dalephill
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Lets move on and but all the garbage behind us. and get back to basics taking pics...
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Adobe PS CS Product Activation - doomed for failure?
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dalephill
Senior Member
I mearly stated what I did....
I'll never have to worry about activation, plus can buy it for 4
dollars hacked and complete.
dalephill
Senior Member
Excatly who in the world has this much patience and time on there hands... or maybe they do not think beyond the all might dollar.. your point is well taken and it would be nice if they would only listen.
Some folks here are vigorously defending the actions of Adobe and
slamming those who point out activation is NOT a good thing for
end-users, seemingly taking the view that activation is some new,
innovative, user requested feature instead of it being a completely
unnecessary (from the guy who's paying $600 point of view), and
potentially extremely disruptive burden on customers.
I know, many of you have said you won't mind a bit.
Many thought my situation was 'extreme' and that Adobe shouldn't
care about such extreme scenarios. Putting aside the fact that
other posters on this thread with similar situations undermine the
claim that mine is an 'extreme' case, here's one that probrably
80% of users WILL eventually run into:
(copied)
Case in point.... I own three computers here at home, and a couple
more
at the office. Two of the three are what I think of as my "primary"
tools, the third is an older unit that is fine for basic stuff like
word
processing and e-mail, but I wouldn't want to edit a 10 MB image on
it.
My desktop developed a problem back in December. It had a fully
licensed
copy of XP. I took it to a local repair facility (as per my
warranty) and
they said
it would be 10-15 days to get it fixed. I wasn;t a happy camper, but I
worked out
a transition plan. I would move the most processor intensive apps
to my
laptop,
hook that up to an external monitor and put my basic Office-type
stuff on
the
older AMDK62 desktop .... one problem with
that... I had a few apps that would not run under W98, the OS on
that unit.
So I called MS--waited about 90 minutes listening to elevator music
and MS
commercials-- and got a very nice polite CSR, explained the problem,
signed an oath in blood that I was not trying to rip them off and
got an
activation code. Went thru the BS of installing an OS, then all the
apps,
and was
back in the swing in 36 hours.
The 10-15 days ended up being three weeks, but I finally got my
repaired
graphics desktop back. (Never have a computer break at Christmastime)
My time has a certain amount of value, so I had the repair people
restore
my data and apps, including the OS. This requires reactivation.
Another call
to MS. Another wait. Another (eventual) fix....another couple of hours
wasted.
Not the biggest problem in the world, right?
But what happens when you have to do this with MS, MM, Adobe, Corel
and
every
other vendor from whom you've purchased s/w?? What happens when
ABC software moves to Nepal or Korea and you have to make the calls at
3AM to get a live person on the phone ?? It's not the end of the
world,
but it has the potential for an enormous loss of productivity and
a royal
PITA.
J
Jacques Giraud
Guest
Last time I checked buying stolen property was a crime.
toughluck
Senior Member
To make it funnier: Microsoft requires purchasing opne copy of their OS not per physical computer, or a physical CPU but per a "logical computing unit".----------------------------------------I'll never have to worry about activation, plus can buy it for 4
dollars hacked and complete.
Ok, I'm going to throw in my two cents here:
I do only basic image editing, so Paint Shop Pro 8 is just fine for
me. I bought a legit copy of it at Costco. Elements 2.0 came with
my 10D, so I'm covered there, BUT... companies like Adobe and
Microsoft need to take their heads (and wallets) out of the clouds
for just a minute and THINK about their policies.
Example: If you do buy Photoshop, or Frontpage, or pretty much any
piece of software from either of these companies (others, too), and
read that agreement you have to agree to before installation (which
almost no one reads), then you'll see something interesting: You
are "required" by them to purchase a completely separate copy of
that software for EACH computer you own. So, let's say the typical
"Joe Smith" family is home. He has a laptop, and the kids have
their school computer. He buys Photoshop (or Frontpage, Office,
Picture it, or whatever from these major companies). He is
expected by their law, to buy TWO copies of each program. I'm in
the U.S., but this applies to pretty much any typical country and
middle-income family. WHO can afford 2 or more copies of the same
software for each computer in their home?
This is the biggest reason people buy/swap/download "hacked"
software. Much the same reason teens download so much free
music... CDs have been around forever, but still cost $16-$20 each.
If Adobe, Microsoft, etc, want this practice to slow down to a
crawl, then they need to do two things: 1) Lower the price of
the software, and 2) Adopt the policy that ONE copy can be
installed on all computers that are at the SAME residential address
(not per computer) with existing policies staying in effect for
actual businesses (we're talking about home users here).
Sure, it costs a lot to develop software. But so much you expect
people to pay $1200+ for two copies for their laptop and desktop?
