Adobe PS CS Product Activation - doomed for failure?

Well, now another popular software -- Norton SystemWorks and AntiVirus is going the activation route too. For alternative program free AVG Antivirus has been mentioned. Is it any good?
-bruce
Considering that Adobe has decided to punish legitimate software
purchasers of PS CS by subjecting them to product activation pain,
they should take cue from Intuit who are regretting similar
procedure introduced in Turbo Tax last year. Atleast they have now
set everything right - see

http://rss.com.com/2100-1046_3-5088604.html?part=rss&tag=feed&subj=news

It is just a matter of making your voice heard loud and clear and
through actions (by not upgrading).
 
Just like you never recorded a TV program or music on the radio ?

Software piracy is an issue for sure but only because people don't see value in the "real" product.

Frankly, > $500 for PS here in Australia is just idiotic and I really can't blame those who look for ways to get "cheaper" versions.

I work in software development and Adobe products have a huge margin bordering on the extreme.

Oh well, must get back to watching that DVD of Pirates that isn't out yet ?
dalephill,

You are using the results of other people's investment of time and
money for your own benefit without paying them a dime. You know
full well that you bought an illegal, unlicensed copy. It is
because of thieves like you that innocent consumers like me have to
put up with stupid, crappy, foolish technology fixes like the
activation that Adobe has just introduced.

Now, I think Adobe overcharges for their product, and they
certainly shouldn't be trying to charge American prices calibrated
for American standards of living and costs of doing business in
less affluent countries such as the Phillipines, but that doesn't
excuse you from stealing the product.

--
Patrick Martin
http://www.patrickmartin.com
 
Well, now another popular software -- Norton SystemWorks and
AntiVirus is going the activation route too. For alternative
program free AVG Antivirus has been mentioned. Is it any good?
-bruce
Hello Bruce.

I would use AVG above any other and not because its free,its very good.I'm UK based and many companies including those selling PC goods use AVG on their systems,try it.
Regards
Carl
 
Hi Framer...no offense to you...i understand what you mean but i also understand phill's part...we all live in this world and surely get the point where you and dalephill stands...its all a matter of what makes one happy with what they have...good for you, you are happy with the softwares you got, but for some people they are not...so why push your point, is it hard to understand? dalephill doesn't seem to be promoting the use of piracy, just merely stating his experience with it....if i were you, stop provoking, and just accept the fact that its happening...It seems that you really can afford to buy the real ones, no wonder you're so hooked up, maybe the marketing strategies of software companies is directed on your type...so why fight it? For me, if a company haven't reach the level of marketing or promoting to a lower class than where you're at, its either they don't care or just haven't formed much effective and efficient strategy to cater to lower levels. If i were a good CEO or the head of a marketing department of software companies...i would listen to what dalephill is saying...right now, there are more numbers of people using pirated and it will be unstoppable if software companies won't listen to the types of dalephill who bravely speak out and voiced out their grievances...these people... ('cause i don't think dalephill is the only one out there, i would say he's just one in millions) is a pool of potential consumers for big software companies that is obviously untapped...so again, why fight it? Isn't a fact that things happen because they are percussions of a previous move that obviously wasn't succesfful enough? In this case, maybe software companies forgot that there are C and D markets, and the technology inventors forgot that they were loopholes in the technology, and one of them is piracy....just an opinion.
Dalephil,

Maybe the reason Photoshop is so expensive is because it is
directed towards professional use, I use it and lots of Adobe
applications professionally and make good money utilizing them.

If I wasn't using the software in a professional atmosphere I would
buy a legal copy of Photoshop Elements II, Paint Shop Pro 8 etc
which are oriented for consumer use and priced accordingly.

I am trying not to be rude but do you understand that?

Just curious...
 
The Prices are way to extreme for the average user,one has to scrape and save and or beg borrow and steal to be able to affored it.. but there time is comming with gimp out there and some bad publicty maybe just maybe they might knock off a few dollars, Hmmmmm naaaaaaaaaaaaa there to greedy...........

well put...
Software piracy is an issue for sure but only because people don't
see value in the "real" product.

Frankly, > $500 for PS here in Australia is just idiotic and I
really can't blame those who look for ways to get "cheaper"
versions.

I work in software development and Adobe products have a huge
margin bordering on the extreme.

