? about tripods

I don't have experence with many different types of tripods however I choose a 'Slick 9000' tripod after having seen it at a friend's. Its folded length is 23 inches and extended length is 59.5 inches (1500mm - 590mm) Its a very well built and light - 3Lbs 8oz (1.6 kg)
And its only $50. Will
I wanted to know what tripod is best for the S2. I don't know
anything about them but what I do know is they have table top ones
and longer ones. Is it posible to get one that folds down to table
size and is tall as well? Thanks in advance...Melissa
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Hi Melissa:

Please see this Thom Hogan article:

http://www.bythom.com/support.htm

It has been linked many, many times in this and other DPReview.com forums. To be honest, I have not yet made the investment in a premium quality tripod, but I have made that my next purchase. Even with a new $1600+ 70-200 2.8 VR Nikon, a good tripod will still make the difference in being able to capture shots perfectly at 200mm versus unacceptable results. Of course, on my non-VR lenses, the difference is crucial even at much shorter focal lengths. The good tripods will collapse down to just a few inches above the floor.

Hope this helps, but I realize that to do this purchase right it may cost quite a bit more than you were anticipating.

Matt
I wanted to know what tripod is best for the S2. I don't know
anything about them but what I do know is they have table top ones
and longer ones. Is it posible to get one that folds down to table
size and is tall as well? Thanks in advance...Melissa
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I like the 50.00 one. I don't want to spend alot on a tripod. I just wanted something sturdy, light and inexpensive...Melissa
Please see this Thom Hogan article:

http://www.bythom.com/support.htm

It has been linked many, many times in this and other DPReview.com
forums. To be honest, I have not yet made the investment in a
premium quality tripod, but I have made that my next purchase.
Even with a new $1600+ 70-200 2.8 VR Nikon, a good tripod will
still make the difference in being able to capture shots perfectly
at 200mm versus unacceptable results. Of course, on my non-VR
lenses, the difference is crucial even at much shorter focal
lengths. The good tripods will collapse down to just a few inches
above the floor.

Hope this helps, but I realize that to do this purchase right it
may cost quite a bit more than you were anticipating.

Matt
I wanted to know what tripod is best for the S2. I don't know
anything about them but what I do know is they have table top ones
and longer ones. Is it posible to get one that folds down to table
size and is tall as well? Thanks in advance...Melissa
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I like the 50.00 one. I don't want to spend alot on a tripod. I
just wanted something sturdy, light and inexpensive...Melissa
Melissa,

READ THE ARTICLE! It's one of the best pieces of advice ever to be posted in a photography forum.

$50 will NOT get you a $50 tripod. If you spend $50 on something that's called a tripod, you simply will have thrown away $50 and aquired a piece of equipment that will do nothing usefull for you. It is impossible to get any tripod for less than $200. If you don't want to spend that much, don't spend anything. Keep your money in your pocket.

But for $200 you can get a magnificent, light Gitzo (the ONLY name to know in tripods) 2220 Explorer. Gitzos get bigger, heavier and more expensive from there. They are worth every penny. They will last longer than you will. They are a delight to use. You will never regret spending what they cost.

A tripod is an essential piece of photographic gear and will do more to increase the technical quality of your images than any lens you ever buy. There are many photographers who do 98% (yes 98%) of their photography on a tripod.

VL
 
Hi Venicia,

I have one more question and I know that I can ask at a store but I will ask away anyway. Is there a certain size that the hole in the bottom of the Fuji S2 works on? Or are they standard size.

I will check around for the best price on a Gitzo...Thanks...Melissa
I like the 50.00 one. I don't want to spend alot on a tripod. I
just wanted something sturdy, light and inexpensive...Melissa
Melissa,

READ THE ARTICLE! It's one of the best pieces of advice ever to be
posted in a photography forum.

$50 will NOT get you a $50 tripod. If you spend $50 on something
that's called a tripod, you simply will have thrown away $50 and
aquired a piece of equipment that will do nothing usefull for you.
It is impossible to get any tripod for less than $200. If you don't
want to spend that much, don't spend anything. Keep your money in
your pocket.

But for $200 you can get a magnificent, light Gitzo (the ONLY name
to know in tripods) 2220 Explorer. Gitzos get bigger, heavier and
more expensive from there. They are worth every penny. They will
last longer than you will. They are a delight to use. You will
never regret spending what they cost.

