Don't feed the TROLLS!

Kevin Barrett · Oct 20, 2003

All,

I thought the Olympus SLR Talk forum was supposed to be a support forum of sorts for those that have Olympus SLRs or those in the market
for one.

It seems that if someone posts something like "Non_Olympus Camera Company is the best thing since sliced bread" or "You guys are idiots for even looking at Olympus" why wouldn't we ignore that?

Some are so lonely that the next best thing to having friends is having
enemies. At any cost, they'll post just to get a reaction. I know it's
tempting, but don't take the bait.

Or better yet... shower praise on the trolls.

TROLL: "My camera is better than yours!"

ANSWER: "I agree"

TROLL: "My camera makes me a better photographer"

ANSWER: "Indeed it does... You're the BEST!"

TROLL: "You're an Idiot for buying Olympus"

ANSWER: "Yes I am... Someone has to be the IDIOT, why
not me?"

TROLL: "The E1's High ISO Performance is less than XYZ"

ANSWER: "You're right... You made the wisest choice,
but it doesn't matter, because I'm totally incapabable of taking
pictures to begin with. I just like the E1, because it looks
cool in my hands."

L8r

--
Kevin Barrett
Lowell, MI
c5050z (looking fondly at the E1)

"A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still"

Babu Namibian · Oct 20, 2003

Kevin, you have some good ideas about how to deal with trolls. Well, I hope nobody perceives me as a troll even though I am a Nikon user. I LOVE Olympus. I have old Nikon film cameras at home, and at work they have a couple of old Nikon D1's and two D100's; but I CAN'T WAIT till I get my hands on the E-1. If I just had the money... (sigh) but one day...

Kevin Barrett said:
All,

I thought the Olympus SLR Talk forum was supposed to be a support
forum of sorts for those that have Olympus SLRs or those in the
market
for one.

It seems that if someone posts something like "Non_Olympus Camera
Company is the best thing since sliced bread" or "You guys are
idiots for even looking at Olympus" why wouldn't we ignore that?

Some are so lonely that the next best thing to having friends is
having
enemies. At any cost, they'll post just to get a reaction. I know it's
tempting, but don't take the bait.

Or better yet... shower praise on the trolls.

TROLL: "My camera is better than yours!"

ANSWER: "I agree"

TROLL: "My camera makes me a better photographer"

ANSWER: "Indeed it does... You're the BEST!"

TROLL: "You're an Idiot for buying Olympus"

ANSWER: "Yes I am... Someone has to be the IDIOT, why
not me?"

TROLL: "The E1's High ISO Performance is less than XYZ"

ANSWER: "You're right... You made the wisest choice,
but it doesn't matter, because I'm totally incapabable of taking
pictures to begin with. I just like the E1, because it looks
cool in my hands."

L8r

--
Kevin Barrett
Lowell, MI
c5050z (looking fondly at the E1)

"A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still"

rkn · Oct 21, 2003

having a nikon doesnt make you a troll. Having any camera or system does not make you a troll, Arvi. I wholeheartledly agree with Kevin. Personally, I would just ignore the trolls. Completely and totally. Do not post, do not reply. Do not even think about a reply. Eventually they will go away and bother someone else.

Arvi Finn said:
Kevin Barrett said:

All,

I thought the Olympus SLR Talk forum was supposed to be a support
forum of sorts for those that have Olympus SLRs or those in the
market
for one.

It seems that if someone posts something like "Non_Olympus Camera
Company is the best thing since sliced bread" or "You guys are
idiots for even looking at Olympus" why wouldn't we ignore that?

Some are so lonely that the next best thing to having friends is
having
enemies. At any cost, they'll post just to get a reaction. I know it's
tempting, but don't take the bait.

Or better yet... shower praise on the trolls.

TROLL: "My camera is better than yours!"

ANSWER: "I agree"

TROLL: "My camera makes me a better photographer"

ANSWER: "Indeed it does... You're the BEST!"

TROLL: "You're an Idiot for buying Olympus"

ANSWER: "Yes I am... Someone has to be the IDIOT, why
not me?"

TROLL: "The E1's High ISO Performance is less than XYZ"

ANSWER: "You're right... You made the wisest choice,
but it doesn't matter, because I'm totally incapabable of taking
pictures to begin with. I just like the E1, because it looks
cool in my hands."

L8r

--
Kevin Barrett
Lowell, MI
c5050z (looking fondly at the E1)

"A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still"

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Dimitrios · Oct 21, 2003

As Kevin stated, trolls are entirely unhappy creatures. I disagree with him only in the way we must handle them. No answers, no ironies against them. Most trolls feel happy if they receive a hostile response from you, regardless of the tone of this response. Just be silent. That is all what is needed to make them quit from trying to downgrade this forum (or any other forum, btw).

I understand that trolls can sometimes exhaust your patience and I fell into this trap occasionally. But it's always a mistake. Look at the number of replies that idiot attracted with this thread:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=6262802

and imagine how lonely and desperate he would feel if his thread would remain empty!

