If the A7C had the 42MP sensor would that change your mind?

jhunna said:

Actually a lot of things to like about this camera as a video cam. For you photogs, would the extra performance of the 42MP sensor sway you to get this camera?

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If it also had a better EVF, the new processor/menu's and that silly EC dial was a customizable dial/or there was a front dial than yes it would be very interesting. I really like the 42mp sensor, a nice bump over 42, not too big like the 61, still decent size 18mp APS-c images and so on. I don't care about dual cards, shot with all the single card a7's with no issue.

Sony could do a 42mp a7c easily, and I'm betting they will to recycle more internals from existing cameras. I bet once we get the a93 we see the a92's internals make their way into a small body as well.

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The RX1R already exists and does a better job of being compact, but with the price of not being interchangeable.

I don't think it'd be possible to do 42mpx and still offer everything it has at that price. If it was then it would definitely sell more.

jhunna said:

Actually a lot of things to like about this camera as a video cam. For you photogs, would the extra performance of the 42MP sensor sway you to get this camera?

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Actually no - love 24 MP cameras. Small files and still overkill unless printing big. Huge.

Find the A7c wonderful (could wish for a flip screen). Small, pocketable, pretty much the same handling as the a6xxx series (which are just fine when getting used to them).

So the new cute one is fine as it is. Will most likely get one. Will get one...

My next wish for an image sensor is 150MP FF (2.4 micron pixels do actually have real life advantages - use a small 2.4 micron pixel pitch image sensor for some work now). But for ordinary work 24 MP is a wonderful compromise between speed and resolution.

ShenYL said:

I will really like a 400mm prime lenses less than 800gm.

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Have there ever been an AF lens with 400 mm for FF under 1 kg from any brand?

I doubt we'll see that - the Nikol PF 300 f/4.0 is some 750 g - without tripod mount

A 400 mm f/5.5 could potentially come close - I guess it might take a long time before we see such a lens from any manufacturer in the future

Trek of Joy said:

I don't care about dual cards, shot with all the single card a7's with no issue.

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I bet if you were in, say, Easter Island and were sold out or out of stock of cards while yours bit the biscuit you’d feel differently.

jhunna said:

Actually a lot of things to like about this camera as a video cam. For you photogs, would the extra performance of the 42MP sensor sway you to get this camera?

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Yes most definitely! The Sony A7C does have a lot going for it mind, mine's on pre-order with a free extended 3 yr warranty, free memory card and I've bagged a new Sony FE 24mm f1.4 GM Lens with £200 off!! ;-)

That would be a plus.

StevoPhilo said:

The RX1R already exists and does a better job of being compact, but with the price of not being interchangeable.

I don't think it'd be possible to do 42mpx and still offer everything it has at that price. If it was then it would definitely sell more.

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I LOVED that camera, but it was just too small. I would get A7C and the kit lens and buy the comparable 35mm lens from the RX1R2. THAT would be an exceptional camera.

joger said:

ShenYL said:

I will really like a 400mm prime lenses less than 800gm.

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Have there ever been an AF lens with 400 mm for FF under 1 kg from any brand?

I doubt we'll see that - the Nikol PF 300 f/4.0 is some 750 g - without tripod mount

A 400 mm f/5.5 could potentially come close - I guess it might take a long time before we see such a lens from any manufacturer in the future

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The manual focus Quantaray 400mm f/6.3 apparently weighs 717 grams.

The Soligor 400mm f/6.3 (manual focus, 1960s) weighs 960 grams.

For autofocus, the Sigma 400mm f/5.6 (1988) weighs 1.1 kg. That's the lightest I've found (excluding mirror lenses).

The new Canon 600mm f/11 lens is 930 grams, so a 400mm version being less than 800 grams is pretty reasonable to think possible.

BUT if you want autofocus, a fast aperture and decent image quality then under 800 grams is utter fantasy - just another silly dream lens.

splashy said:

No, this looks like a toy, old fashioned camera to me, bad ergonomic, bad EVF and Lcd, funny price, for a so called starter camera, where only the spec's are 'starter'.

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Funny that's exactly what I feel when first time looking at the picture of the camera. but when I look at a Olympus OMD 10 which is also old fashion looking I didn't have that feeling and actually think it's really cool so i bought one even I know the M4/3 sensor kind of sucks, haha, well, the " look" is very personal and everyone has different preference.

jhunna said:

Actually a lot of things to like about this camera as a video cam. For you photogs, would the extra performance of the 42MP sensor sway you to get this camera?

