Who has switched from 18-55 to 16-80?

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I’m considering to get the 16-80mm f4. I currently have the 18-55mm and there is an abismal difference when comparing with primes.
Has anyone here switched from the 18-55 to the 16-80? If so, what are your impressions about the latest? Besides wider and more reach, Is it really worth the upgrade in regards to IQ?
 
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I’m considering to get the 16-80mm f4. I currently have the 18-55mm and there is an abismal difference when comparing with primes.
Has anyone here switched from the 18-55 to the 16-80? If so, what are your impressions about the latest? Besides wider and more reach, Is it really worth the upgrade in regards to IQ?
I did, but IQ was not one of my main reasons to "switch" (I still have XF 18-55mm, too, so not really switched - yet, but I didn`t use it since I got XF 16-80mm, except for some testing).

I can`t say I like my XF 18-55mm much, though I started appreciating it more as of lately... Sometimes I get shots where nothing is exactly in focus for reasons I can`t explain (other than some lens and/or camera focusing glitch), and...
The general consensus seems to be that there isn't a huge difference in IQ between the 16-80 and a good copy of the 18-55 in the overlapping focal ranges. In my specific case, my 16-80 IQ has been substantially better than my 18-55.

Whether it is worth the upgrade is an entirely personal decision.
 
You're going to have to go with the 16-55 f2.8 if you want to get prime-like IQ.
 
I’m considering to get the 16-80mm f4. I currently have the 18-55mm and there is an abismal difference when comparing with primes.
Has anyone here switched from the 18-55 to the 16-80? If so, what are your impressions about the latest? Besides wider and more reach, Is it really worth the upgrade in regards to IQ?
I did, but IQ was not one of my main reasons to "switch" (I still have XF 18-55mm, too, so not really switched - yet, but I didn`t use it since I got XF 16-80mm, except for some testing).

I can`t say I like my XF 18-55mm much, though I started appreciating it more as of lately... Sometimes I get shots where nothing is exactly in focus for reasons I can`t explain (other than some lens and/or camera focusing glitch), and I really think my copy is not that good, or at least not exquisite as some other might be (causing lens praises we all heard about) ... or my tolerance/expectation is just more strict/higher, not to say unreasonable?

Anyway, I did some extensive XF 18-55mm vs XF 16-80mm head-to-head brick wall shootout a while ago (hope to post results one day, time allowing), shooting both lenses at 16 - 18 - 35 - 55 - 80 mm (where applicable) and f/2.8 - f/4 - f/8 (again, where applicable), with focus point both at the center but top left edge as well (dealing with field curvature, if any), and overall, XF 16-80mm did came out as a better lens (well, at least concerning my copies of both), being what I hoped for, at least...

But it`s not really day-and-night difference for the most of the time - it was in certain occasions, but then XF 18-55mm came out better in some, too - all again leading to a conclusion that XF 18-55mm is really a capable lens, especially taking into account its size/weight and zoom/aperture it manages with it, and especially if you have a good (or better) copy.

I still have to compare RAW files and with lens corrections turned off, usually making XF 16-80mm even better (edges overall, and wide end in particular), but might be there will be improvement for XF 18-55mm, too - yet it really shouldn`t make that much of a difference for casual, every day shooting, where size/weight could, so that point is still very valid.

For my use case, major takeaways were 16mm wide end and weather resistance, also liking marked aperture ring and expectedly better image quality (even if just a bit), 80mm telephoto end and better image stabilization being just a bonus on top.

BUT, with XF 16-80mm attached, which is not really that larger than XF 18-55mm (in comparison to XF 18-135 and XF 16-55), the size/volume difference is noticeable enough (weight not that much), my X-T3 kind of feels (more) "serious" now (noticeable, attention grabbing, you name it). It`s still not nearly the same as Canon 5D Mark IV with one of its lenses, but it surely reminded me of it even if just a tiny bit, and it`s definitely not something I`m glad about.

That said, a few days ago I had an open-space top-of-the-mountain outing with X-T3 and XF 16-80mm for some 20 minutes under what I`d call "respectable" rain (not a heavy one, but not light, either), both completely uncovered (and mostly on a tripod, even), and I had no issues - nor worries - taking the pictures I wanted, which alone makes it worth it for me.
 
