FZ80 experiences pt.4

... so my neighbor says to me " I don't know if you're interested... but there are these big yellow butterflies over at the bush, haven't seen so many..." (... no, no interest at all) I was already gone - yelling over my shoulder THANK YOU!
Haha!
Actually my neighbor aid "butterfly bush" and I thought they were just using some colloquialism....

Of course at a later date I was shooting the butterflies when the (other) neighbor who tends to the bush came out with their mouth hanging open - as they were surprised at the gorgeous butterflies, and did not even know they were there! - and another set of neighbors walking by said: "oh yes, they've been here for days"....

So I asked - what kind of a bush is that? - got a BIG laugh - "it's a butterfly bush!!" It's a buddleia - but you knew that!!
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Really nice set, VT!

First one is really good!!
Thanks ANAYV

It's on going, since I shoot these every day I can - beauty is fleeting and I want as much I can get during these trying times - I think this is my favorite so far (I might change my mind...)

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... so my neighbor says to me " I don't know if you're interested... but there are these big yellow butterflies over at the bush, haven't seen so many..." (... no, no interest at all) I was already gone - yelling over my shoulder THANK YOU!
Haha!
Actually my neighbor said "butterfly bush" and I thought they were just using some colloquialism....

Of course at a later date I was shooting the butterflies when the (other) neighbor who tends to the bush came out with their mouth hanging open - as they were surprised at the gorgeous butterflies, and did not even know they were there! - and another set of neighbors walking by said: "oh yes, they've been here for days"....

So I asked - what kind of a bush is that? - got a BIG laugh - "it's a butterfly bush!!"
It's a buddleia - but you knew that!!
After being told it was a "butterfly bush" - I was so incredulous, just had to look it up:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddleja

flutterbys on flutterby bush.... :-P
flutterbys on flutterby bush.... :-P

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Well I'm not going to pretend it's pretty, but ....

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... it's definitely a bird flying!!
 
Well I'm not going to pretend it's pretty, but ....

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... it's definitely a bird flying!!
maybe... but there is beauty in the way you do things.

I didn't think of taking a BIF with camera held vertically, I would have used horizontal because it seems better for panning the horizontal flight/movement - of course now that I've seen your pic - I can see the composition is just better....

Did you not use burst mode?

I too can learn, albeit (much) slower than yours and PerAE's galloping progress 😳

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Well I'm not going to pretend it's pretty, but ....

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... it's definitely a bird flying!!
maybe... but there is beauty in the way you do things. Very diplomatic!! 😁

I didn't think of taking a BIF with camera held vertically, I would have used horizontal because it seems better for panning the horizontal flight/movement - of course now that I've seen your pic - I can see the composition is just better....
It was horizontal but I cropped it as I thought it looked better with the cormorant in the bottom of the picture. Just my funny view of things. 🤷

Did you not use burst mode? Yes I did. There was a lot of water and not much bird 😂😂

I too can learn, albeit (much) slower than yours and PerAE's galloping progress 😳.
 
Well I'm not going to pretend it's pretty, but ....

... it's definitely a bird flying!!
maybe... but there is beauty in the way you do things.
Very diplomatic!! 😁
not so, I am about as un-PC as one can get - to me some people learn and do things in different ways to I do - and I do admire (some).
I didn't think of taking a BIF with camera held vertically, I would have used horizontal because it seems better for panning the horizontal flight/movement - of course now that I've seen your pic - I can see the composition is just better....
It was horizontal but I cropped it as I thought it looked better with the cormorant in the bottom of the picture. Just my funny view of things. 🤷
again, I recognize your great eye for composition. In some ways this is even better - to be able to drastically crop to get the right sense of composition - and I am not being diplomatic.
Did you not use burst mode?
Yes I did. There was a lot of water and not much bird 😂😂
good grief, Fran your reply formatting is terrible!!!

