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In a bored moment I was looking back through the reviews on this site and came across the Canon Powershot Pro 70 1.5 megapixel camera. I noticed that it had a FOUR COLOUR CCD just like the new 828.

Seems Sony's RGBE is hype as its nothing new it would seem. If there are great advantages, why did Canon dump the 4 colour CCD?

Check out the old review at;

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canonpro70/page7.asp

It even looks like the latest Sony's :-)
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SJN,

I noticed that you have lots of interest with the upcoming F828. Are you planning on buying an F828 to compliment your 10D. You know those two would make a great combination.

The F828 would be able to take pictures not possible with your 10D, and vice versa. I wish I had enough money to buy both. Good luck with your decision.

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John
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The 828 is smaller, will focus in the dark, has nightshot and a few other goodies. I have a potential buyer for my G5, just wondering what I should offer it to him for. If I get rid of it, I'll get a 828 unless it has major problems.

All this competition will benefit everybody, lower prices and better firmware even if it means slight delays.
johnrweb said:
SJN,

I noticed that you have lots of interest with the upcoming F828.
Are you planning on buying an F828 to compliment your 10D. You
know those two would make a great combination.

The F828 would be able to take pictures not possible with your 10D,
and vice versa. I wish I had enough money to buy both. Good luck
with your decision.

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John
http://www.pbase.com/johnrweb/ A PBase Supporter
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Most users assume that all cams are RGB, 3 colours. Sony presented this as a 4 colour array as if it was a cutting edge development. All they have done is copied what has gone before and adjusted the wavelength to which the 4th array is responsive.
Shay Stephens said:
That's like saying New Coke was the same as Classic Coke because
all they did was change the flavor. The "Emerald" color of the
RGBE sensor is new. Unless you knaow of another camera that uses
RGBE.

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Shay
http://www.shaystephens.com/portfolio.asp

'Cameras are not artists, photographers are.'
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That is the heart of innovation, and the steps of progress.
SJN2003 said:
Shay Stephens said:
That's like saying New Coke was the same as Classic Coke because
all they did was change the flavor. The "Emerald" color of the
RGBE sensor is new. Unless you knaow of another camera that uses
RGBE.

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Shay
http://www.shaystephens.com/portfolio.asp

'Cameras are not artists, photographers are.'
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Shay
http://www.shaystephens.com/portfolio.asp

'Cameras are not artists, photographers are.'
 
Bahahahahahahahahah!!!©

Dude, c'mon man. :-)

Sony developed that CCD, sold it to Canon, and the camera still produced color that wasn't as accurate as it ought to have been.

The latest technology is still built and designed by Sony, and this time improved over the older stuff to date.

Are you just chasing after windmills? :-)
SJN2003 said:
In a bored moment I was looking back through the reviews on this
site and came across the Canon Powershot Pro 70 1.5 megapixel
camera. I noticed that it had a FOUR COLOUR CCD just like the new
828.

Seems Sony's RGBE is hype as its nothing new it would seem. If
there are great advantages, why did Canon dump the 4 colour CCD?

Check out the old review at;

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canonpro70/page7.asp

It even looks like the latest Sony's :-)
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Ulysses
 
Perhaps he doesnt realize Sony makes most of/all of Canon's Sensors.. :p

Sony isnt 5 years behind Canon tech, Canon Tech is MADE POSSIBLE by Sony...lmao...go to the canon forums or something...
Ulysses said:
Dude, c'mon man. :-)

Sony developed that CCD, sold it to Canon, and the camera still
produced color that wasn't as accurate as it ought to have been.

The latest technology is still built and designed by Sony, and this
time improved over the older stuff to date.

Are you just chasing after windmills? :-)
SJN2003 said:
In a bored moment I was looking back through the reviews on this
site and came across the Canon Powershot Pro 70 1.5 megapixel
camera. I noticed that it had a FOUR COLOUR CCD just like the new
828.

Seems Sony's RGBE is hype as its nothing new it would seem. If
there are great advantages, why did Canon dump the 4 colour CCD?

Check out the old review at;

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canonpro70/page7.asp

It even looks like the latest Sony's :-)
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http://www.pbase.com/sjn2003
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Ulysses
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CMYG has been around for a long time. In fact, Sony offers many of their sensors in CMYG format and has done so for as long as I've been reading Sony sensor specs:

http://www.sony.net/Products/SC-HP/pro/image_senser/frame_readout.html

Scroll down the list and you'll see versions offered in "primary color mosaic" or "complementary color mosaic." The latter are CMYG.

