Expensive lenses!

I do keep thinking of full frame mirror less, but my Nikon days are all DSLR, only try to write about things I have actually used.

The write ups on the two new Z F4 lenses are showing great promise.

But, from all the looking I have done my personal preference is to stay in the Fuji stable. APSC and baby medium format.

My sports and long zoom needs are output driven, and a Sony RX10 1" sensor is my sweet spot as those photos are destined for the handheld screen

Dace
 
One of these lenses is an all plastic lens, including the mount, and is considered disposable. If the lens is decentered, out of spec, or broken in any way, the manufacturer just throws the lens in the trash and ships a replacement. Low manufacturing cost was the primary design goal above all else.

The other lens is none of those things.
 
The Z system seems to have excellent optics and I've considered it. The primes are fairly large and I greatly prefer the ethos of Fuji as a company. And the small Fuji primes are still really unique in what they offer in terms of IQ and size.
 
John, I've been a Fuji shooter since 2012 and have had 10-12 bodies in total. I'd like to see them stick around for a long time and remain competitive as the unique brand that they are. My feedback is constructive here, even if wrong.
Yeah me too man, me too. Bought the original X100 on day one and have had 15-20 Bodies myself. And I never said you were wrong. Just different opinions.
 
I agree with you, albeit it's an unpopular opinion here.

The 10-24 costs just under Nikon's 14-30mm f4. That's a FF lens that is not much heavier, also a fixed aperture, weather sealed and excellent in IQ. The same could be said about the 16-55 in comparison to Nikon's 24-70 f4. As a price/size/weight proposition, Fuji's zoom lenses are in an increasingly odd place in the wider market. This won't matter to people already vested, but if you're starting a new system it stands out.
That is because you have full frame envy... many of us see Fuji as an alternative to the me too DSLR shaped PASM mirrorless cameras all over the market. Nikon is having financial trouble and Fuji is doing well... hmmmm.
Do you have an argument that relates to the conversation being had in this thread?
My comment certainly was... you guys expect a small market share company to compete on price vs. large market share companies. And comparing mirrorless lenses to dslr lenses ... not really fair. It’s tiring to hear about Fuji’s prices. It’s ok, you can buy something else... we don’t mind. Prices are what they are... complaining isn’t going to change that. Somehow Fuji keeps gaining market share ...
Hello, thanks for the input. However, i feel this is a forum for discussing the system, and a discussion around cost is legitimate I feel. You are welcome to not open the thread of course. I've actually learned some interesting things about the differences in the lenses, both in terms of quality of production, materials and also economics of a bigger company making more lenses cheaper. I feel its been a useful topic.

I'm not sure why you took this post personally.

I noted you also replied with this: "Yawn... sounds like you should have stuck with Canon."

Not constructive really! I didn't make you open the thread! I don't think its actually a valid point either. Discussing a feeling on lens expense doesn't necessarily correlate to which company I should use.

I appreciate you may be tired of hearing it, but frankly, just dont read the thread!
 
Back on topic anyway!

Im the UK the 10-24 is about £850, or perhaps 650+ used. Today there is a cashback deal and I can get the 10-24 new for £579!!!

Seems cashback could be the answer. I'm going to trade my EF-S 10-18 for perhaps £130 too so £449 net!!!!!
 
See? Waiting to respond (less emotionally) has paid you dividends!! The cash back in the UK happened between your posts!! Good luck and enjoy the new lens.
 
I agree with you, albeit it's an unpopular opinion here.

The 10-24 costs just under Nikon's 14-30mm f4. That's a FF lens that is not much heavier, also a fixed aperture, weather sealed and excellent in IQ. The same could be said about the 16-55 in comparison to Nikon's 24-70 f4. As a price/size/weight proposition, Fuji's zoom lenses are in an increasingly odd place in the wider market. This won't matter to people already vested, but if you're starting a new system it stands out.
That is because you have full frame envy... many of us see Fuji as an alternative to the me too DSLR shaped PASM mirrorless cameras all over the market. Nikon is having financial trouble and Fuji is doing well... hmmmm.
Do you have an argument that relates to the conversation being had in this thread?
My comment certainly was... you guys expect a small market share company to compete on price vs. large market share companies. And comparing mirrorless lenses to dslr lenses ... not really fair. It’s tiring to hear about Fuji’s prices. It’s ok, you can buy something else... we don’t mind. Prices are what they are... complaining isn’t going to change that. Somehow Fuji keeps gaining market share ...
Hello, thanks for the input. However, i feel this is a forum for discussing the system, and a discussion around cost is legitimate I feel. You are welcome to not open the thread of course. I've actually learned some interesting things about the differences in the lenses, both in terms of quality of production, materials and also economics of a bigger company making more lenses cheaper. I feel its been a useful topic.