If I may - when you want answer in-line like you were doing - which is very good - hit enter at the point you want to reply - that opens a new line for you to type in. (you should be typing in black)
I too can learn, albeit (much) slower than yours and PerAE's galloping progress 😳.
As a first attempt I'm just pleased that I got a photo of something that is recognisably bird!!
I'd be dead chuffed at such a result if it were my first attempt - and you'll note, I have not even tried.

Please tell - which AF mode, and area were you using to get/keep the bird in focus?

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Well I'm not going to pretend it's pretty, but ....

... it's definitely a bird flying!!
maybe... but there is beauty in the way you do things.
Very diplomatic!! 😁
not so, I am about as un-PC as one can get - to me some people learn and do things in different ways to I do - and I do admire (some).
I didn't think of taking a BIF with camera held vertically, I would have used horizontal because it seems better for panning the horizontal flight/movement - of course now that I've seen your pic - I can see the composition is just better....
It was horizontal but I cropped it as I thought it looked better with the cormorant in the bottom of the picture. Just my funny view of things. 🤷
again, I recognize your great eye for composition. In some ways this is even better - to be able to drastically crop to get the right sense of composition - and I am not being diplomatic.
Did you not use burst mode?
Yes I did. There was a lot of water and not much bird 😂😂
good grief, Fran your reply formatting is terrible!!!
🤣🤣
If I may - when you want answer in-line like you were doing - which is very good - hit enter at the point you want to reply - that opens a new line for you to type in. (you should be typing in black)
Like this
I too can learn, albeit (much) slower than yours and PerAE's galloping progress 😳.
As a first attempt I'm just pleased that I got a photo of something that is recognisably bird!!
I'd be dead chuffed at such a result if it were my first attempt - and you'll note, I have not even tried.

Please tell - which AF mode, and area were you using to get/keep the bird in focus?
Focus mode AF and Tracking. But I have no idea if it was useful or not to be honest. I was in a hide a long way from the water and had to pan across without bashing the camera into the side of the hide. I'm glad you can't see how I go about things, you'd die laughing!!
 
If I may - when you want answer in-line like you were doing - which is very good - hit enter at the point you want to reply - that opens a new line for you to type in. (you should be typing in black)
Like this
exactement!
Please tell - which AF mode, and area were you using to get/keep the bird in focus?
Focus mode AF and Tracking. But I have no idea if it was useful or not to be honest. I was in a hide a long way from the water and had to pan across without bashing the camera into the side of the hide. I'm glad you can't see how I go about things, you'd die laughing!!
I'm laughing now.

Tell me, were you wearing full camo, with the face-paint too?

boggles the mind.....

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If I may - when you want answer in-line like you were doing - which is very good - hit enter at the point you want to reply - that opens a new line for you to type in. (you should be typing in black)
Like this
exactement!
Please tell - which AF mode, and area were you using to get/keep the bird in focus?
Focus mode AF and Tracking. But I have no idea if it was useful or not to be honest. I was in a hide a long way from the water and had to pan across without bashing the camera into the side of the hide. I'm glad you can't see how I go about things, you'd die laughing!!
I'm laughing now.

Tell me, were you wearing full camo, with the face-paint too?
Just a tin hat with a tree sticking out of the top.
 
Please tell - which AF mode, and area were you using to get/keep the bird in focus?
Focus mode AF and Tracking. But I have no idea if it was useful or not to be honest. I was in a hide a long way from the water and had to pan across without bashing the camera into the side of the hide. I'm glad you can't see how I go about things, you'd die laughing!!
I'm laughing now.

Tell me, were you wearing full camo, with the face-paint too?
Just a tin hat with a tree sticking out of the top.
OK... learn something new here everyday!

Keeps the radio wave interference down?

like I said
NB - Fran gets our Above and Beyond and dedication Award for building a hide just to shoot BIF - it musta taken you ages to build that hide....

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Please tell - which AF mode, and area were you using to get/keep the bird in focus?
Focus mode AF and Tracking. But I have no idea if it was useful or not to be honest. I was in a hide a long way from the water and had to pan across without bashing the camera into the side of the hide. I'm glad you can't see how I go about things, you'd die laughing!!
I'm laughing now.

