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Darned good point, Iliah, once more you pop up with a "goody" :-). I hadn't even thought about that one. For all we know the "noise" we are seeing is an artifact of what is opening the NEF. Wouldn't it be a hoot if the delay is getting Nikon View and Capture in shape?
Iliah Borg said:
Iliah Borg said:
Now he talks about "troubles", but the only trouble he can point to
is his evaluation of noise from version .23 software.
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Not only 0.23 firmware, but also non-dedicated responce curves in
Nikon View - they are tailored for different firmware version.
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Bill Dewey
http://www.deweydrive.com
 
You Nikonians are so damn spoiled it makes me sick. You've got at least 6 or 7 bodies to choose from: prosummer 14n, pro DCS 760 (built in a tried & tested F5), D1x, D1h, S2, D100, S1 & soon to be D2h. To boot, the Nikons are selling for less than the Canons and as we speak, prices are really good. If you can't do it with the aforementioned, you won't be able to do it with a camera built at & delivered on a red carpet from the Andromeda galaxy. Do you want the camera to have arms & legs to do the shooting for you?
jules
 
I'm a Nikonian (but I have also a Canon D60 with one lens) ...
My opinion:
I (we) think Nikon is bogged down ... (it's in italian idiom. you understand?).
Regards
Silvano
-Nikon D100 24-85G AF20 AF35 AF85 AF80-200D SB29dx
-Canon D60 EF24-85USM
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http://www.pbase.com/silvano
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Bill Dewey said:
Darned good point, Iliah, once more you pop up with a "goody" :-).
I hadn't even thought about that one. For all we know the "noise"
we are seeing is an artifact of what is opening the NEF.
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Towards the shadows, the range information occupies in histogram is more and more compressed, so the quality of post-processing algorithms like de-mosaicing, responce curves, color space conversion becomes here more important IMHO.

As far as I understand from experimenting with implementing RAW decoding myself, those three are actually responsible for abnormal noise levels in many cases, and what we see is not noise of the sensor, but posterisation.
Bill Dewey said:
Wouldn't it be a hoot if the delay is getting Nikon View and Capture in
shape?
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Improvement of RAW rendering quality between NC 1 and recent version NC 3.5x is IMHO to a big part due to handling color space conversion between the sensor color space and editing color space. Same sensors, same firmware - but what a difference just because of Nikon Capture/View processing algorithms improved, whatever it was the improvement (or, rather, improvements).
 
It's the constant boring dribble of
"nikon's not keeping up"
"canon is superior because they have new products"
"the D2H is late and there is no high rez option"
etc etc etc

It has nothing to do with you saying 2004. It's your impatients and your repetition. Once is enough. Yes, yes, this is an forum to talk about cameras but if you want to regurgitate the same subject over and over and over and over it is not welcome. You HAVE crossed the line. You HAVE got on more than one persons nerves here. The other people of the forum KNOW what you want. So there is no point of more posts saying over and over and over and over how nikon is late. It's boring, it's redundant, it's getting tiresome. If you have something relevant and something that you have evidence backing it up to contribute to this forum, please do! But please, please, I'm asking you to not post anything else regarding nikon being late for the party or anything regarding your displeasure for the lack of D2X. The forum KNOWS. They understand. We are all looking forward to it. But whining CONSTANTLY on here won't make it come faster and won't get you any friends here when you do get a camera and want some help with it.
Do you understand?

Brent
 
Iliah, thanks for the education. I don't know if this is of interest to anyone but you and I, but I hope it is. You have stated something that is so obvious I am ashamed to admit I hadn't thought of it. I noticed huge differences in post-processing ability between versions of NC, and we sit it as well in other products such as Bibble. Thinking back, I do realize that I can generate a "cleaner" image bringing up shadow detail now with 3.5 that I can before. And I am using the same camera, same sensor.

We all have to remember that the "software" is a combination of that in the camera as well as in post.

Thanks again!
Iliah Borg said:
Bill Dewey said:
Darned good point, Iliah, once more you pop up with a "goody" :-).
I hadn't even thought about that one. For all we know the "noise"
we are seeing is an artifact of what is opening the NEF.
Click to expand...
Towards the shadows, the range information occupies in histogram is
more and more compressed, so the quality of post-processing
algorithms like de-mosaicing, responce curves, color space
conversion becomes here more important IMHO.