Oh well, must get back to watching that DVD of Pirates that isn't
out yet ?
dalephill,

You are using the results of other people's investment of time and
money for your own benefit without paying them a dime. You know
full well that you bought an illegal, unlicensed copy. It is
because of thieves like you that innocent consumers like me have to
put up with stupid, crappy, foolish technology fixes like the
activation that Adobe has just introduced.

Now, I think Adobe overcharges for their product, and they
certainly shouldn't be trying to charge American prices calibrated
for American standards of living and costs of doing business in
less affluent countries such as the Phillipines, but that doesn't
excuse you from stealing the product.

--
Patrick Martin
http://www.patrickmartin.com
 
wow I am impressed sir.... those are sensible words....and directed towards a meaningfull reply.

I understand completely what your saying.. Sure its high priced for the professional or the higher end.. and that may warrant a higher price,I might add its a powerfull program as well, I must say every day is a new day in PS...ok but back to the answer. You have to remember we are all expressing our views, if I were making 100K a year or more I wouldn't think much about it. but its us poor folks that cannot afford that, does that excuse us???? noo not at all. and when your retired and come across it, 4 verses 600... and even the pesos being 55 to 1 600 dollars is 33,000 pesos a lot of monies here... and with it ever so abundant and on every street corner, holy moes... and if you look back at my original statement I mearly stated what I bought for and that I did not have to activate.

appriciate your being civil..
Dalephil,

Maybe the reason Photoshop is so expensive is because it is
directed towards professional use, I use it and lots of Adobe
applications professionally and make good money utilizing them.

If I wasn't using the software in a professional atmosphere I would
buy a legal copy of Photoshop Elements II, Paint Shop Pro 8 etc
which are oriented for consumer use and priced accordingly.

I am trying not to be rude but do you understand that?

Just curious...
 
Rick, ok let me ask you this, are you adhearing to the rules of your sophware.??? and only putting it on one pc.?? no no just one, not your laptop or your extra desktop as well. even though these are all in your house and under one roof, if you have it on anymore than one then your doing the same thang. think about it.. that is my grip and why I use the hacked, today we are finding it more and more convienant to have more than one pc, I have 4, including the laptop, the reason I have more than is is its just convienant, while one is busy or while I am editing I can be busy on the other, it frees me up, but now ok so I pay 600 dollars for ps, put it on one machine, and I am now confined to that machine. or wait now if I install it on my other machine I should pay them another 600 yeah right.!!!!!!!!!!!!!! this is where there screwed up.. there sucking every penny out of us.. and if you can honestly say you do not have any other sophware an any of your other machines or laptop, without paying for additional copies My hat is off to ya.

Good day...
http://global.bsa.org/resources/2002-07-15.133.pdf

If you have 3 or more illegal copies of copyrighted software then
this probably applies to you ...

quote "3rd offense to subsequent offenses: Imprisonment of 6 years
and 1
day to 9 years plus a fine ranging from P500,000 to P1.5 million."

Have a nice day.

Rick Stirling - paid full retail for my copy of PS 7.0.1
I'll never have to worry about activation, plus can buy it for 4
dollars hacked and complete.
 
If you want to make your choice load and clear, get a professional computer. There is currently only one type of pro machine that runs photoshop, and that is a Mac. The G5 is the fastest personal computer in the world, which is nice too. It's also much cheaper than it's wannabe competition. Even a $799 eMac will outpace the majority of users on this site. A 1GHZ G4 is more than enough to handle the tiny 6MP (or smaller) files most work with here. But again, if speed is your primary concern, the Dual 2GHZ G5 is the best of the best. Go to an Apple dealer now if you haven't already. Bring a CD full of your favorite images, use Photoshop, and experience the speed, stability, and design. You'll have a hard time going back to anything less than a Mac.

Oh yeah, THERE IS NO "ACTIVATION" FOR MAC "CS" BUYERS! THAT'S FOR WINDOWS SUCKERS ONLY!

-¥akuza
Considering that Adobe has decided to punish legitimate software
purchasers of PS CS by subjecting them to product activation pain,
they should take cue from Intuit who are regretting similar
procedure introduced in Turbo Tax last year. Atleast they have now
set everything right - see

http://rss.com.com/2100-1046_3-5088604.html?part=rss&tag=feed&subj=news

It is just a matter of making your voice heard loud and clear and
through actions (by not upgrading).
 