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I’m considering to get the 16-80mm f4. I currently have the 18-55mm and there is an abismal difference when comparing with primes.
Has anyone here switched from the 18-55 to the 16-80? If so, what are your impressions about the latest? Besides wider and more reach, Is it really worth the upgrade in regards to IQ?
I did, but IQ was not one of my main reasons to "switch" (I still have XF 18-55mm, too, so I can`t really say I switched, but I didn`t use it since I got XF 16-80mm, except for some testing).

I can`t say I like my XF 18-55mm much, though I started appreciating it more as of lately... Sometimes I get shots where nothing is exactly in focus for reasons I can`t explain (other than some lens and/or camera focusing glitch), and I really think my copy is not that good, or at least not exquisite as some other might be (causing lens praises we all heard about) ... or my tolerance/expectation is just more strict/higher, not to say unreasonable?

Anyway, I did some extensive XF 18-55mm vs XF 16-80mm head-to-head brick wall shootout a while ago (hope to post results one day, time allowing), shooting both lenses at 16 - 18 - 35 - 55 - 80 mm (where applicable) and f/2.8 - f/4 - f/8 (again, where applicable), with focus point both at the center but top left edge as well (dealing with field curvature, if any), and overall, XF 16-80mm did came out as a better lens (well, at least concerning my copies of both), being what I hoped for, at least...

But it`s not really day-and-night difference for the most of the time - it was in certain occasions, but then XF 18-55mm came out better in some, too - all again leading to a conclusion that XF 18-55mm is really a capable lens, especially taking into account its size/weight and zoom/aperture it manages with it, and especially if you have a good (or better) copy.

I still have to compare RAW files and with lens corrections turned off, usually making XF 16-80mm even better (edges overall, and wide end in particular), but might be there will be improvement for XF 18-55mm, too - yet it really shouldn`t make that much of a difference for casual, every day shooting, where size/weight could, so that point is still very valid.

For my use case, major takeaways were 16mm wide end and weather resistance, also liking marked aperture ring and expectedly better image quality (even if just a bit), 80mm telephoto end and better image stabilization being just a bonus on top.

BUT, with XF 16-80mm attached, which is not really that larger than XF 18-55mm (in comparison to XF 18-135 and XF 16-55), the size/volume difference is noticeable enough (weight not that much), my X-T3 kind of feels (more) "serious" now (noticeable, attention grabbing, you name it). It`s still not nearly the same as Canon 5D Mark IV with one of its lenses, but it surely reminded me of it even if just a tiny bit, and it`s definitely not something I`m glad about.

That said, a few days ago I had an outing with X-T3 and XF 16-80mm for some 20 minutes under what I`d call "respectable" rain (not a heavy one, but not light, either), both completely uncovered (and mostly on a tripod, even), and I had no issues - nor worries - taking the pictures I wanted, which alone makes it worth it for me.
I too have replaced my 18-55 with the 16-80. I find the IQ slightly better in general (and significantly better than my copy of the 18-135). As others have mentioned, you'd have to step up to the 16-55 to get significantly better.

BTW I too have found occasional shots with the 18-55 where nothing appears in focus (i've seen it also with the 15-45 as well). I'm convinced it's related to the OIS and shuttershock interaction. It seems to happen sometimes with moderate (ie 1/200s) shutter speeds regardless whether OIS is on or not. Use of EFC shutter made it go away i think. 16-80 had this problem initially.
 
I’m considering to get the 16-80mm f4. I currently have the 18-55mm and there is an abismal difference when comparing with primes.
Has anyone here switched from the 18-55 to the 16-80? If so, what are your impressions about the latest? Besides wider and more reach, Is it really worth the upgrade in regards to IQ?
I did, but IQ was not one of my main reasons to "switch" (I still have XF 18-55mm, too, so I can`t really say I switched, but I didn`t use it since I got XF 16-80mm, except for some testing).