As far as I understand from experimenting with implementing RAW
decoding myself, those three are actually responsible for abnormal
noise levels in many cases, and what we see is not noise of the
sensor, but posterisation.
Iliah Borg said:
Wouldn't it be a hoot if the delay is getting Nikon View and Capture in
shape?
Click to expand...
Improvement of RAW rendering quality between NC 1 and recent
version NC 3.5x is IMHO to a big part due to handling color space
conversion between the sensor color space and editing color space.
Same sensors, same firmware - but what a difference just because of
Nikon Capture/View processing algorithms improved, whatever it was
the improvement (or, rather, improvements).
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--
Bill Dewey
http://www.deweydrive.com
 
What an idea, but I would rather have a built-in, self-leveling, rock-solid tripod that can hold the camera and a 1250mm lens and work like a Wimberly. Oh, yeah, it should only add 2 ounces to the weight and collapse completely into the body :-). Perhaps it could be made from UnobTanium?

So I guess I am saying I just need the legs, I can press the shutter release myself, thank you very much.....

You do, however, make a good point, a very good point.

Thanks,
JJGP said:
You Nikonians are so damn spoiled it makes me sick. You've got at
least 6 or 7 bodies to choose from: prosummer 14n, pro DCS 760
(built in a tried & tested F5), D1x, D1h, S2, D100, S1 & soon to be
D2h. To boot, the Nikons are selling for less than the Canons and
as we speak, prices are really good. If you can't do it with the
aforementioned, you won't be able to do it with a camera built at &
delivered on a red carpet from the Andromeda galaxy. Do you want
the camera to have arms & legs to do the shooting for you?
jules
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--
Bill Dewey
http://www.deweydrive.com
 
Bill Dewey said:
You have stated something that is so obvious...
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We all are going through a kind of brainwashing about so called "noise levels", attributed to the sensor. IMHO no company nowdays would make such a mistake as to start producing sensors, having exessive noise and little dynamic range by themselves. But taming the conversion - that's another issue. I was also under impression of sensor noise, until I started writing my own soft for camera calibratioin. My first routine produced absolutely untolerable noise levels, and I kept asking myself how they get rid of it, not sacrificing image sharpness. In a couple of days I discovered that my routines were just plain silly, trying to convert color space to Lab before normalising the input with responce curves...
 
JoshuaMB said:
After visiting this site for over a year and trying to find out
when Nikon will release its next generation of digital cameras I
was orgasmic the day the first pictures of the new D2H were posted
(from that stolen brochure). I find it baffeling that people on
here dont understand why we want a new camera and why the D100 with
its cheap N80 body doesnt suffice and why it doesnt make sense to
buy a D1X at this time (would you buy a G3 or a 486 computer now?).
For those of us die hard Nikonians who really want to enter the
digital age all this waiting is really killing us. Canon canon
canon, constant new cameras that are decent, esp. the 10D which I
use regularly to shoot weddings, its not my own, its my partners,
we've gone 90% digital but use exclusively Canon 10D's because
Nikon has not come out with anything new yet. I have the money in
my savings account Nikon, its yours, just please come out with that
D2X soon!!!! please!
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Its interesting to see how passionate people are about others expression of WANT. I want a D2X, I want something that isnt yet available, its that simple- I dont want a quick fix; ie. I dont want whats out now (Ive already determined that), I dont want to switch all my equipment to canon to accomidate my desire to be able to shoot more digital, I am happy with all my Nikon equipment and actually regularly shoot Canon 10D's (regularly=every weekend). Being able to compair the two on a regular basis I still LOVE Nikons glass and the why they make their cameras and lenses. Get this people, esp. the ones offering their quick fix solutions, Im ok waiting and will continue to wait.

I did try the D100, put it thru the pases, worked with it, and didnt like it. ITs that simple. Im sure its a good camera, Im sure you can make great pictures with it, just like you could with a Holga (though no comparison is implied), just like you could with a pinhole camera. The image you make is your art, its either good or bad and ultimately you could say its all rather subjective. The point is what you want to work with and invest in. I suppose a good analogy would be if you are a Mercedes or Porsche driver and you love to drive that car. You go out of town and have to rent a Toyota Camry. Now that Camrey IS going to get your around, it is going to function essentially like your high performance car back home, but its not going to feel the same and you just wont feel the same love.

Stop getting so irked at people who want something new, something thats not available yet, and want it because they want to change their business. The D1X and D100, with all their new improvements in firmwear etc are probably great cameras, esp. the D1X, but I cannot justify buying a camera that is now almost 3 years old (that does sound wierd, esp. when the old F series cameas lasted for decades), but these new digitals are more like computers in that the technology is going to be improved vastly in a short span of time, so to buy a D1X now is really just paying for future R&D.... Some times its worth being patient and just WANTING but not doing anything to gratify that want.....
now go out and take some pretty pictures.
 