A tripod is an essential piece of photographic gear and will do
more to increase the technical quality of your images than any lens
you ever buy. There are many photographers who do 98% (yes 98%) of
their photography on a tripod.

VL
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I have one more question and I know that I can ask at a store but I
will ask away anyway. Is there a certain size that the hole in the
bottom of the Fuji S2 works on? Or are they standard size.

I will check around for the best price on a Gitzo...Thanks...Melissa
Melissa,

The thread on the bottom of the S2 is a "standard" 1/4 inch tripod thread. There is a larger "standard" also - 3/8 inch for large format cameras.

You will not mount your camera directly on the tripod. You will need a tripod head which mounts on the tripod and accepts the camera. Quality tripods, are sold without heads and are often referred to simply as "legs."

Cheap "tripods" come with heads. Absolutely worthless.

There are many, many quality heads and photographers tend to get very passionate about their favorite ones. Then there is the subject of the style of "quick release" system you will want to use with the tripod head.

The article talks about these matters. You will get good advice from a camera store that caters to pros, but terrible advice from one that caters to fast film processing, and low-end digital cameras and such.

Yes, legs, heads, quick-release plates get to be a bit dear when you add it all up. Did anyone try to tell you that photgraphy is an inexpensive hobby?

VL
 
I like the 50.00 one. I don't want to spend alot on a tripod. I
just wanted something sturdy, light and inexpensive...Melissa
Melissa, those three terms are all mutually exclusive when you are talking about tripods.

With a $50 tripod, you are wasting money on the nice lenses you have. As to tripod heads, that makes the tripod and it's not unusual to spend more on the tripod head than on the legs.

I have a Gitzo G2220 and a Kirk BH1 head...when I got them, I was amazed at how crappy my old $50 tripod really was. My experience with the Fuji has been that you don't need a BH1 unless you're using some big lenses. A Kirk BH3 would work well, or if you're budget won't support a BH3, get a Gitzo G1276M. You can get a Gitzo G2220 and G1276M for under $400.

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You may want to consider a Bogen tripod, I have 3 one for each member of my family. Everyone has a different head on their tripod. It is solid and stable. You won't regret having a quality tripod. I know some forum member who has had his camera crash on a tripod. I don't think it crashed because of the quality of the pod but the point is I wouldn't trust a flimsy tripod with my S2 and my 80-400VR lens on it. Do the math that is almost $4000 sitting on a 50 dollar piece of equipment. A tripod you will only buy once. I would also ask you to consider getting a monopod which will add lightweight stability for your pics with added portability.

Tony
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Melissa

I have read you note and the replies.Purchase the best you can.I purchased cheap and ended up getting a new one.My original one felt as if it would not adequately support the S2. I ended up spending about £175 on a manfrotto and head.Yes the heads can be more than the legs.If you spend a little time looking and buy right at the right money you will not regret the cost.
best of luck
taff
I wanted to know what tripod is best for the S2. I don't know
anything about them but what I do know is they have table top ones
and longer ones. Is it posible to get one that folds down to table
size and is tall as well? Thanks in advance...Melissa
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READ THE ARTICLE! It's one of the best pieces of advice ever to be
posted in a photography forum.
Unlike your post, which is extremely biased towards your own equipment.

Come to think of it, have you read the article yourself? It says:

=====
...here's what I recommend for the kind of nature shooting I do...

A Gitzo carbon fiber tripod (US$400-$800)...
=====

However the tripod you are recommending (and owned yourself a month ago) is only a $200 model. Surely that's a bit cheap, and rather goes against the advice in the article? ;-) Why are you so strongly recommending that someone follows the article's advice, when you haven't?

It's a rhetorical question I guess, since you clearly explained on 7/9 Sep 2003 why you didn't get one of the more expensive CF Explorers (the G2227 at $454 or the G2228 at $520, which are both nicely in the $400-$800 price range suggested by the article):

===============
The smallest
Gitzo is my most recent - the 2220 is marvelous and I've find
myself taking it everywhere. It's the aluminum version of the 2228
which is carbon fiber and was a little too expensive for me.
===============

and

===============

I am very happy with the aluminum model. I can't justify the higher price for myself
===============

So let's get this right - the article you so strongly suggest that Melissa reads and follows, recommends a $400-$800 carbon fibre tripod, yet you buy a $200 aluminium model. And the reason for this is that you can't "justify the higher price" of the CF model, which presumably is another way of saying you can't afford it. What makes you think that Melissa can justify a $400-$800 carbon fibre tripod?
$50 will NOT get you a $50 tripod. If you spend $50 on something
that's called a tripod, you simply will have thrown away $50 and
aquired a piece of equipment that will do nothing usefull for you.
It is impossible to get any tripod for less than $200.
Ah yes, there's that magic $200 figure. Conveniently the price of your Gitzo 2220. So anything even slightly less expensive than your tripod is "impossible to get" - ie they're rubbish.