It's great if someone CAN afford to do that, but 99% of the
families and even a chunk of working professionals I know can't
afford that. What do they do? Avoid the product altogether.
Which is better? Selling one copy folks can use on all their
computers in their home, or, not selling even that one, because you
expect them to buy several copies? They will not buy - they will
seek free alternatives. The major label loses, not them.
Heads out of the clouds, big wigs. Head out of the clouds.
What does that mean? It means that when you buy a Pentium 4 HT equipped PC, you have to purchase two copies of Windows (whatever the version), as the Pentium 4 HT is detected as two processors, and it emulates them.
I'm not sure if this rule works with software, but it just might.
Intel has announced a new eightfold HT in their new Pentium 4, so that means... YES - purchasing EIGHT copies of Windows, so you can use the PC at all! If you buy 7 or less, it is illegal for you to use Windows, EVEN THOUGH they (2000, 2003 and XP only, I guess Longhorn too) can use up to 4 processors on a single machine, or a cluster of up to 4 CPUs.
In theory, you could buy only 4 copies of Windows for such a computer, as you can use only so much power, but no - you are obliged to pay for eight copies of them.
Imagine building a house and paying for 200 sq. meters (or whatever it is in sq. feet) to be built, but when you move in, you find out half of the rooms have no doors and no windows - they are still there, you paid for their construction, you have to pay for heating them during winter, but you cannot use them. Would you agree to that?
But there is a simple answer to that. Don't use Windows, don't use Adobe Photoshop, or any other software you cannot afford!!!
dalephill, you've said you use PS from time to time. If you have a legit copy of Windows, why not download theGIMP from the internet (www.gimp.org)? It does most of the work PS does, then some more, and can support colour profiles (with a plugin you can either find on the internet, or write yourself, as the source code is readily available).
If you don't have a legit copy of Windows, then why not get Linux? It's free, and latest versions are really easy to set up.
I use Linux, the GIMP, and Corel Graphics Suite 9 (with Corel WINE). Corel also released their own Linux for purposes of working with GS, but I have yet to try it (if ever since Mandrake works best for me).
Oh yeah, and if I ever decide to buy an 8x HT Pentium 4 CPU based PC, I'll just compile the kernel to SMP, and be able to use all the 8 CPUs - out of the box. Or just reinstall Linux for SMP (if I decide compiling is too much fuss). Oh yeah - 8 CPUs, or any number for that matter (like a cluster of 260 PCs, each with 4 Athlon CPUs, like in Heidelberg, Germany - that's 1040 processors running simultaneously). How about a 500 cluster PC, each with 8 Pentium eightfold HT CPUs? That would make it 32000 CPUs in a single cluster, running under one OS. Windows 2???, which would make use of all the CPUs, at $500 a copy, would cost 16 MILLION dollars. Who would pay such money???
OK, I'm ranting...
Last time i checked it was stealing property that is a crime.
Last time I checked buying stolen property was a crime.
I still think that these big company software makers should lower down their software prices...otherwise, piracy will continue to proliferate in other nations especially for those who doesn't earn pounds, euro or dollar...Stealing or piracy is an act in result to the reality bites of what's happening in other countries...People who can afford may question the morale of an individual who opted to be otherwise...Law should not be an excuse to condemn those who are less fortunate. How can these problems be solved...if the real root of the problem is not addressed? I suppose, forever it will be there until somebody change the laws or the rules that governs legal production and distribution of softwares...
--we got ourselves a joker. Funny man Yakuza. And you ALMOST soundThere is currently only one type of pro machine that runs
photoshop, and that is a Mac. The G5 is the fastest personal
computer in the world, which is nice too. It's also much cheaper
than it's wannabe competition. Even a $799 eMac will outpace the
majority of users on this site. A 1GHZ G4 is more than enough to
handle the tiny 6MP (or smaller) files most work with here. But
again, if speed is your primary concern, the Dual 2GHZ G5 is the
best of the best. Go to an Apple dealer now if you haven't already.
Bring a CD full of your favorite images, use Photoshop, and
experience the speed, stability, and design. You'll have a hard
time going back to anything less than a Mac.
like you believe it too!....
That's because apple users are so inept and software choices soOh yeah, THERE IS NO "ACTIVATION" FOR MAC "CS" BUYERS! THAT'S FOR
WINDOWS SUCKERS ONLY!
limited, that piracy hasn't been as much of a problem on the
macs... also they account for what? 1% of the market?
-¥akuza
Considering that Adobe has decided to punish legitimate software
purchasers of PS CS by subjecting them to product activation pain,
they should take cue from Intuit who are regretting similar
procedure introduced in Turbo Tax last year. Atleast they have now
set everything right - see
http://rss.com.com/2100-1046_3-5088604.html?part=rss&tag=feed&subj=news
It is just a matter of making your voice heard loud and clear and
through actions (by not upgrading).