I can`t say I like my XF 18-55mm much, though I started appreciating it more as of lately... Sometimes I get shots where nothing is exactly in focus for reasons I can`t explain (other than some lens and/or camera focusing glitch), and I really think my copy is not that good, or at least not exquisite as some other might be (causing lens praises we all heard about) ... or my tolerance/expectation is just more strict/higher, not to say unreasonable?

Anyway, I did some extensive XF 18-55mm vs XF 16-80mm head-to-head brick wall shootout a while ago (hope to post results one day, time allowing), shooting both lenses at 16 - 18 - 35 - 55 - 80 mm (where applicable) and f/2.8 - f/4 - f/8 (again, where applicable), with focus point both at the center but top left edge as well (dealing with field curvature, if any), and overall, XF 16-80mm did came out as a better lens (well, at least concerning my copies of both), being what I hoped for, at least...

But it`s not really day-and-night difference for the most of the time - it was in certain occasions, but then XF 18-55mm came out better in some, too - all again leading to a conclusion that XF 18-55mm is really a capable lens, especially taking into account its size/weight and zoom/aperture it manages with it, and especially if you have a good (or better) copy.

I still have to compare RAW files and with lens corrections turned off, usually making XF 16-80mm even better (edges overall, and wide end in particular), but might be there will be improvement for XF 18-55mm, too - yet it really shouldn`t make that much of a difference for casual, every day shooting, where size/weight could, so that point is still very valid.

For my use case, major takeaways were 16mm wide end and weather resistance, also liking marked aperture ring and expectedly better image quality (even if just a bit), 80mm telephoto end and better image stabilization being just a bonus on top.

BUT, with XF 16-80mm attached, which is not really that larger than XF 18-55mm (in comparison to XF 18-135 and XF 16-55), the size/volume difference is noticeable enough (weight not that much), my X-T3 kind of feels (more) "serious" now (noticeable, attention grabbing, you name it). It`s still not nearly the same as Canon 5D Mark IV with one of its lenses, but it surely reminded me of it even if just a tiny bit, and it`s definitely not something I`m glad about.

That said, a few days ago I had an outing with X-T3 and XF 16-80mm for some 20 minutes under what I`d call "respectable" rain (not a heavy one, but not light, either), both completely uncovered (and mostly on a tripod, even), and I had no issues - nor worries - taking the pictures I wanted, which alone makes it worth it for me.
I too have replaced my 18-55 with the 16-80. I find the IQ slightly better in general (and significantly better than my copy of the 18-135). As others have mentioned, you'd have to step up to the 16-55 to get significantly better.

BTW I too have found occasional shots with the 18-55 where nothing appears in focus (i've seen it also with the 15-45 as well). I'm convinced it's related to the OIS and shuttershock interaction. It seems to happen sometimes with moderate (ie 1/200s) shutter speeds regardless whether OIS is on or not. Use of EFC shutter made it go away i think. 16-80 had this problem initially.
This is exactly why I’m thinking to change the lens I used it for a portrait session and most (if not all) of the photos I took show a subpar image quality. Fortunately I switched to the 35mm f2, which saved the day and my reputation
 
At least my copy of the 16-80mm is very weak at 16mm. Even at f8 the outer 30% of the frame is soft (recognizable viewing full screen on a 30" 4k monitor). This was quite disappointing for me... At 80mm stopped down the sharpness is ok an even (enough) over the whole viewing field. In-between I get ok to good sharpness depending on the focal length when stoppped down 1-2 stops. I made no direct comparison to my 18-55mm, but my impressions is, that at certain focal length and apertures the 18-55mm would beat the 16-80mm. Flare resistance is also not a strength of the 16-80mm.

IMHO the 16-80mm is an underperformer, but I keep it, because I got weather sealing and more reach, what is a great thing when my kids are around and lens swapping is not a good idea... :)
 
I have both. I took the 16 to 80 to the Grand Canyon back in December and took several shots I really like at 16 mm. I was a F7.1 and all four corners appear very acceptably sharp to me on a 24 x 16 print. I posted about it elsewhere. I’ve also somewhat systematically tested the lens on a tripod under controlled circumstances and concluded that stopped down beyond F 5.6 it performs well within expectations at 16 mm. Maybe not the lens for the Bing picture of the day, or the wall size gallery photos, but very versatile, well-built, and more than acceptable for 99% of applications it was intended for.
 