Like the Gitzo G1001 at $149.95 perhaps? Or even the G1026, at $199.95? Well, they're less than $200 at B&H and Adorama, and since you are being so dogmatic about cost, I guess we'll have to rule them out. A pity, because you've told us that "Gitzo's are "the ONLY name to know in tripods"". How could they lower themselves to produce such cheap tripods? ;-(
But for $200 you can get a magnificent, light Gitzo (the ONLY name
to know in tripods) 2220 Explorer.
Yep, there it is - your tripod. Anything "lesser" than what you have is a pile of sticks. And therefore all Bogen/Manfrotto carbon fibre tripods, like the 3444/440 Carbon One at $462 (over twice as expensive as your tripod), must also be piles of sticks.

Since Gitzo's are "the ONLY name to know in tripods", I presume that you'd look down your nose at Hakuba too?

Oh, wait a minute - you did read the article, didn't you? Just wondering, because this article, which you are holding up as "one of the best pieces of advice ever to be posted in a photography forum" goes on to say...

===========

If you need a less expensive solution and know you won't be shooting with lenses over two pounds (basically under 300mm), there's another solution I can recommend that gets you almost everything the other does:

Hakuba HG-6230C or HG-6240C carbon fiber tripod (US$275-290).
==========

So the way I read it, the Hakuba carbon fibre tripod is recommended above your Gitzo 2220 aluminium. Surely it can't be that a Hakuba is "better" than a Gitzo?
Gitzos get bigger, heavier and
more expensive from there.
I always thought that the idea of the more expensive carbon fibre was that it was lighter, not heavier? Less prone to vibration too, or so I hear.
They are worth every penny. They will
last longer than you will. They are a delight to use. You will
never regret spending what they cost.
So why didn't you get the Gitzo carbon fibre Explorer? I know you said you couldn't afford it, but surely you'd "never regret spending what they cost"...?
A tripod is an essential piece of photographic gear and will do
more to increase the technical quality of your images than any lens
you ever buy.
So a Gitzo tripod (and which must not be less than $200) will do more to increase the technical quality of your images than putting a $50 lens on the S2? OK, got it. Just wanted to be clear, that's all.
There are many photographers who do 98% (yes 98%) of
their photography on a tripod.
So? There are photographers who do 98% (yes 98%) of their photography without a tripod.

By now (or even earlier!), you may be thinking "what's his beef?" or other uncharitable thoughts. My beef is when people:
  • Look down on others who can only afford cheaper equipment.
  • Do not realise that other people have different priorities in life than they do themselves, and that these priorities do not include buying $600 tripods, $400 heads, and $2000 lenses.
  • Make others feel inferior because they can't afford all these expensive cameras, lenses, tripods, ball heads and so on.
  • Say things like "you've just spent $2000 on a camera, so why try to save money on a cheap lens/tripod/head?", not understanding that they're often trying to save money because they've gone and spent $2000 on a camera.
  • Make dogmatic, untrue and misleading remarks like "It is impossible to get any tripod for less than $200", "Gitzo (the ONLY name to know in tripods)", "Carbon fibre tripods are the only ones worth buying", "Sigma lenses are junk" and so on.
  • Regard the equipment that they own as the perfect solution to everyone else's problems.
Forrest
 
Mr. Anderson,

My goodness! Sit down a bit. PLEASE. I fear with that vein throbbing on your forehead that you are about to have a stroke!

Did I miss something in the thread? When did it segue into religion?

I think the article contains sound advice about tripods. When it was written, however, the Gitzo 2220 did not exist. My lowest priced Gitzo before the 2220 was $325 and it was a Studex which I purchased well-used. I believe there is no tripod made below ABOUT $200 that is worth buying. The 2220 is ABOUT $US 200. In fact it is $220 right now at several sources. If you can name one other tripod of any brand under ABOUT $200 that is worth the money, I would be glad to listen. I know of none. That's my story and I'm sticking with it.