I'm not sure why you took this post personally.

I noted you also replied with this: "Yawn... sounds like you should have stuck with Canon."

Not constructive really! I didn't make you open the thread! I don't think its actually a valid point either. Discussing a feeling on lens expense doesn't necessarily correlate to which company I should use.

I appreciate you may be tired of hearing it, but frankly, just dont read the thread!
Fair enough. I’d say you took my comments personally too. I was just sticking up for Fuji and it’s pricing. If price is your ultimate concern, isn’t it fair to say there are better options than Fuji? By the way... there is nothing derogatory about saying stick with Canon. It’s a good camera company.
 
The XF 10-24 is 850 pounds new, or about 650 used!! The Canon 10-18 is 199 pounds new. Same kind of magnitude for the 55-250 EF-S STM.

From reading, these zooms don’t seem much better than the Canon ones.

In fact, since i dislike the 10-18 range too short, I bet I could get a fringer, and a used Tamron EF-s mount 10-24, for the same price as the Fuji 10-24.

I wonder why the difference is so big!
Agree, makers seem to have seen MILC as a way to price ramp hugely

Thing is though people caught on and use adapters and vintage glass so the expensive stuff sits on shelves gathering dust.

I do agree that there is a price/build argument, seriously tho many lenses are prices way too high. I would say the 10-24 if a £500 odd lens myself of $550 it's nice build but not WR. I got a Tokina 11-16mm F2.8 for less, it isn't WR but it's better built and it's F2.8
 
The XF 10-24 is 850 pounds new, or about 650 used!! The Canon 10-18 is 199 pounds new. Same kind of magnitude for the 55-250 EF-S STM.

From reading, these zooms don’t seem much better than the Canon ones.

In fact, since i dislike the 10-18 range too short, I bet I could get a fringer, and a used Tamron EF-s mount 10-24, for the same price as the Fuji 10-24.

I wonder why the difference is so big!
Agree, makers seem to have seen MILC as a way to price ramp hugely

Thing is though people caught on and use adapters and vintage glass so the expensive stuff sits on shelves gathering dust.
Really? Have you taken a poll?
I do agree that there is a price/build argument, seriously tho many lenses are prices way too high. I would say the 10-24 if a £500 odd lens myself of $550 it's nice build but not WR. I got a Tokina 11-16mm F2.8 for less, it isn't WR but it's better built and it's F2.8
 
The XF 10-24 is 850 pounds new, or about 650 used!! The Canon 10-18 is 199 pounds new. Same kind of magnitude for the 55-250 EF-S STM.

From reading, these zooms don’t seem much better than the Canon ones.

In fact, since i dislike the 10-18 range too short, I bet I could get a fringer, and a used Tamron EF-s mount 10-24, for the same price as the Fuji 10-24.

I wonder why the difference is so big!
Agree, makers seem to have seen MILC as a way to price ramp hugely

Thing is though people caught on and use adapters and vintage glass so the expensive stuff sits on shelves gathering dust.
Really? Have you taken a poll?
I don't need to dude we can see the picture clearly

I know covid messed up things even more, even before that and taking that into account, sales have bombed bad and would still be bad minus that virus problem

The industry is in bits, and yeah high prices on low demand products = become the next Olympus..

 
The XF 10-24 is 850 pounds new, or about 650 used!! The Canon 10-18 is 199 pounds new. Same kind of magnitude for the 55-250 EF-S STM.

From reading, these zooms don’t seem much better than the Canon ones.

In fact, since i dislike the 10-18 range too short, I bet I could get a fringer, and a used Tamron EF-s mount 10-24, for the same price as the Fuji 10-24.

I wonder why the difference is so big!
Agree, makers seem to have seen MILC as a way to price ramp hugely

Thing is though people caught on and use adapters and vintage glass so the expensive stuff sits on shelves gathering dust.
Really? Have you taken a poll?
I don't need to dude we can see the picture clearly

I know covid messed up things even more, even before that and taking that into account, sales have bombed bad and would still be bad minus that virus problem

The industry is in bits, and yeah high prices on low demand products = become the next Olympus..

http://www.cipa.jp/stats/documents/e/dw-202005_e.pdf
This proves people adapt lenses instead of buying native lenses?
 
Back on topic anyway!

Im the UK the 10-24 is about £850, or perhaps 650+ used. Today there is a cashback deal and I can get the 10-24 new for £579!!!

Seems cashback could be the answer. I'm going to trade my EF-S 10-18 for perhaps £130 too so £449 net!!!!!
That's about right. The 850 figure sounded nuts, the normal price here in Australia for that lens is about 660 quid with VAT.