I’m considering to get the 16-80mm f4. I currently have the 18-55mm and there is an abismal difference when comparing with primes.
Has anyone here switched from the 18-55 to the 16-80? If so, what are your impressions about the latest? Besides wider and more reach, Is it really worth the upgrade in regards to IQ?
I've used the 18-55 since my first Fuji (X-T1) I purchased when it was released. I found it very versatile and much better than any other kit lens I had used from other manufacturers. I never found it abysmal in any way compared to anything. Over the years I acquired more lenses, zooms and primes, but still gravitated to the 18-55 when just walking around, or traveling with only one lens. But I wanted more FL range and WR (I know, I know) for those walkabouts and when boating or kayaking.

I tried the 18-135 but I just didn't have consistent results with it so sold it.

I also tried the 16-55. Most of the images I took with this lens were awesome, but since it didn't have OIS I had to pay more attention to shutter speed and I wasn't interested in upgrading to the X-H1 for IBIS (only option at the time). So I sold that lens and waited for the 16-80 to be released.

Now on to the 16-80. It's much more reasonable size-wise, the OIS is great, it has WR and a marked aperture ring. I don't peep at pixels, therefore I don't see any meaningful difference in IQ from the 18-55, if any at all. I will keep the 18-55 for now, but the 16-80 for three months now has been my primary X-T2 general purpose lens, with a WR prime or two in the bag if I think I might need them.

I wouldn't upgrade just for the IQ (unless you have a really bad copy of the 18-55) but for the additional features this lens brings to the table, if they are important enough to you.
 
My situation has been remarkably similar to yours. Returned the 16-55 despite stellar IQ, largely because of size/weight, but also for the OIS. When I travel light I don’t want to require a tripod to shoot at f8 or f11.

Holding on to my 16-55 because of the size and quality.

Also using the XT-2 still...
 
I have both, my copy of the 16-80 is better than the 18-55 across all of the 18-55 range, both in terms of sharpness and chromatic aberration. Granted I may not have the best copy of the 18-55 and I seem to be one of the few that thinks the 16-80 is an incredible lens and great value. Maybe I have an above average copy of the 16-80.
 
I’m considering to get the 16-80mm f4. I currently have the 18-55mm and there is an abismal difference when comparing with primes.
Has anyone here switched from the 18-55 to the 16-80? If so, what are your impressions about the latest? Besides wider and more reach, Is it really worth the upgrade in regards to IQ?
I did, but IQ was not one of my main reasons to "switch" (I still have XF 18-55mm, too, so I can`t really say I switched, but I didn`t use it since I got XF 16-80mm, except for some testing).

I can`t say I like my XF 18-55mm much, though I started appreciating it more as of lately... Sometimes I get shots where nothing is exactly in focus for reasons I can`t explain (other than some lens and/or camera focusing glitch), and I really think my copy is not that good, or at least not exquisite as some other might be (causing lens praises we all heard about) ... or my tolerance/expectation is just more strict/higher, not to say unreasonable?

Anyway, I did some extensive XF 18-55mm vs XF 16-80mm head-to-head brick wall shootout a while ago (hope to post results one day, time allowing), shooting both lenses at 16 - 18 - 35 - 55 - 80 mm (where applicable) and f/2.8 - f/4 - f/8 (again, where applicable), with focus point both at the center but top left edge as well (dealing with field curvature, if any), and overall, XF 16-80mm did came out as a better lens (well, at least concerning my copies of both), being what I hoped for, at least...

But it`s not really day-and-night difference for the most of the time - it was in certain occasions, but then XF 18-55mm came out better in some, too - all again leading to a conclusion that XF 18-55mm is really a capable lens, especially taking into account its size/weight and zoom/aperture it manages with it, and especially if you have a good (or better) copy.