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Yes, I'd sell my A7R III and get it. 42mp sensor + real time tracking in a smaller form factor.

jhunna said:

Actually a lot of things to like about this camera as a video cam. For you photogs, would the extra performance of the 42MP sensor sway you to get this camera?

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This A7c is a clever big step for Sony. I will seriously consider it as a second and carry around camera if most of the following are improved:

1. The most important one! Release a full line of f/1.8/2 small compact fixed lenses with aperture ring + declick and A-ring lock + 1 customize button.

2. Better EVF (improve the cup and magnification factor. 059X won't cut it also higher resolution is a must.)

3. Give it more designated customizable buttons and the front dial.

4. two card slots please!

5.More MP ( 42 is a great idea!)

5. putting the joystick back as other modern 7 series

6. Using the latest updated menu.

7. Having a full function and highly responsive touch screen. Want it to work in menu.

8. New back screen mechanism so it can be tilted only without flipped out. And it can fully articulated when needed.

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zukes22 said:

UnfetteredWandering said:

jhunna said:

Actually a lot of things to like about this camera as a video cam. For you photogs, would the extra performance of the 42MP sensor sway you to get this camera?

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No. The three features that would have interested me in the A7C are the A7RIV's EVF, dual UHS II card slots, and a locking exposure compensation dial.

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Didn’t the Nex-7 even Have a locking exposure comp. dial?!

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No, and the NEX-7 did not have a dedicated comp dial that all A7x cameras have had since the series was born.

The lack of 42MP sensor is not the deal breaker as such. However, I own the A7iii and the A7C does not offer enough compelling changes for me.

If Sony had used the latest processor, card slot tech (combined UHS-ii and CFexpress - single slot is fine)...

The latest Bionz processer and touch lcd and menu system...

The latest 10 bit codecs for the modes they have included (up till 4K/30)

Then I would have been intrigued and strongly considered a switch. I love the A7c form factor and it would be a win on mountain hikes.

nonicks said:

jhunna said:

Actually a lot of things to like about this camera as a video cam. For you photogs, would the extra performance of the 42MP sensor sway you to get this camera?

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This A7c is a clever big step for Sony. I will seriously consider it as a second and carry around camera if most of the following are improved:

1. The most important one! Release a full line of f/1.8/2 small compact fixed lenses with aperture ring + declick and A-ring lock + 1 customize button.

2. Better EVF (improve the cup and magnification factor. 059X won't cut it also higher resolution is a must.)

3. Give it more designated customizable buttons and the front dial.

4. two card slots please!

5.More MP ( 42 is a great idea!)

5. putting the joystick back as other modern 7 series

6. Using the latest updated menu.

7. Having a full function and highly responsive touch screen. Want it to work in menu.

8. New back screen mechanism so it can be tilted only without flipped out. And it can fully articulated when needed.

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Jeees, it's _compact_! What 2nd card slot? Why? It's not enough space for it!

It would be more appealing, but I'd probably still go for the A7RIII. Coming from an A6400, I would prefer to leave incomplete controls and awkward EVFs behind.

More resolution isn't helpful if you're frustrated while taking each shot.

JohnNEX said:

joger said:

ShenYL said:

I will really like a 400mm prime lenses less than 800gm.

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Have there ever been an AF lens with 400 mm for FF under 1 kg from any brand?

I doubt we'll see that - the Nikol PF 300 f/4.0 is some 750 g - without tripod mount

A 400 mm f/5.5 could potentially come close - I guess it might take a long time before we see such a lens from any manufacturer in the future

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The manual focus Quantaray 400mm f/6.3 apparently weighs 717 grams.

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I've owned the Leica APO Telyt M ( 135 mm ) and I liked it a lot - a nearly flawless lens. Nearly - it is impossible to follow any slightly moving subject at the comparable slow aperture wide open of f/3.4 - this is the most perfect MF lens I've ever used. Apochromatic corrects and flawless performance wide open - if it jut had AF.

Model shootings are impossible - even if the model stops posing and moving subjects like a bird or an animal are impossible in case you're close enough to get a decent shot. Even at the rater slow aperture of f/3.4 the DOF is so small that every movement leads to mediocre sharpness even though the lens is capable of delivering mind blowing sharp results.