My recommendation of a $200 tripod is in no way inconsistent with my agreement with the article. Nit pick as you may. The article recommends several carbon fibre models. Such tripods offer no advantage over their aluminium cousins other than lighter weight. That's a luxury, not a necessity, and in the case of small, very lightweight models can be a liability. The carbon fibre counterpart of the 2220 made no sense to me economically or mechanically. I am delighted with the 2220.

I make absolutely no apology about my regard for Gitzos. I also have a rather large Manfrotto studio model that I use all the time. But it achieves its purpose by crude design techniques compared to any of my Gitzos or any Gitzo. BTW, have you ever used one? Or examined one? The 2220 class is unusual even to the Gitzo line.

Spending $200 on a piece of equipment that performs, lasts and delights is infinitely less expensive than spending less, multiple times on a progression of cheap frauds.

Now, if you had puffed yourself up about something REALLY important, I might understand your anger. But's its degree is so far out of proportion to this discussion as to be laughable. Go sit in the corner until you have decided to play nicely.

VL
 
Hi Melissa,

You've gotten a lot of advice already towards the specific brands of tripods so I won't elaborate any further on that.

In my opinion a 50$ tripod can do it's job.

It is just that a more expensive tripod will save more of your pictures in difficult situations (long exposures, action, out of the ordinary framing of the picture).

I started out with a 70$ tripod with a build-in plastic head myself and it has proved light, compact, and useful in a lot of situations.

I even brought it with me to Greece this summer because I knew there would be strong light and that I wouldn't need heavy lenses (the biggest lens I brought was my 400mm/5.6).

I think tripods are like every other type of technical equipment however - a fairly small extra cost in the low end will give you much more whereas in the expensive end it will cost you major $$$ to get significantly better quality.

To sum up all my ramblings: if 50$ is what you want to spend on the tripod then buy a 50$ tripod but be aware that you will probably want to upgrade some time in the future.

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Best regards
Lars S. Madsen
http://www.naturephotography.dk
I wanted to know what tripod is best for the S2. I don't know
anything about them but what I do know is they have table top ones
and longer ones. Is it posible to get one that folds down to table
size and is tall as well? Thanks in advance...Melissa
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get a cheap one first .. my cheapo is now
serving me as a lightstand outdoors for my metz
flash off camera and does well as such .. I also
use it as tripod when I travel very very light ..

I also have a very heavy studio tripod (Manfrotto)
which always sits on the dolly. Manfrotto is
MUCH better because they have the lever locks ..
hate the twisties in the studio .. anyway hate the
twisties altogether ...

the middle of the road outdoors is a tripod which can
eventually carry a Wimberley head well or at least
a sidekick ... the Hakuba are ok for the money
I personally find Gitzo overpriced and as I said I dont
like the twisties ...

It's pain :)) go cheap first and practise and then
you will have learned what to look for

have fun
gmd
You've gotten a lot of advice already towards the specific brands
of tripods so I won't elaborate any further on that.

In my opinion a 50$ tripod can do it's job.
It is just that a more expensive tripod will save more of your
pictures in difficult situations (long exposures, action, out of
the ordinary framing of the picture).

I started out with a 70$ tripod with a build-in plastic head myself
and it has proved light, compact, and useful in a lot of situations.
I even brought it with me to Greece this summer because I knew
there would be strong light and that I wouldn't need heavy lenses
(the biggest lens I brought was my 400mm/5.6).

I think tripods are like every other type of technical equipment
however - a fairly small extra cost in the low end will give you
much more whereas in the expensive end it will cost you major $$$
to get significantly better quality.

To sum up all my ramblings: if 50$ is what you want to spend on the
tripod then buy a 50$ tripod but be aware that you will probably
want to upgrade some time in the future.

--
Best regards
Lars S. Madsen
http://www.naturephotography.dk
I wanted to know what tripod is best for the S2. I don't know
anything about them but what I do know is they have table top ones
and longer ones. Is it posible to get one that folds down to table
size and is tall as well? Thanks in advance...Melissa
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Hi there! You'll be glad(?) to know I'm still alive, and no blood vessels have yet been burst! As to me not "playing nicely" on the forum, I assert that it is yourself who is being the bully - bullying other people into buying a Gitzo!