Tell me, were you wearing full camo, with the face-paint too?
Just a tin hat with a tree sticking out of the top.
OK... learn something new here everyday!

Keeps the radio wave interference down?

like I said
NB - Fran gets our Above and Beyond and dedication Award for building a hide just to shoot BIF - it musta taken you ages to build that hide...
And that's not the worst of it. I had the bejesus bitten out of me by mosquitoes and I now look like I have some kind of desease.
 
And that's not the worst of it. I had the bejesus bitten out of me by mosquitoes and I now look like I have some kind of desease.
DEET is reputed to be the most effective repellent - but it can melt plastics (including plastic glasses lenses, and watch faces), and deteriorate man-made fabrics/clothing. Be sure to wash hands thoroughly before handling the FZ80/82, just to be on the safe side.

ConsumerReports is the US equivalent of "Which?" -

https://www.consumerreports.org/insect-repellent/do-natural-insect-repellents-work/

and there's a site that specializes on reviews of things mosquito...

https://mosquitoreviews.com/mosquito-repellents/sprays

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.... about using the Raynox at longer focal lengths, made me try my simple close-up lens. It is of reputed "quality" - Hoya HMC +3

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the closest unaided FZ80 with macro AF - so close camera casts shadow over subject -

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200mm
200mm

400mm
400mm

600mm
600mm

800mm
800mm

1200mm
1200mm

Observe the quite noticeable image degradation going out from the center, and there seems to be flare too (although in mitigation this may be my fault for leaving my mc UV filter on.)

Scale to show magnification at 1200mm

pretty poor quality
pretty poor quality
Of course I "discovered" Macro Zoom (p.96 Adv Manual)

Still ad-hoc set up, but a bit better to suit FZ80 being almost touching the subject at macro AF

ad-hoc set up
ad-hoc set up

Macro AF at 20mm about the closest distance -

macro AF @ 20mm
macro AF @ 20mm

set macro Zoom and still at 20mm - it seems I could get closer...

macro Zoom 20mm (= 1x or no digital zoom)
macro Zoom 20mm (= 1x or no digital zoom)

macro Zoom 40mm (= 2x digital zoom)
macro Zoom 40mm (= 2x digital zoom)

macro Zoom 60mm (max) (= 3x digital zoom)
macro Zoom 60mm (max) (= 3x digital zoom)

p.96 Adv Manual
p.96 Adv Manual

There is supposed to be a decrease in quality using the macro (digital) Zoom - but those loses certainly seem less than the degradation using my simple (but quality) +3 close-up lens, and perhaps even (what I've read) the Raynox away from the center of the image?

Scale to show magnification using macro Zoom at 60mm (ie: 3x digital zoom)

macro Zoom 60mm (= 3x digital zoom)
macro Zoom 60mm (= 3x digital zoom)

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Did are really quick setup with the Raynox

A Norwegian krone (smallest coin I could find) and a ruler with ducks on it! The ruler is in centimeters

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At about 100mm

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Ca 200mm

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Around 400mm

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Ca 700mm

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1200mm (I set the coin at a slight angel to make it stand upright and it shows here with the parts out of focus because of the very shallow depth of field)

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4K mode at full zoom with in camera stacking (some artifacts from the stacking)

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Here’s the ruler at 1200mm (it’s one millimeter between each vertical line)

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And here are some photos in 4K mode with full zoom without stacking, but moving the focus a little in post focus mode





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Out in the field, here's the same kind of flower as the other day, this time with my finger pointing at it for scale on the first picture:

It's this one! :)

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250mm, then 420mm, then 650

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1050mm and almost no DOF at all

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Did are really quick setup with the Raynox

A Norwegian krone (smallest coin I could find) and a ruler with ducks on it! The ruler is in centimeters

8c3e8a69671b4656bb444ec1bdbfc3a1.jpg

Ca 700mm

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1200mm (I set the coin at a slight angel to make it stand upright and it shows here with the parts out of focus because of the very shallow depth of field)

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4K mode at full zoom with in camera stacking (some artifacts from the stacking)

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Here’s the ruler at 1200mm (it’s one millimeter between each vertical line)

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Per - thank you for taking the time to show how the Raynox 150 works, really appreciate it.

