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26=40mm Ricoh lens patent for GR hopefully

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Well, this is certainly super interesting!

P.S. Make a GR with a simple tilt screen, you cowards.
 
OMG exited, 40 is close enough to the 50 i wanted.

Bit strange portrait is 50, nobody makes a 40,

2.8 on apsc for a 40 is for me also ok, when and how much
 
Be still my heart 😍
 
42mm is a great focal length, and if they can keep the size the same as the current GR, it'd be awesome. I was just writing in the Sony forum about how one of the only drawbacks of the GR is the lack of ability to separate subject and background (though I do like the 28mm FL). 28/2.8 would allow for just enough of that to lend images some 'pop.'
 
cptrios said:
the only drawbacks of the GR is the lack of ability to separate subject and background
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One the things I've been enjoying in recent months.
 
cptrios said:
Tungsten Nordstein said:
cptrios said:
the only drawbacks of the GR is the lack of ability to separate subject and background
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One the things I've been enjoying in recent months.
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The large DOF?
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Yes, the flattening of space.
cptrios said:
It has plenty of serious benefits. Just a teeny bit of a double-edged sword, as is any lens/sensor combo.
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Yes. Of course for some the aps-c means even less dof and they miss the smaller 1/1.8” of the GRD series. I seem to get what I need from either, now I have the gr3. For any lens/combo we need to explore the qualities it affords and let that determine (or at least affect) our approach. An aesthetic emerges. I think I find fov more important than dof.

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Tungsten Nordstein said:
cptrios said:
Tungsten Nordstein said:
cptrios said:
the only drawbacks of the GR is the lack of ability to separate subject and background
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One the things I've been enjoying in recent months.
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The large DOF?
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Yes, the flattening of space.
Tungsten Nordstein said:
It has plenty of serious benefits. Just a teeny bit of a double-edged sword, as is any lens/sensor combo.
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Yes. Of course for some the aps-c means even less dof and they miss the smaller 1/1.8” of the GRD series. I seem to get what I need from either, now I have the gr3. For any lens/combo we need to explore the qualities it affords and let that determine (or at least affect) our approach. An aesthetic emerges. I think I find fov more important than dof.
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shallow dof is most important for those who cannot compose (figure out how to place things properly within a specific frame)

also: wide angle and shallow dof is a bizarre combination to ask for.

and finally: those that raise their hopes for a new camera over this patent is either a hopeless optimist or clueless about the road from patent to camera.
 
rondom said:
Tungsten Nordstein said:
cptrios said:
Tungsten Nordstein said:
cptrios said:
the only drawbacks of the GR is the lack of ability to separate subject and background
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One the things I've been enjoying in recent months.
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The large DOF?
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Yes, the flattening of space.
rondom said:
It has plenty of serious benefits. Just a teeny bit of a double-edged sword, as is any lens/sensor combo.
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Yes. Of course for some the aps-c means even less dof and they miss the smaller 1/1.8” of the GRD series. I seem to get what I need from either, now I have the gr3. For any lens/combo we need to explore the qualities it affords and let that determine (or at least affect) our approach. An aesthetic emerges. I think I find fov more important than dof.
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shallow dof is most important for those who cannot compose (figure out how to place things properly within a specific frame)
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A controversial thought there :)
rondom said:
also: wide angle and shallow dof is a bizarre combination to ask for.
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'We want it and we want it now.' Physics, damn you!
rondom said:
and finally: those that raise their hopes for a new camera over this patent is either a hopeless optimist or clueless about the road from patent to camera.
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Probably the former.