Actually, I like the 2220 very much indeed, and hopefully I should be buying one shortly. Like you, I reckon it's a very good quality tripod, with some very nice features - infinitely adjustable spread on the legs, a column which angles through 180 degrees vertically, and not too heavy. You could say that it suits my purpose down to the ground (literally!).

Personally, I prefer the Gitzo leg locking screws to the flip-locks of the Manfrotto/Bogen tripods, but I know that some people prefer the Manfrotto/Bogen flip-locks, in the same way that others prefer pan & tilt heads to ball heads.

I even prefer the aluminium 2220 to its carbon fibre siblings, because the legs of the aluminium model are grooved to stop them rotating when you turn the locking screw, whereas you have to tighten the legs of the CF models in a certain order. Even if the CF and aluminium Explorers were the same price, I think I might buy the aluminium model because of this feature.

No, what I took issue with was your dogmatic attitude that anything but a Gitzo tripod was rubbish and not worth wasting money on, in the same way that many people say that anything but a Nikon lens is rubbish.

If you'd said something like "I'd highly recommend the Gitzo 2220 Explorer, which combines many useful features with excellent quality and a reasonable price, and is in my opinion one of the best tripods around", then I'd have no argument whatsoever. Neither would I have had a beef if you'd said "Of course, it's a well-known fact that Gitzo is the only type of tripod worth looking at ;-)", and included a winking smiley to bring a bit of humour into your post.

But instead of either of these approaches you started off by shouting to a beginner "READ THE ARTICLE!", and then roundly condemning in no uncertain manner all tripod makes other than your own, or cheaper than your own. You did this whilst ignoring the fact that your tripod didn't meet the recommendations in the very same article that you were shouting at Melissa to read.

By all means encourage others to buy the kit you like, but don't disparage them or put them down if they don't.

Lastly, thank you for introducing the subject of religion, as it neatly sums up my feelings - don't let brand loyalty turn into a religion.

Regards

Forrest
 
I am grateful to Forrest for defending me. I know that the more you pay the better quality and like one of you pointed out, it is better to get a quality tripod when I have good lenses and camera. I am not a pro but trying to get the experience setting up a small studio in the house with some lighting and a tripod. My goal is to do portraits for say holidays. I want to be ready to do this for a small part time living by xmas 2004.I volunteered to use my kids as the subjects as well as my pets to practice until then. I know that I am a long way of to being a decent photographer but I am constantly reading and I just bought a book authored by John Hedgecoe called "New Book Of Photography" It is helpful and interesting.

I know that I will want a tripod that can hold at least 5 lbs because the 70-200 VR weighs around 3 lbs and the Fuji is around a pound or so.

I think today I am going to go to a local pro shop that sells new and used equipment and take a look at whan they have. Who knows maybe I will come across a good tripod or monopod for that matter, used with a great price and good quality.

Believe me I did not start a tripod post to have each other turn against one another. I just asked a simple question and it turned bad. I am sorry. Again thanks to everyone...Melissa
I also have a very heavy studio tripod (Manfrotto)
which always sits on the dolly. Manfrotto is
MUCH better because they have the lever locks ..
hate the twisties in the studio .. anyway hate the
twisties altogether ...

the middle of the road outdoors is a tripod which can
eventually carry a Wimberley head well or at least
a sidekick ... the Hakuba are ok for the money
I personally find Gitzo overpriced and as I said I dont
like the twisties ...

It's pain :)) go cheap first and practise and then
you will have learned what to look for

have fun
gmd
You've gotten a lot of advice already towards the specific brands
of tripods so I won't elaborate any further on that.

In my opinion a 50$ tripod can do it's job.
It is just that a more expensive tripod will save more of your
pictures in difficult situations (long exposures, action, out of
the ordinary framing of the picture).

I started out with a 70$ tripod with a build-in plastic head myself
and it has proved light, compact, and useful in a lot of situations.
I even brought it with me to Greece this summer because I knew
there would be strong light and that I wouldn't need heavy lenses
(the biggest lens I brought was my 400mm/5.6).

I think tripods are like every other type of technical equipment
however - a fairly small extra cost in the low end will give you
much more whereas in the expensive end it will cost you major $$$
to get significantly better quality.