F
Framer
Guest
THEN BUY WHAT YOU CAN AFFORD! IT'S THAT SIMPLE!!!
--we got ourselves a joker. Funny man Yakuza. And you ALMOST soundThere is currently only one type of pro machine that runs
photoshop, and that is a Mac. The G5 is the fastest personal
computer in the world, which is nice too. It's also much cheaper
than it's wannabe competition. Even a $799 eMac will outpace the
majority of users on this site. A 1GHZ G4 is more than enough to
handle the tiny 6MP (or smaller) files most work with here. But
again, if speed is your primary concern, the Dual 2GHZ G5 is the
best of the best. Go to an Apple dealer now if you haven't already.
Bring a CD full of your favorite images, use Photoshop, and
experience the speed, stability, and design. You'll have a hard
time going back to anything less than a Mac.
like you believe it too!....
That's because apple users are so inept and software choices soOh yeah, THERE IS NO "ACTIVATION" FOR MAC "CS" BUYERS! THAT'S FOR
WINDOWS SUCKERS ONLY!
limited, that piracy hasn't been as much of a problem on the
macs... also they account for what? 1% of the market?
-¥akuza
Considering that Adobe has decided to punish legitimate software
purchasers of PS CS by subjecting them to product activation pain,
they should take cue from Intuit who are regretting similar
procedure introduced in Turbo Tax last year. Atleast they have now
set everything right - see
http://rss.com.com/2100-1046_3-5088604.html?part=rss&tag=feed&subj=news
It is just a matter of making your voice heard loud and clear and
through actions (by not upgrading).
Thank you very much sir...for your prompt reply...but it seems to me that you still don't get it...you sound obviously biased and i cannot blame you for that...perhaps you are one who works in a software company that's been receiving lots of the residuals from the high rates of pays they've been giving all the officers of a software company...it may be you or at least one of your family members who surely benefits on this...I am not against you or anybody who thinks that buying pirated cd's are against the law or should be stopped, what i am addressing here is the root cause of how i think piracy has come about and if you are part of it, for me you are definitely not solving any problem, but contributing to the chaos. A good person is someone with an open mind...I have read all your bashing and comments and obviously for me sir, you are one of those lame and seemingly unprofessional...But despite that, even though you don't deserve a respectable reply...I respect your comment. Thank you.
And just a note of consideration...I didn't say i wanted to buy.
And just a note of consideration...I didn't say i wanted to buy.
--we got ourselves a joker. Funny man Yakuza. And you ALMOST soundThere is currently only one type of pro machine that runs
photoshop, and that is a Mac. The G5 is the fastest personal
computer in the world, which is nice too. It's also much cheaper
than it's wannabe competition. Even a $799 eMac will outpace the
majority of users on this site. A 1GHZ G4 is more than enough to
handle the tiny 6MP (or smaller) files most work with here. But
again, if speed is your primary concern, the Dual 2GHZ G5 is the
best of the best. Go to an Apple dealer now if you haven't already.
Bring a CD full of your favorite images, use Photoshop, and
experience the speed, stability, and design. You'll have a hard
time going back to anything less than a Mac.
like you believe it too!....
That's because apple users are so inept and software choices soOh yeah, THERE IS NO "ACTIVATION" FOR MAC "CS" BUYERS! THAT'S FOR
WINDOWS SUCKERS ONLY!
limited, that piracy hasn't been as much of a problem on the
macs... also they account for what? 1% of the market?
-¥akuza
Considering that Adobe has decided to punish legitimate software
purchasers of PS CS by subjecting them to product activation pain,
they should take cue from Intuit who are regretting similar
procedure introduced in Turbo Tax last year. Atleast they have now
set everything right - see
http://rss.com.com/2100-1046_3-5088604.html?part=rss&tag=feed&subj=news
It is just a matter of making your voice heard loud and clear and
through actions (by not upgrading).
F
Framer
Guest
I am sorry debi28 but your comments are beyond comprhrehension. If you feel as though these companies are gouging you then don't support them, use a freeware application, as I am sure it will more than fit the bill for what you need. I have bought all my software not only because I use it professionally but because I do not believe in breaking the law.
Whether or not you want to obey you laws is up to you, I just couldn't sleep well at night thinking that I am making money from illegally acquired software. I do agree that some software is very expensive but it is for good reason. That's why they offer lesser software for a much reduced price.
Have a nice life.
Whether or not you want to obey you laws is up to you, I just couldn't sleep well at night thinking that I am making money from illegally acquired software. I do agree that some software is very expensive but it is for good reason. That's why they offer lesser software for a much reduced price.
Have a nice life.
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