9x it's better to add more features for object tracking.
That's not true.. Olympus has it in their 20 Mpx Om-D cameras and they get a 50 Mpx file with a better implementation than Sony, so if just Sony wanted they could also put a pixel shift option in A7III and A9 cameras and get from 50 to 100 Mpx files..I would use it and like me I'm sure a lot of people would find it useful! So,again, It's a feature that can be added in all the cameras and as every feature someone can be interested in it and someone else can be less interest but for sure nothing to lough and for sure it's not up to you to decide if I would use it or not!

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The only thing I would like for the new firmware Is the new touch screen menus
That would require a different LCD and Bionz XR processors like the ones introduced in a7S III. That's hardware - not firmware.
Maybe true wrt touch screen, but for sure the previous processor can run the menus. I mean - decades old processors with far less power have run much more complicated gui. I am not even sure the new is more demanding than the old.
The new menu system is part of an entirely new OS designed for the dual Bionz XR processors and touch screen menu. I'd expect to see it on future XR cameras, but I don't expect the OS to be changed on current cameras.
 
The only thing I would like for the new firmware Is the new touch screen menus
That would require a different LCD and Bionz XR processors like the ones introduced in a7S III. That's hardware - not firmware.
Maybe true wrt touch screen, but for sure the previous processor can run the menus. I mean - decades old processors with far less power have run much more complicated gui. I am not even sure the new is more demanding than the old.
The new menu system is part of an entirely new OS designed for the dual Bionz XR processors and touch screen menu. I'd expect to see it on future XR cameras, but I don't expect the OS to be changed on current cameras.
Yes Brian, thx for being here and explaining us why we won't have new menus in current cameras...and we understand that, but I personally think it's a wrong choice from Sony..

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I think it's due given the Canon R5 competition!

I expect better AF algorithms for both models and:

A9II : 1)s-log and 4k 60p; 2) pixel shift;
Sorry, laughed longer than I should) A9x are not for pixel shift, not even close.
When you stop laughing without a reason (Risus abundat in ore stultorum) you could explain me why on earth pixel shift should not be good for A9II??? Wouldn’t be nice to be able to use A9II in studio and get 100 mpx of detailed file? (As we can get an enourmus and probably less useful 240mpx file from the RIV)?
Pixel shift is a niche feature for hi-res cameras. There's no reason to add it to low-res cameras, nobody is gonna use it.

To A9x it's better to add more features for object tracking.
Yup. It's important to remember that Sony a9 is designed for sports & action photographers.
 
I think it's due given the Canon R5 competition!

I expect better AF algorithms for both models and:

A9II : 1)s-log and 4k 60p; 2) pixel shift;
Sorry, laughed longer than I should) A9x are not for pixel shift, not even close.
When you stop laughing without a reason (Risus abundat in ore stultorum) you could explain me why on earth pixel shift should not be good for A9II??? Wouldn’t be nice to be able to use A9II in studio and get 100 mpx of detailed file? (As we can get an enourmus and probably less useful 240mpx file from the RIV)?
Pixel shift is a niche feature for hi-res cameras. There's no reason to add it to low-res cameras, nobody is gonna use it.

To A9x it's better to add more features for object tracking.
Yup. It's important to remember that Sony a9 is designed for sports & action photographers.
Sorry Brian, but we don't have to think in close compartments, the fact that A9 was designed for sport don't really matter... I have a lot of colleagues that use it for weddings and events just because of the superior af, and I personally cover a lot of "Food " events where I could use the added benefits of a pixel shift image for some detailed food shots without having to carry my A7RIV with me as a second body...
 
I think it's due given the Canon R5 competition!

I expect better AF algorithms for both models and:

A9II : 1)s-log and 4k 60p; 2) pixel shift;
Sorry, laughed longer than I should) A9x are not for pixel shift, not even close.
When you stop laughing without a reason (Risus abundat in ore stultorum) you could explain me why on earth pixel shift should not be good for A9II??? Wouldn’t be nice to be able to use A9II in studio and get 100 mpx of detailed file? (As we can get an enourmus and probably less useful 240mpx file from the RIV)?
Pixel shift is a niche feature for hi-res cameras. There's no reason to add it to low-res cameras, nobody is gonna use it.

To A9x it's better to add more features for object tracking.
Yup. It's important to remember that Sony a9 is designed for sports & action photographers.
And I would also add that's actually this close minded attitude from Sony that left space in the market for something like the Canon R5..a body that can do everything from product to events to sport!
 
How tired of Canon fans justifying their purchase of the R5 in front of everyone.
 
How tired of Canon fans justifying their purchase of the R5 in front of everyone.
If someone wants a Canon, or another brand, just buy it! No need for endless complaining to justify it to anyone else; just do it!

This whole whining thread is pathetic.
 
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How tired of Canon fans justifying their purchase of the R5 in front of everyone.
I'm not a Canon fan I'm actually Sony user since 4 years...I like Sony except ergonomics and Lcd and I would like to stay with Sony ..but I'm also a working pro so I'm free to choose what fit's best my needs..but that's too hard to understand for a blind Sony fan probably!
 

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