To sum up all my ramblings: if 50$ is what you want to spend on the
tripod then buy a 50$ tripod but be aware that you will probably
want to upgrade some time in the future.

--
Best regards
Lars S. Madsen
http://www.naturephotography.dk
I wanted to know what tripod is best for the S2. I don't know
anything about them but what I do know is they have table top ones
and longer ones. Is it posible to get one that folds down to table
size and is tall as well? Thanks in advance...Melissa
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Hi there! You'll be glad(?) to know I'm still alive, and no blood
vessels have yet been burst! As to me not "playing nicely" on the
forum, I assert that it is yourself who is being the bully -
bullying other people into buying a Gitzo!

Actually, I like the 2220 very much indeed, and hopefully I
should be buying one shortly. Like you, I reckon it's a very good
quality tripod, with some very nice features - infinitely
adjustable spread on the legs, a column which angles through 180
degrees vertically, and not too heavy. You could say that it suits
my purpose down to the ground (literally!).

Personally, I prefer the Gitzo leg locking screws to the flip-locks
of the Manfrotto/Bogen tripods, but I know that some people prefer
the Manfrotto/Bogen flip-locks, in the same way that others prefer
pan & tilt heads to ball heads.

I even prefer the aluminium 2220 to its carbon fibre siblings,
because the legs of the aluminium model are grooved to stop them
rotating when you turn the locking screw, whereas you have to
tighten the legs of the CF models in a certain order. Even if the
CF and aluminium Explorers were the same price, I think I might buy
the aluminium model because of this feature.

No, what I took issue with was your dogmatic attitude that anything
but a Gitzo tripod was rubbish and not worth wasting money on, in
the same way that many people say that anything but a Nikon lens is
rubbish.

If you'd said something like "I'd highly recommend the Gitzo 2220
Explorer, which combines many useful features with excellent
quality and a reasonable price, and is in my opinion one of the
best tripods around", then I'd have no argument whatsoever. Neither
would I have had a beef if you'd said "Of course, it's a well-known
fact that Gitzo is the only type of tripod worth looking at ;-)",
and included a winking smiley to bring a bit of humour into your
post.

But instead of either of these approaches you started off by
shouting to a beginner "READ THE ARTICLE!", and then roundly
condemning in no uncertain manner all tripod makes other than your
own, or cheaper than your own. You did this whilst ignoring the
fact that your tripod didn't meet the recommendations in the very
same article that you were shouting at Melissa to read.

By all means encourage others to buy the kit you like, but don't
disparage them or put them down if they don't.

Lastly, thank you for introducing the subject of religion, as it
neatly sums up my feelings - don't let brand loyalty turn into a
religion.

Regards

Forrest
Mr. Anderson,

I do hope you get to take some time off soon to relax and calm down.

You are a dear to be so concerned that others here are shouting, frightening beginners, and disparaging, despite the complete absence of any such activity. But you can stop that. The forum is quite safe without your patrol efforts.

And for individuals like myself who eschew political correctness and who express opinions based on a lifetime of experience and training, without apologizing, sugar-coating or otherwise mitigating the delivery, you are simply tiresome.

In your own case, if it would help to give you repeated, gentle reassurance that you can grasp each small increment in your understanding of the technical issues that are inevitable in this field; if special attention must be taken to prevent any impairment of your self esteem as you are introduced to new information; if empowerment must be carefully nourished at the cost of any exposure to frightening reality; I'm sure that suitable therapy can be set up.

And I'm terribly sorry, but I just DON'T do emoticons. As unsettling as that is to your reading.

Excuse me now, won't you? My day is starting and I have to deal with the big, bad world. I certainly hope that none of my new interns are frightened by my expectations that they do their jobs as they are told. I DO expect them to learn from my (not too pedantic) instruction. But then, I guess I'm just old school.

VL
 
I appreciate you advice earlier but I think that you are antagonizing Forrest so just drop the subject. It is unfair that you attack him when he is posting his opinion just as you have. We are all supposed to be adults here so you need to stop acting like a child and move Venicia. Enough is said.

Forrester is right, I can only afford what I can afford. I put more money into my camera and lenses for great quality. As for an expensive tripods that can go as high as 700.00, I refuse to. I'd rather put it into another lens, Sigma 12-24 when it is released because again I can't afford Nikons version for 1200.00. Yes I bought the VR for 1 and half times that but it is a great lens and worth the money for VR. Now I am headed out the door to shop around for a tripod or monopod which ever one feels right for me...Melissa
Hi there! You'll be glad(?) to know I'm still alive, and no blood
vessels have yet been burst! As to me not "playing nicely" on the
forum, I assert that it is yourself who is being the bully -
bullying other people into buying a Gitzo!