I check this forum from time to time, in order to get some "high end" knowledge about photogaphy. Flame wars with trolls is sometimes amusing but often buries all useful threads deeply in the unnoticed state. How sad.
--
Dimitrios
Olympus C-5050 & Minolta Dynax 7xi

Old Ashtonian · Oct 21, 2003

I took a look at his web site and assuming it's his then that makes him a professsional photographer and web developer so he knows what he's talking about to some extent.

However,I have read that there is no such thing as ISO with digital. These numbers are some sort of guide to comfort those that have come from film.

Each manufacturer will define their own values so comparisons don't really mean much.

Noise is part of the digital process. Different cameras have their own algorithms to remove noise so in essence it's a battle of algorithms rather than a battle of cameras. Since the result is a digital file then NeatImage or some other algorithm can be applied outside of the camera to clean up an image. The final image is what counts. It's a workflow thing after all with the camera a part of that workflow

Mr d100 has a point. I believe his posts are born out of frustration.
Still, weddings from $399 is a heck of a deal!

BJL · Oct 21, 2003

Just one thing to add to Kevin's plea: when the whole thread is an exercise in trolling (subject lines like "Brand X cameras don't even make good paperweights!"), replying just takes that subject line back to the top of the forum: silence lets such threads fall quickly off the top page. (If only I could follow my own advice here!)

Joseph S Wisniewski · Oct 22, 2003

Kevin Barrett said:
Kevin Barrett
Lowell, MI
c5050z (looking fondly at the E1)

Where's Lowell? We're over in the Detroit area (Farmington Hills, Detroit, Livonia, Bloomfield). Judy Roberts has just acquired what may be the first E-1 in Michigan, and she loves to show it off.

--
Ciao!

Joe

http://www.swissarmyfork.com

Joseph S Wisniewski · Oct 22, 2003

Arvi Finn said:
Kevin, you have some good ideas about how to deal with trolls.
Well, I hope nobody perceives me as a troll even though I am a
Nikon user. I LOVE Olympus. I have old Nikon film cameras at home,
and at work they have a couple of old Nikon D1's and two D100's;
but I CAN'T WAIT till I get my hands on the E-1. If I just had the
money... (sigh) but one day...

You'd have more money if you sold one or two of those D100s, and some Nikon lenses. Not that I'm in the market, or anything...

Just out of curiosity, what limitations are you running into with a pair of D100 bodies?

I haven't had enough time to really beat up the E-1 yet. I did some very quick experiments yesterday. Held a D100 to one eye and an E-1 to the other. The D100 finder is definitely a bit bigger. The E-1 is definitely a bit brighter with a lens of the same max aperture.

Side by side, the D100 autofocus is definitely faster than the E-1, and it doesn't hunt as much in low light.

I find the E-1 surorisingly quick and quiet. The coreless motors in the lenses don't seem to be that big a disadvantage over the piezo motors in Nikon or Canon lenses.

--
Ciao!

Joe

http://www.swissarmyfork.com

Joseph S Wisniewski · Oct 22, 2003

BJL said:
Just one thing to add to Kevin's plea: when the whole thread is an
exercise in trolling (subject lines like "Brand X cameras don't
even make good paperweights!"),

Hey! I happen to make paperweights. Beautiful paperweights. I've been blowing glass for 13 years now, and collecting paperweights for over 20 years, and have photographed hundreds of paperweights in some of the finest collections in the world.

So don't be bashing paperweights, or implying that they are anything to compare a "poor" camera to.

Remember, without glassmakers you wouldn't have any cameras. Without photographers, all we'd be missing is pictures of glass.

--
Ciao!

Joe

http://www.swissarmyfork.com

BJL · Oct 22, 2003

Joseph S. Wisniewski said:
BJL said:

Just one thing to add to Kevin's plea: when the whole thread is an
exercise in trolling (subject lines like "Brand X cameras don't
even make good paperweights!"),

Click to expand...

Hey! I happen to make paperweights. Beautiful paperweights.

Sorry, Joe: how about this clarification:
"Brand X cameras are too UGLY to even make good paperweights!"

P. S. while I have your attention: any response to my "flare control" hypothesis and question at
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=6423930

Babu Namibian · Oct 22, 2003

Joseph S. Wisniewski said:
You'd have more money if you sold one or two of those D100s, and
some Nikon lenses. Not that I'm in the market, or anything...

Just out of curiosity, what limitations are you running into with a
pair of D100 bodies?

Sorry, there's been a misunderstanding! The digital Nikons are owned by the newspaper where I work! I could sell them, yes, but then the police will be after me. I only have old MF Nikons at home and a Canon flatbed scanner that produces very good results out of my slides (see, I am not entirely prejudiced against Canon).

The E-1 appeals to me since it seems like a good travel camera. The lenses are smaller, I wouldn't need high ISO performance in the tropics with good sunlight, and the anti-dust function would help to keep the camera working in a hostile environment.

It might seem like a contradiction that out of the cameras at work, I would prefer the ole D1 over the D100. It's heavier, yes, but it just feels so solid. But if I had a D1, I wouldn't travel with it. I would stick a 50mm standard lens on it and then use it as a 75mm telephoto to take people pics. Maybe as digital cameras advance in technology, the D1 will come down in price too? Wishful thinking?

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