The other problem is how big this fantasy 40mm GR will be. No one here has ever quite solved that conundrum.
 
rondom said:
Tungsten Nordstein said:
cptrios said:
Tungsten Nordstein said:
cptrios said:
the only drawbacks of the GR is the lack of ability to separate subject and background
Click to expand...
One the things I've been enjoying in recent months.
Click to expand...
The large DOF?
Click to expand...
Yes, the flattening of space.
rondom said:
It has plenty of serious benefits. Just a teeny bit of a double-edged sword, as is any lens/sensor combo.
Click to expand...
Yes. Of course for some the aps-c means even less dof and they miss the smaller 1/1.8” of the GRD series. I seem to get what I need from either, now I have the gr3. For any lens/combo we need to explore the qualities it affords and let that determine (or at least affect) our approach. An aesthetic emerges. I think I find fov more important than dof.
Click to expand...
shallow dof is most important for those who cannot compose (figure out how to place things properly within a specific frame)

also: wide angle and shallow dof is a bizarre combination to ask for.

and finally: those that raise their hopes for a new camera over this patent is either a hopeless optimist or clueless about the road from patent to camera.
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Oh I don't want wide angle and shallow DoF. I love my GR to death, and the deep DoF is a part of that. When I talk about "pop," I don't mean obliterating the background a la a 50/0.95 on FF, I mean getting it just defocused enough that you can still completely recognize it while providing in interesting distinction from your foreground subject. A 28/2.8 on APS-C would be able to pull that off but still be short enough where you wouldn't have to stop it down extremely to do the opposite.

Having said that, if I could only have one, I'd still go with the 18.3/2.8. The above is more of an "it'd be nice" thing.
 
GR is the body. If you lose the value of the small body, it will lose its value even if we put the best lenses on it. Keep the body small and put whatever lenses you want on it.GRiii is the king of street photography. please Ricoh don't change the concept. don't lose what you're doing well.
 
zakaria said:
GR is the body. If you lose the value of the small body, it will lose its value even if we put the best lenses on it. Keep the body small and put whatever lenses you want on it.GRiii is the king of street photography. please Ricoh don't change the concept. don't lose what you're doing well.
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A family of small bodies each with optimized compact lenses is also better than bolting on large teleconverters like Ricoh's 21 or Fuji's 28 and 50. The ideal scenario is Ricoh takes the GRIII body and sells concurrently 21,28 and 40mm variants. Beyond 40mm, an EVF really becomes essential to see the detail, which would deviate from the current ethos.
 
A 40mm fov ricoh gr3 may replace my dp2q.
 
BG_CX3_DPREVIEW said:
OMG exited, 40 is close enough to the 50 i wanted.

Bit strange portrait is 50, nobody makes a 40,
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what are you talking about . the 40mm has been a VERY popular focal length for decades . Back in the film day , 40mm was the second most popular focal length for compact film cameras after the 35mm along with 50mm

For street photography I consider 40mm to be the best focal length

Harold
BG_CX3_DPREVIEW said:
2.8 on apsc for a 40 is for me also ok, when and how much
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zakaria said:
GR is the body. If you lose the value of the small body, it will lose its value even if we put the best lenses on it. Keep the body small and put whatever lenses you want on it.GRiii is the king of street photography.
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I disagree. I think for street photography the GRII is superior to the GRIII
zakaria said:
please Ricoh don't change the concept. don't lose what you're doing well.
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They already did imo with the new model

Harold
 
sae1lin2aug3 said:
Tungsten Nordstein said:
Headforthehills said:
A second GR with a 40mm view is something I’ve wanted for a long time.

https://pentaxrumors.com/2020/09/10...tent-for-a-compact-camera-new-ricoh-gr-maybe/
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Thanks for the heads-up.

So, two lenses:

23.42 is 35mm (equiv)

25.99 is 39mm (equiv)]

They seem very close to each other in focal length. A camera with one of these would make a few Ricoh users very happy.
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I hope it will not be put on the GR 111 body.
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You and me both. I would gladly pay double the price of the GRII to get a GRII with a 40mm equivalent focal length ;-)

But even if they come with a 40mm for equivalent , I think Ricoh sadly will continue with the downgrading of the cameras controls :-(

Harold
 
Harold66 said:
zakaria said:
GR is the body. If you lose the value of the small body, it will lose its value even if we put the best lenses on it. Keep the body small and put whatever lenses you want on it.GRiii is the king of street photography.
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I disagree. I think for street photography the GRII is superior to the GRIII.
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As someone considering moving from a GR to a GR III at some point...may I ask why?
 
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