Which camera makers will survive in the long term?

The pool is shrinking fast and no one knows how small it will get.

Gato
That is easy. The pool will be those buyers which can't replace the cameras with phones: pros and advanced amateurs, who need to get the shot in any conditions, top IQ and top AF.

That pool might be small. If too small, I would expect the prices to get very high, for both cameras and lenses.
 
On the other hand, in my view Canon is safe, but M mount is not. Their two mount based systems are incompatible, so one can go without the other being affected.
Canon is safe enough, they are, like Pentax, part of a very large corporation. However, their past behavior may indicate that the EF mount's days are numbered.
Both Canon and Nikon will quit making DSLRS, which might leave Pentax as the sole DSLR maker (even if they did a mirrorless cameras many years before Canon and Nikon).

The only question is how long it will take.

This is a shame, because some very good DSLRs lenses can be get much cheaper than mirrorless counterparts.
 
I don't consider Sony a "camera maker". They are mostly an electronics company that also makes cameras, just like Samsung. I don't put them in the same boat as Canon or Nikon for a question like this. Canon will survive but id be willing to bet Sony buys Nikon within the next 2-3 years. They pretty much do everything for Nikon these days as is. I think Fuji will survive as well.
What does Nikon have that Sony needs? Maybe some optical engineers? They can hire some, instead of buying Nikon.

Sony bought Konica Minolta because they didn't have any expertise and know how in this field, and needed something to kickstart their photography business. Now they have expertise and know how.

What is weird is Sony does better in photography than by selling mobile phones. Samsung, Apple, Huawei and Xiaomi almost destroyed its phones business.

One guy here said a major Sony investor is pushing the company farther away from electronics and photography, more towards entertainment, gaming.

This seems a trend, for electronics to transition from Japan to China. I won't be surprised if Alibaba, Tencent, Huawei, Lenovo end up buying Sony camera business.
 
I don't consider Sony a "camera maker". They are mostly an electronics company that also makes cameras, just like Samsung. I don't put them in the same boat as Canon or Nikon for a question like this. Canon will survive but id be willing to bet Sony buys Nikon within the next 2-3 years. They pretty much do everything for Nikon these days as is. I think Fuji will survive as well.
Canon only makes about 20% of its revenue from cameras. It's kind of a weird distinction, given how far ahead Samsung was so many years ago.
Being well diversified doesn't guarantee survival in this market. All it does is lessen the impact of a downturn in the camera market. The only thing that matters is profitability.

For example..... Olympus derived only 5% of their revenue from digital imaging, and was a very profitable company in their other ventures. Even so, they eventually stopped tolerating loses in their imaging division.
I've read somewhere that japanese people are very traditionalist and tradition, dignity, image and 'losing face' are notions which matter for japanese companies. As in they might keep one of their business divisions even if they aren't making profits, as long as their loses aren't huge.
 
Eventually the sun will evolve into a red giant and burn the inner planets away. . . Adobe will likely still be around long after that, though.

;)
But someone has to be there with a camera to film it.
 
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With the bad news about Olympus being shut down (not that it was unexpected), Pentax mostly a ghost, I wonder which camera companies will survive long time. By long time I mean at least 10 years from now on.
Olympus SOLD it’s camera division, it did not shut it down.
Yes, they are selling it to a small firm specialized in dismembering distressed companies, to avoid dealing with Japanese laws which demand employees be given compensations when being fired. Meanwhile they let go or moved to medical division many skilled technicians. Their factories are being shopped for real estate value.

Yes, they SOLD it, just don't expect Olympus cameras and lenses in the future. Unless some chinese company wants to use the brand for some toy cameras.
They sold it to the same outfit that bought the VAIO brand from Sony, and you can still buy VAIO laptops via Amazon. I think the Olympus gloom is overstated. Of course, that’s easy for me to say as I have no Olympus gear.
 
Eventually the sun will evolve into a red giant and burn the inner planets away. . . Adobe will likely still be around long after that, though.