That all sounds quite reasonable, but the tone of teh title and some of the ensuing comments made you sound like a child who couldn't get his candy and didn't want his old lollipop. :P

doing so will not make the camera come any faster. What is it wit hthe loss of patience and wanting instant gratification in society now? I know that digital is not the same game improvement wise as film, but some patience people. New cams will come when they are ready.
JoshuaMB said:
Its interesting to see how passionate people are about others
expression of WANT. I want a D2X, I want something that isnt yet
available, its that simple- I dont want a quick fix; ie. I dont
want whats out now (Ive already determined that), I dont want to
switch all my equipment to canon to accomidate my desire to be able
to shoot more digital, I am happy with all my Nikon equipment and
actually regularly shoot Canon 10D's (regularly=every weekend).
Being able to compair the two on a regular basis I still LOVE
Nikons glass and the why they make their cameras and lenses. Get
this people, esp. the ones offering their quick fix solutions, Im
ok waiting and will continue to wait.
I did try the D100, put it thru the pases, worked with it, and
didnt like it. ITs that simple. Im sure its a good camera, Im sure
you can make great pictures with it, just like you could with a
Holga (though no comparison is implied), just like you could with a
pinhole camera. The image you make is your art, its either good or
bad and ultimately you could say its all rather subjective. The
point is what you want to work with and invest in. I suppose a good
analogy would be if you are a Mercedes or Porsche driver and you
love to drive that car. You go out of town and have to rent a
Toyota Camry. Now that Camrey IS going to get your around, it is
going to function essentially like your high performance car back
home, but its not going to feel the same and you just wont feel the
same love.
Stop getting so irked at people who want something new, something
thats not available yet, and want it because they want to change
their business. The D1X and D100, with all their new improvements
in firmwear etc are probably great cameras, esp. the D1X, but I
cannot justify buying a camera that is now almost 3 years old (that
does sound wierd, esp. when the old F series cameas lasted for
decades), but these new digitals are more like computers in that
the technology is going to be improved vastly in a short span of
time, so to buy a D1X now is really just paying for future R&D....
Some times its worth being patient and just WANTING but not doing
anything to gratify that want.....
now go out and take some pretty pictures.
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-marek

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http://www.pbase.com/mkrol/
http://www.usefilm.com/browse.php?mode=port&data=14298
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~okocim/photos/
 
Not likely to see it very soon, the D2H has just been delayed again ...
JoshuaMB said:
After visiting this site for over a year and trying to find out
when Nikon will release its next generation of digital cameras I
was orgasmic the day the first pictures of the new D2H were posted
(from that stolen brochure). I find it baffeling that people on
here dont understand why we want a new camera and why the D100 with
its cheap N80 body doesnt suffice and why it doesnt make sense to
buy a D1X at this time (would you buy a G3 or a 486 computer now?).
For those of us die hard Nikonians who really want to enter the
digital age all this waiting is really killing us. Canon canon
canon, constant new cameras that are decent, esp. the 10D which I
use regularly to shoot weddings, its not my own, its my partners,
we've gone 90% digital but use exclusively Canon 10D's because
Nikon has not come out with anything new yet. I have the money in
my savings account Nikon, its yours, just please come out with that
D2X soon!!!! please!
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That is they are having troupble getting enough yield on their sensors to make a substantial initial delivery.
--
David Jacobson
 
JoshuaMB said:
durable. Hold the D100 after that, use the 4 way switch on the
back, feel the cheap feeling sticky grip, use it, use the AF, none
of it feels worth it. Use a 10D, it feels solid and well built. It
works well, the AF is fast and good, the only problems:
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Funny; my experience is exactly the opposite....

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CHEERS!
 
Unless you are just out to fish for a new gizmo, you already have a D1-series camera. That's right. Or you are new in the profession. Very few though, pop right into one £10000 camera system, they have usually already visited someones garage before.

johanG.
Foxie said:
JoshuaMB said:
For those of us die hard Nikonians who really want to enter the
digital age all this waiting is really killing us.
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The real die-hard Nikonians have all been shooting the D1x and D1h
for months and months now. What's your excuse? ;-)

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CHEERS!
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If Nikon are unable to deliver the D2h or make long VR telephotos or to keep the Coolpix lineup up to date or bring out an 300D competitor how should they be able to make a D2X ?

This company seems to be unable to keep up with market demand........

Walter
 
it is a pity, I was a fan of Nikon for about 15-20 years, but what we see now is sad and I#m unhappy.

If you already own a D100 or 5700 it is okay and you can have fun with this cams for the next time, but if you are clear in the head, nobody will buy now a D100 it is 100% overpriced and it makes no sharp pics. same with 5700.
 
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