I sold the lens recently for my purchasing price since I got the GM 135 in the meantime. The GM 135 delivers utmost perfection > ⅔ of the shots - always under all thinkable conditions and in dim light => no tele lens for me without AF except I shoot architecture or landscape at slow apertures or with separation for artistic reasons.

JohnNEX said:

The Soligor 400mm f/6.3 (manual focus, 1960s) weighs 960 grams.

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I could live with an AF 400 mm lens at f/6.3 in case it is tack sharp and lightweight plus durable enough - yet I'd prefers something like the Nikon PF 500 f/5.6 at 1500 g - still lightweight enough and outstanding optical performance - f/6.3 is acceptable at 600 mm but not at 400 or even 500 mm

JohnNEX said:

For autofocus, the Sigma 400mm f/5.6 (1988) weighs 1.1 kg. That's the lightest I've found (excluding mirror lenses).

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The Sigma APO DG 180 macro was IMHO the best lens Sigma ever produced - 450 g, AF, APO correction and macro in a durable metallic tube with outstanding optical performance.

Such a lens would sell like hot cake today. I've used the 400 f/5.6 Sigma that time and I did not like it's performance - that's not a lens that I bought - just borrowed it from a friend for a weekend.

JohnNEX said:

The new Canon 600mm f/11 lens is 930 grams, so a 400mm version being less than 800 grams is pretty reasonable to think possible.

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Basically nonsense lenses - you have to up the ISO to unreasonable levels and the weight saving is not justifying the achievable image quality.

You basically turn your 60 MP camera in a 10 MP point and shoot

JohnNEX said:

BUT if you want autofocus, a fast aperture and decent image quality then under 800 grams is utter fantasy - just another silly dream lens.

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The Nikkor PF 300 f/4.0 exists with just 755 g weight.

I'd buy that lens in a heartbeat in E-mount without an adapter.

Make it 360 mm f/4.8 and I'll be even happier.

That's not fantasy but existing technology - but a pricy one and I am not sure that there are many enthusiasts out there that accept a GM 360 f/4.8 APO DO for 4..5 k USD

I would ;-)

We have all other focal lengths with incredible lenses - except a comparable compact GM 35..40ish lens with f/1.2 - the Sigma monster is an interesting thing and not my cup of tea.

Magnar W said:

jhunna said:

Actually a lot of things to like about this camera as a video cam. For you photogs, would the extra performance of the 42MP sensor sway you to get this camera?

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For real world work there isn't that much difference between 24 and 42 Mp. Not enough to make a visible difference even for large format prints.

With 24 Mp lots of lens aberrations are visible, and with 42 Mp these lens flaws are a bit more visible. To double resolution from 24 Mp you need a 96 Mp sensor.

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We will get there sooner or later - I guess the computational power of today's dense packed cameras doesn't allow for that yet. The new processor in the A7S III bight be capable enough and thus we'll see a 100 MP camera sooner or later - not because a 96 MP camera is not enough but because 100 sounds so much better ;-)

I am personally very happy with the 60 MP today - especially when I am cropping a bit less tight while photographing to have later on more freedom of defining my final output crop.

This reminds me of the days when I was working with medium format film or large format film. I simply cropped to the final output size to my kinking and never thought of the film grain or solution - there was always enough headroom for any kind of crop.

We're back to these times with the 60 MP of the A7R IV - for me a huge difference to the A7R III / II.

Magnar W said:

jhunna said:

Actually a lot of things to like about this camera as a video cam. For you photogs, would the extra performance of the 42MP sensor sway you to get this camera?

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For real world work there isn't that much difference between 24 and 42 Mp. Not enough to make a visible difference even for large format prints.

With 24 Mp lots of lens aberrations are visible, and with 42 Mp these lens flaws are a bit more visible. To double resolution from 24 Mp you need a 96 Mp sensor.

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I've tried both and greatly prefer 42MP for the creative freedom to crop in if you're presented with a situation where you're not carrying (or choose not to carry) a particular focal length that you desire.

A7C with 42MP sensor could have become the combo APS-C/FF camera I was hoping for. That could have been one body which can be effectively used with smaller crop lenses (when travelling) or FF otherwise. This would have ended the argument on which body format one should choose. Too bad...

The other showstopper for me is lack of 4k/60p but I know I am in minority perhaps.