to do like to make a record of people / places / things or do you prefer to make art ?

Without (hopefully) reigniting the endless and pointless (because no one changes anyone's mind) debate on whether or not photography can be defined as art, I am in the category of attempting to create art through photography. Emphasis on 'attempting'. My interest is in creating aesthetically pleasing images. In other words, images I make into prints that I, my extended family and my friends want to put on their walls.

I am not a recorder. I don't do family gatherings, parties, weddings (at least since my film days) or social events. Much of that is selfish; I like to circulate, have a drink, and socialize. I have done a couple of night Christmas pageants in church, because I find those to be very aesthetic.

But, if one has enough talent; one can successfully combine both elements; art and recording. O. Winston Link exemplifies that ability. He was recording the end of the steam railroading era on the Norfolk and Western Railroad in the late 1950's. But these were not opportunistic snapshots that fortunately happened to capture a moment. Link knew exactly what he wanted to photograph and how to do it. They were meticulously planned and set up prior to the train coming through. Link was a civil engineer by training, so his photographic approach and preparations reflected that level of thoroughness. To me (again, speaking only for myself) his images are art.

David R. Stoecklin was another photographer who, in my opinion, successfully combined both elements. Because his subject matter was different (the American west), his preparations differed from Link, but again he had a specific intent, and he knew how to go after it.

Both were, in my view, artists and recorders.
 
Now that we've some Latin, I'd like to make a car analogy.

I have a Subaru. It has a little fire extinguisher bolted to the A pillar and some stuff that makes it go vroom vroom. I use it for pirate ride sharing. I drive around and look for people on street corners who look like they're waiting for an Uber (head to phone, head to street, head back to phone). I'll pull over and offer a cheaper ride. Usually like five bux less. Lots of takers. So my Subavroom (that's what I call it) functions as my independent businessman ride sharing car and my sweet drift car. You can have both.
You could command a ride share premium if you used your Dodge Dynasty.
 
Positively Pavlovian.
 
This thread has Lee Jay's name written all over it!
I think I blew Rob's mind when I stated that photography is almost never "art" and then supported my position with logic. So he's trying to get support for his view of photography by using a logical fallacy - Argumentum ad populum.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum

In argumentation theory, an argumentum ad populum (Latin for "appeal to the people"[1]) is a fallacious argument that concludes that a proposition must be true because many or most people believe it, often concisely encapsulated as: "If many believe so, it is so".
Jaylee-

I was not even thinking about you when I made the post.

But I admit that your viewpoint on the subject is legendary

I give you credit - its very rare for me to read something memorable on this forum
 
when you are using your camera do you get more pleasure using it recording people events , places and things

or to make art ?
I don't see it as either-or. There is art in ordinary things. Documentary photography can be art just as much as abstract images.
+1

Ok.

I love this answer.

Take care & Happy Shooting!
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Now that we've some Latin, I'd like to make a car analogy.

I have a Subaru. It has a little fire extinguisher bolted to the A pillar and some stuff that makes it go vroom vroom. I use it for pirate ride sharing. I drive around and look for people on street corners who look like they're waiting for an Uber (head to phone, head to street, head back to phone). I'll pull over and offer a cheaper ride. Usually like five bux less. Lots of takers. So my Subavroom (that's what I call it) functions as my independent businessman ride sharing car and my sweet drift car. You can have both.
You could command a ride share premium if you used your Dodge Dynasty.
Most certainly a treat for most, but would you plow the fields with Secretariat.
 
Then make a logical argument for your position, instead of a series of logical fallacies.
from your lips to the ears of God .. ..

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What is art? While those are good photojournalistic photos they don't look like art to me.
Art makes you want to look again. There is no nuts-and-bolts definition for art.

Kelly
I have many photos that I want to look at again and again but they're not Art.
 
Because I have little artistic skill. If any of my photographs have artistic merit it's purely by accident.

What is art? While those are good photojournalistic photos they don't look like art to me.
It seems to me that those who have little artistic skill also have little judgement as to what is art.

Sorry, but you left yourself wide open to that one! ;-)
Actually that is true. I have little artistic skill. Somehow I know when somebody else produces something I see as art, at least to my eyes.
 
Recording people, places and things I have been fortunate to experience for memories. No art in my cameras. And I don't have an artistic bone in my body. Would not recognize art if it hit me in the head unless it was labelled "this is art".
 
Good comment - fits me to a tee. I can't recognize art at all and for sure don't know good from bad art.
 

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