;)
But someone has to be there with a camera to film it.
Hardly. If there are survivors, implants would make camera's redundant (and at that, implants would be retro technology by that time). Rather obvious, if you think about it - no? ;)
 
Eventually the sun will evolve into a red giant and burn the inner planets away. . . Adobe will likely still be around long after that, though.

;)
But someone has to be there with a camera to film it.
Hardly. If there are survivors, implants would make camera's redundant (and at that, implants would be retro technology by that time). Rather obvious, if you think about it - no? ;)
Ain't no sturgeon going to take that route with me.
 
With the bad news about Olympus being shut down (not that it was unexpected), Pentax mostly a ghost, I wonder which camera companies will survive long time. By long time I mean at least 10 years from now on.
Hard to know if you can look 10 years ahead now - particularly after the economic bomb of the pandemic has gone off - hard to know if you can look 2 years forward. If there are any then Nikon, Canon, Sony and probably Fuji and Leica.
 
If there's room in the boat, I might join ye too. But I'm bringing my EM1 mark iii along to record our journey.
You mean the River Styx ferry? Don't forget to bring the pennies.
 
With the bad news about Olympus being shut down (not that it was unexpected), Pentax mostly a ghost, I wonder which camera companies will survive long time. By long time I mean at least 10 years from now on.
None of them. We'll be lucky if humans survive in the long term.
 
My guess is that cameras as we know them will be all but extinct in 10 years,
Probably.

I think the idea of a 2D representation of a scene capture could go away to be replaced by a high-resolution 3D/virtual reality capture.

Having worked in the CAD industry for 30+ years I find that when looking at a flat image that I tend to want to rotate it to see other viewpoints.
 
With the bad news about Olympus being shut down (not that it was unexpected), Pentax mostly a ghost, I wonder which camera companies will survive long time. By long time I mean at least 10 years from now on.
Olympus is not being shut down. Maybe eventually but not in the near future.

which companies making still cameras and lenses will survive? Canon, Nikon, Leica, Phase One, Sigma, Tamron.

Sony is borderline.
Olympus has sold its camera business to a company that doesn't manufacture photography equipment.

A year from now if we see a camera with the Olympus name on it, it will only be a name and won't have any connection to the company that has been manufacturing cameras for many years.

Chances are the name will eventually be sold to a Chinese company like has happened to so many once-great companies.

Olympus is out of the camera business, People need to wake up to that fact. :-)
 
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I think next formats to disappear might be Canon EF-S and Nikon DX.
 
While the ignorant point to a decade of ILC camera sales decline and insist the sky is falling, "Oh! The humanity!" they overlook telling you that over the same time the industry shipped nearly as many interchangeable lenses as they had going all the way back to when CIPA was keeping numbers in the 50s. The industry virtually matched six decades of lens shipments in one decade. You know, the "chicken little" decade.

Obviously enthusiast interest in photography is as strong as ever. Body sales are dormant, but interest in photography, based on lens sales, has never been better.

Look at the numbers yourself, and see the story.


Prior to the digital revolution at the turn of the century, the industry shipped somewhere around 1 lens for every 1 to 4 ILCs sold. And during the rapid expansion of digital camera sales that number dipped down to one lens for every 10 cameras sold. The real growth in lens sales happened right after digital ILC camera sales crested. In 2019 the industry sales of lenses to cameras sold was nearly one to one, and ILC lens sales were nearly triple what they were prior to the digital revolution.

ILC use is not dying, and looking at the explosive grown in lens sales, smart phones certainly aren't killing the market.

We'll see the ILC market contract to something like it was prior to the digital revolution, but larger, with new users who were attracted to the convenience of digital.

So who will stay in the game?

The big three, and any others with a customer base with good glass.

Rick
 
Then Ricoh might also persist in making the GR. The way they will survive is by integrating Apple/Google level technology. They need to do it fast, though, or else no one but pros who need many lens lengths will ever buy dedicated cameras again.
 

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