The novelty in RGBE is the choice of the "emerald" color in addition to RGB. This choice seems to guided by a desire to sample a specific part of the power spectrum where our cones respond in a manner that is different from that of standard color filters.

To be honest, after looking at the area of the spectrum where our eyes have the so-called negative red response, it's not obvious that using emeral is any better than using Cyan. The main benefit of emerald may be that it's close enough to green that both the emerald pixels and green pixels can be viewed as luminance detectors. If they had used Cyan, they might have this luxury.

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Ron Parr
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Ulysses said:
Bahahahahahahahahah!!!©

Dude, c'mon man. :-)

Sony developed that CCD, sold it to Canon, and the camera still
produced color that wasn't as accurate as it ought to have been.

The latest technology is still built and designed by Sony, and this
time improved over the older stuff to date.

Are you just chasing after windmills? :-)
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Does Sony make the big CMOS sensors used in the DR, 10D and 1DS?? I was under the impression that Canon made those.............
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Bauerman
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They'd better make a red derivative (magnetta/orange/carmine/purple/vermillion?) instead of a green one. It's obvious that greens are fine on all the images made by F717, but reds are not, sometimes.
Ron Parr said:
The novelty in RGBE is the choice of the "emerald" color in
addition to RGB. This choice seems to guided by a desire to sample
a specific part of the power spectrum where our cones respond in a
manner that is different from that of standard color filters.

To be honest, after looking at the area of the spectrum where our
eyes have the so-called negative red response, it's not obvious
that using emeral is any better than using Cyan. The main benefit
of emerald may be that it's close enough to green that both the
emerald pixels and green pixels can be viewed as luminance
detectors. If they had used Cyan, they might have this luxury.
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bauerman said:
Does Sony make the big CMOS sensors used in the DR, 10D and 1DS??
I was under the impression that Canon made those.............
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Sorry, but he's talking about the Pro 70 specifically and its sensor and CFA. The CMOS sensors are out of context for his purpose. :-)

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Ulysses
 
Are you just trying to get attention. We've all seem your Canon eletist posts over the past week. Enough with it!
SJN2003 said:
In a bored moment I was looking back through the reviews on this
site and came across the Canon Powershot Pro 70 1.5 megapixel
camera. I noticed that it had a FOUR COLOUR CCD just like the new
828.

Seems Sony's RGBE is hype as its nothing new it would seem. If
there are great advantages, why did Canon dump the 4 colour CCD?

Check out the old review at;

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canonpro70/page7.asp

It even looks like the latest Sony's :-)
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http://www.pbase.com/sjn2003
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:) Past week, try the past two months.

Richard_
Jogger said:
SJN2003 said:
In a bored moment I was looking back through the reviews on this
site and came across the Canon Powershot Pro 70 1.5 megapixel
camera. I noticed that it had a FOUR COLOUR CCD just like the new
828.

Seems Sony's RGBE is hype as its nothing new it would seem. If
there are great advantages, why did Canon dump the 4 colour CCD?

Check out the old review at;

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canonpro70/page7.asp

It even looks like the latest Sony's :-)
--
http://www.pbase.com/sjn2003
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SJN2003 said:
In a bored moment I was looking back through the reviews on this
site and came across the Canon Powershot Pro 70 1.5 megapixel
camera. I noticed that it had a FOUR COLOUR CCD just like the new
828.

Seems Sony's RGBE is hype as its nothing new it would seem. If
there are great advantages, why did Canon dump the 4 colour CCD?

Check out the old review at;

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canonpro70/page7.asp

It even looks like the latest Sony's :-)
--
http://www.pbase.com/sjn2003
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Greg Gebhardt in
Jacksonville, Florida
 
... before they know if its good.

They made the D60. Then they made the D10. Then they discovered that their brand new camera wasn't able to focus under akwardly easy lightning situations. Test it, make sure it stands up to what you are stating that the product is supposed to do, and then put it out into the market. Wtf is the G5 about. The G4 is better. It seems almost by accident that it is so.

The sony lineup of cameras are mostly good. The king of the line 717 has been and it seems, will keep beeing one of the top-of-the-line cameras with a long zoom and good resolution. I doubt that the upgrade, 828, will be a poorer camera, as the G5 was to the G4.

As far as ccd colour is concerned, i couldn't care less. If you use technology without knowing the full effects of it, it probably won't do you any good at all. Know the technology you are using, -before using it.

If anybody knows anything about CCD colours, it isn't you, it isn't anyone ealse on this forum, -it's probably the guys at Sony, who are putting together somthing like 80% of all the CCDs produced every year.

johanG.
 
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