Regional pricing is weeird!

Incidentally, the XC 50-230 seems to be stable at 110 w/ VAT here these days. It's impossible to pass that lens up for that price!
 
This proves people adapt lenses instead of buying native lenses?
It proves their not selling a lot of anything cameras or lenses
ok, you are right, they are all going out of business and we will only use phones.
Low demand products + high prices = sales collapse
Not necessarily...
I'd wager Fuji make a lot more off their instax sales v the X mount, just a guess I doubt I'm wrong on that
Well, there’s only 10 years worth of articles and data showing that so I’m not sure what that proves.
 
I dunno dude they tried raising prices on stuff for years, still in decline

I think the XT4 is a hard hard sell as it's retail, you really don't want to be doing an Olympus (selling crop at FF prices)

XT3 isn't a bad price but that's reality time where the XT4 should be selling
I'd wager Fuji make a lot more off their instax sales v the X mount, just a guess I doubt I'm wrong on that
Well, there’s only 10 years worth of articles and data showing that so I’m not sure what that proves.
Camera industry is in big trouble, only a matter of time before a few more call it a day
 
I dunno dude they tried raising prices on stuff for years, still in decline

I think the XT4 is a hard hard sell as it's retail, you really don't want to be doing an Olympus (selling crop at FF prices)
For you, yet people are buying it and the reviews are overwhelmingly positive.
XT3 isn't a bad price but that's reality time where the XT4 should be selling
I'd wager Fuji make a lot more off their instax sales v the X mount, just a guess I doubt I'm wrong on that
Well, there’s only 10 years worth of articles and data showing that so I’m not sure what that proves.
Camera industry is in big trouble, only a matter of time before a few more call it a day
It isn't going to be Fuji though...
 
I dunno dude they tried raising prices on stuff for years, still in decline

I think the XT4 is a hard hard sell as it's retail, you really don't want to be doing an Olympus (selling crop at FF prices)
For you, yet people are buying it and the reviews are overwhelmingly positive.
Unless you have sales numbers it's speculative at best, it's not ranking super high on sale sites like Amazon last time I looked. Reviews don't mean a lot on it's own. IMO the XT4 is what the XT3 should have been (mostly), it's a bit late IMO if it were about 2 years ago it would do better

XT3 isn't a bad price but that's reality time where the XT4 should be selling
I'd wager Fuji make a lot more off their instax sales v the X mount, just a guess I doubt I'm wrong on that
Well, there’s only 10 years worth of articles and data showing that so I’m not sure what that proves.
Camera industry is in big trouble, only a matter of time before a few more call it a day
It isn't going to be Fuji though...
Nothing is certain in these times. I think Fuji need to look again at their system, and the cost. There are glimmers of hope, they did a cheaper prime recently, more of that is needed iMO

If we get more budget FF bodies, it could cause Fuji problems moving forward. I would say the XT4 is uncomfortable in it's current price point.
 
Back on topic anyway!

Im the UK the 10-24 is about £850, or perhaps 650+ used. Today there is a cashback deal and I can get the 10-24 new for £579!!!

Seems cashback could be the answer. I'm going to trade my EF-S 10-18 for perhaps £130 too so £449 net!!!!!
That's about right. The 850 figure sounded nuts, the normal price here in Australia for that lens is about 660 quid with VAT.

Regional pricing is weeird!

Incidentally, the XC 50-230 seems to be stable at 110 w/ VAT here these days. It's impossible to pass that lens up for that price!
That lens is £320 here new, the XC 50-230.
 
Yes the Canon one is a cheaper lens. Not a constant aperture, and Canon became Canon for making cheap lens. Doesn't mean they're all the best. The Canon EF 11-24mm f/4L USM is a constant f4 like the Fuji and costs $3000.
Exactly. The Fuji is more akin to Canon's L series glass, which come at a greater cost. I was very pleased when I bought my Fuji XPro-1, and lenses. Fuji's lenses were on par, or even better than my L series lenses. I still use the Canon on occasion, for the 70-200 f/4 L IS, since I don't have a lens in that range for my Fuji, but The Fuji is my daily driver.

I have been impressed with all the Fuji lenses I have, including my wife's "kit" 18-55. I was truly impressed with it as well. Well made, and good optics. It is hard to believe it is classified as a kit lens. For me, I use the 35 1.4, 60mm, and the 14mm. The 14mm is a standout in that there is basically zero distortion if you shoot with the lens level. Even the 27mm is a stellar lens.

All that being said, you can do great photography with Canon's non-L glass, so if the OP wants to stick with Canon, and buy their normal quality range lenses, they will work just fine.
 

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