I still have to compare RAW files and with lens corrections turned off, usually making XF 16-80mm even better (edges overall, and wide end in particular), but might be there will be improvement for XF 18-55mm, too - yet it really shouldn`t make that much of a difference for casual, every day shooting, where size/weight could, so that point is still very valid.

For my use case, major takeaways were 16mm wide end and weather resistance, also liking marked aperture ring and expectedly better image quality (even if just a bit), 80mm telephoto end and better image stabilization being just a bonus on top.

BUT, with XF 16-80mm attached, which is not really that larger than XF 18-55mm (in comparison to XF 18-135 and XF 16-55), the size/volume difference is noticeable enough (weight not that much), my X-T3 kind of feels (more) "serious" now (noticeable, attention grabbing, you name it). It`s still not nearly the same as Canon 5D Mark IV with one of its lenses, but it surely reminded me of it even if just a tiny bit, and it`s definitely not something I`m glad about.

That said, a few days ago I had an outing with X-T3 and XF 16-80mm for some 20 minutes under what I`d call "respectable" rain (not a heavy one, but not light, either), both completely uncovered (and mostly on a tripod, even), and I had no issues - nor worries - taking the pictures I wanted, which alone makes it worth it for me.
I too have replaced my 18-55 with the 16-80. I find the IQ slightly better in general (and significantly better than my copy of the 18-135). As others have mentioned, you'd have to step up to the 16-55 to get significantly better.

BTW I too have found occasional shots with the 18-55 where nothing appears in focus (i've seen it also with the 15-45 as well). I'm convinced it's related to the OIS and shuttershock interaction. It seems to happen sometimes with moderate (ie 1/200s) shutter speeds regardless whether OIS is on or not. Use of EFC shutter made it go away i think. 16-80 had this problem initially.
This is exactly why I’m thinking to change the lens I used it for a portrait session and most (if not all) of the photos I took show a subpar image quality. Fortunately I switched to the 35mm f2, which saved the day and my reputation
I've had decent results with the 16-80 at 80mm for portraiture. IMHO you need to be at the tele end to get reasonable bokeh with that lens..which limits it to outdoor portraiture. It's a jack of all trades lens. Yeah, when the shot absolutely counts I prefer to have my primes over any of my zooms with OIS. I don't trust OIS absolutely 100% of the time.
 
I’m considering to get the 16-80mm f4. I currently have the 18-55mm and there is an abismal difference when comparing with primes.
Has anyone here switched from the 18-55 to the 16-80? If so, what are your impressions about the latest? Besides wider and more reach, Is it really worth the upgrade in regards to IQ?
I have not really compred The IQ. Looks like it is very much like 18-55 IQ. But the reason to get a new lens was something else - it is a perfect traveling lens, it is WR , somtimes i need longer focal length and 16 is wider than 18mm . And it is a good combination with my H1. 18 - 55 is also a nice lens especially with X-E3 .
 
Thanks everyone for your kind answers and comments. I found someone in town who was selling an open box 16-80 for a decent price. I decided to give it a try.



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This is exactly why I’m thinking to change the lens I used it for a portrait session and most (if not all) of the photos I took show a subpar image quality. Fortunately I switched to the 35mm f2, which saved the day and my reputation
I would never use the 16-80 for portraiture, that type of photography is IMO only in the realm of primes and the 50-140.

Not to say the 16-80 is a bad lens provided you get a good copy of course, I love mine and take it hiking/backpacking constantly.
 
This is exactly why I’m thinking to change the lens I used it for a portrait session and most (if not all) of the photos I took show a subpar image quality. Fortunately I switched to the 35mm f2, which saved the day and my reputation
I would never use the 16-80 for portraiture, that type of photography is IMO only in the realm of primes and the 50-140.

Not to say the 16-80 is a bad lens provided you get a good copy of course, I love mine and take it hiking/backpacking constantly.
Agree, not for a dedicated shoot. But while traveling and doing an impromptu portrait it's not bad.
 
Agree with this. As a single lens solution it can be used for opportunistic portraits. I have a number of candid portraits made with this lens that I really like.
 
I’m sure you are going to enjoy your new lens. Now stay off the forums and go shoot with it. Happy shooting.
 

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