Actually, I like the 2220 very much indeed, and hopefully I
should be buying one shortly. Like you, I reckon it's a very good
quality tripod, with some very nice features - infinitely
adjustable spread on the legs, a column which angles through 180
degrees vertically, and not too heavy. You could say that it suits
my purpose down to the ground (literally!).

Personally, I prefer the Gitzo leg locking screws to the flip-locks
of the Manfrotto/Bogen tripods, but I know that some people prefer
the Manfrotto/Bogen flip-locks, in the same way that others prefer
pan & tilt heads to ball heads.

I even prefer the aluminium 2220 to its carbon fibre siblings,
because the legs of the aluminium model are grooved to stop them
rotating when you turn the locking screw, whereas you have to
tighten the legs of the CF models in a certain order. Even if the
CF and aluminium Explorers were the same price, I think I might buy
the aluminium model because of this feature.

No, what I took issue with was your dogmatic attitude that anything
but a Gitzo tripod was rubbish and not worth wasting money on, in
the same way that many people say that anything but a Nikon lens is
rubbish.

If you'd said something like "I'd highly recommend the Gitzo 2220
Explorer, which combines many useful features with excellent
quality and a reasonable price, and is in my opinion one of the
best tripods around", then I'd have no argument whatsoever. Neither
would I have had a beef if you'd said "Of course, it's a well-known
fact that Gitzo is the only type of tripod worth looking at ;-)",
and included a winking smiley to bring a bit of humour into your
post.

But instead of either of these approaches you started off by
shouting to a beginner "READ THE ARTICLE!", and then roundly
condemning in no uncertain manner all tripod makes other than your
own, or cheaper than your own. You did this whilst ignoring the
fact that your tripod didn't meet the recommendations in the very
same article that you were shouting at Melissa to read.

By all means encourage others to buy the kit you like, but don't
disparage them or put them down if they don't.

Lastly, thank you for introducing the subject of religion, as it
neatly sums up my feelings - don't let brand loyalty turn into a
religion.

Regards

Forrest
Mr. Anderson,

I do hope you get to take some time off soon to relax and calm down.

You are a dear to be so concerned that others here are shouting,
frightening beginners, and disparaging, despite the complete
absence of any such activity. But you can stop that. The forum is
quite safe without your patrol efforts.

And for individuals like myself who eschew political correctness
and who express opinions based on a lifetime of experience and
training, without apologizing, sugar-coating or otherwise
mitigating the delivery, you are simply tiresome.

In your own case, if it would help to give you repeated, gentle
reassurance that you can grasp each small increment in your
understanding of the technical issues that are inevitable in this
field; if special attention must be taken to prevent any impairment
of your self esteem as you are introduced to new information; if
empowerment must be carefully nourished at the cost of any exposure
to frightening reality; I'm sure that suitable therapy can be set
up.

And I'm terribly sorry, but I just DON'T do emoticons. As
unsettling as that is to your reading.

Excuse me now, won't you? My day is starting and I have to deal
with the big, bad world. I certainly hope that none of my new
interns are frightened by my expectations that they do their jobs
as they are told. I DO expect them to learn from my (not too
pedantic) instruction. But then, I guess I'm just old school.

VL
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I appreciate you advice earlier but I think that you are
antagonizing Forrest so just drop the subject. It is unfair that
you attack him when he is posting his opinion just as you have. We
are all supposed to be adults here so you need to stop acting like
a child and move Venicia. Enough is said.

Forrester is right, I can only afford what I can afford. I put more
money into my camera and lenses for great quality. As for an
expensive tripods that can go as high as 700.00, I refuse to. I'd
rather put it into another lens, Sigma 12-24 when it is released
because again I can't afford Nikons version for 1200.00. Yes I
bought the VR for 1 and half times that but it is a great lens and
worth the money for VR. Now I am headed out the door to shop around
for a tripod or monopod which ever one feels right for me...Melissa
Good luck Melissa. Choose wisely. All the information you need has been offered.

Mr. Anderson,

Feel good, now?

VL
 

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