The Norwegian krone is 21mm diameter (with 3.2mm center hole) - the US 1 cent coin is 19.05mm diameter.

You clearly showed longer than about 700mm the Raynox 150 will give greater magnifications than anything the FZ80/82 can do natively.

However just a note - I'm not sure of equivalences for macro reproduction - but on the old 35mm film a 1:1 macro magnification (the holy grail) is being able to get a 36x24mm area to fill the frame....

I think your Raynox 150 pics (and the native macro Zoom) are getting larger magnifications than that?

It appears the HUGE advantage of the Raynox 150 (and to a lesser degree the simple close-up lens) allows for greater magnification without having to get so close to the subject.

This practicality in itself mitigates a lot in terms of any loss of quality out from the center of the image.

Back on macro magnification - on the FZ80/82 with 1/2.3" sensor (6.17 x 4.55 mm) - does this mean for 1:1 macro one needs to fill the frame with 6.17 x 4.55 mm? Seems like a huge magnification to me....

Another PLUS for this kind of macro work for our FZ80/82 is the 4K post focus and stacking, simplified and automated and done in camera, for things that used to be a real headache done "manually"

Thanks so much.

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Did are really quick setup with the Raynox

A Norwegian krone (smallest coin I could find) and a ruler with ducks on it! The ruler is in centimeters

8c3e8a69671b4656bb444ec1bdbfc3a1.jpg

Ca 700mm

11e17ef7adb44826b027c1cce6cb9735.jpg

1200mm (I set the coin at a slight angel to make it stand upright and it shows here with the parts out of focus because of the very shallow depth of field)

41e4b02476034bd6990d77c3e79edd78.jpg

4K mode at full zoom with in camera stacking (some artifacts from the stacking)

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Here’s the ruler at 1200mm (it’s one millimeter between each vertical line)

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Per - thank you for taking the time to show how the Raynox 150 works, really appreciate it.

The Norwegian krone is 21mm diameter (with 3.2mm center hole) - the US 1 cent coin is 19.05mm diameter.

You clearly showed longer than about 700mm the Raynox 150 will give greater magnifications than anything the FZ80/82 can do natively.

However just a note - I'm not sure of equivalences for macro reproduction - but on the old 35mm film a 1:1 macro magnification (the holy grail) is being able to get a 36x24mm area to fill the frame....

I think your Raynox 150 pics (and the native macro Zoom) are getting larger magnifications than that?

It appears the HUGE advantage of the Raynox 150 (and to a lesser degree the simple close-up lens) allows for greater magnification without having to get so close to the subject.

This practicality in itself mitigates a lot in terms of any loss of quality out from the center of the image.

Thanks so much.
Yes, it looks like it magnifies more both the macro zoom and the Raynox than 1:1. It looks like the Raynox is just 7mm across (width) at full zoom which is considerably less than 24 mm. An at full zoom with the Raynox I think that I'm about 20 cm away from the subject (more or less, didn't measure)

Went out just now and took a few pictures of a bumblebee. The magnification is so big that I have more than enough with getting it in focus for now, but with practice I hope it will be easier and I can concentrate on composition too

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well for something you did just to help illustrate the usage - I am actually gobsmacked by the quality... and composition.

Is this just a straight photo - or did you have use any 4K post focus or stacking modes?

Ha-ha! I had just edited my post when you were replying
Back on macro magnification - on the FZ80/82 with 1/2.3" sensor (6.17 x 4.55 mm) - does this mean for 1:1 macro one needs to fill the frame with 6.17 x 4.55 mm? Seems like a huge magnification to me....

Another PLUS for this kind of macro work for our FZ80/82 is the 4K post focus and stacking, simplified and automated and done in camera, for things that used to be a real headache done "manually"
and similarly I think you just added another photo!

We have got to stop meeting like this - people will talk!

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