I'll never have to worry about activation, plus can buy it for 4
dollars hacked and complete.
----------------------------------------

Ok, I'm going to throw in my two cents here:

I do only basic image editing, so Paint Shop Pro 8 is just fine for me. I bought a legit copy of it at Costco. Elements 2.0 came with my 10D, so I'm covered there, BUT... companies like Adobe and Microsoft need to take their heads (and wallets) out of the clouds for just a minute and THINK about their policies.

Example: If you do buy Photoshop, or Frontpage, or pretty much any piece of software from either of these companies (others, too), and read that agreement you have to agree to before installation (which almost no one reads), then you'll see something interesting: You are "required" by them to purchase a completely separate copy of that software for EACH computer you own. So, let's say the typical "Joe Smith" family is home. He has a laptop, and the kids have their school computer. He buys Photoshop (or Frontpage, Office, Picture it, or whatever from these major companies). He is expected by their law, to buy TWO copies of each program. I'm in the U.S., but this applies to pretty much any typical country and middle-income family. WHO can afford 2 or more copies of the same software for each computer in their home?

This is the biggest reason people buy/swap/download "hacked" software. Much the same reason teens download so much free music... CDs have been around forever, but still cost $16-$20 each. If Adobe, Microsoft, etc, want this practice to slow down to a crawl, then they need to do two things: 1) Lower the price of the software, and 2) Adopt the policy that ONE copy can be installed on all computers that are at the SAME residential address (not per computer) with existing policies staying in effect for actual businesses (we're talking about home users here).

Sure, it costs a lot to develop software. But so much you expect people to pay $1200+ for two copies for their laptop and desktop? It's great if someone CAN afford to do that, but 99% of the families and even a chunk of working professionals I know can't afford that. What do they do? Avoid the product altogether. Which is better? Selling one copy folks can use on all their computers in their home, or, not selling even that one, because you expect them to buy several copies? They will not buy - they will seek free alternatives. The major label loses, not them.

Heads out of the clouds, big wigs. Head out of the clouds.
 
Yes. - I only have 1 computer. By the way, it's spelled SOFTWARE.
 
Your right I did write that... excatly so... I would never have to
worry, and I bought for 4 dollars... yes sir....

Also I did not decide it was hacked.. I assumed it was.. and
didn't know what to expect untill I opened it.. and once opend if
it worked or not...

So again I will ask you at what point was I guilty and of what.????
I do not recall ever if anyone was ever charged with a crime
because they assumed.!!!
As I said earlier, "reason to believe" is reason enough. The moment you "assumed" is when you had reason to believe. As the old saying goes, "Ignorance of the law is no excuse." No matter how you rationalize your position, it doen't hold water. But you are the one that has to live with yourself...

From another thread, you said "I am a simple man, very simple, not a greedy bone in my body. I do not require much, roof over my head, woman that loves me, (love you baby) and small portion of food on the table.. I am content with that... " Yup, life doesn't get much simpler than life in the Big House! Stripes make a real fashion statement!

Something to think about though, when buying hacked/counterfeit software: The people that hack and counterfit software often have a warped sense of humour - they will load up the software with viruses and bad stuff. If I remember correctly, I think about 5 years ago a counterfeiter in China put out 2 versions of Win98. One version was meant for sale in China, and was a faithful copy. The other version was meant for the rest of the world, and was full of viruses. So when you buy your $4 software, just remember you get what you pay for. Personally, for me, the risk is not worth it.
 
Your correct, alot of sophware hack or otherwise does have virus or etc..

you have to take the good with the bad..

generally your throwing away more than you keep.

yet at 4 dollars it does allow one to trial the sophware and test it fully without restrictions. usually the 15 or 30 days to allow one to try just is not enough time, I know its not for me. I am gone for weeks at a time and when I get back it would have expired and if I try again and it will not let you as I have already used the same name.. hmmm

I have said on here many times I do not condon it, or promote any type of pirating I mearly stated I could buy for 4 dollars.. and not have to activate..

I did however get ahold of one to see what I was buying, and tried to register it..

The stripes remain off...
Your right I did write that... excatly so... I would never have to
worry, and I bought for 4 dollars... yes sir....

Also I did not decide it was hacked.. I assumed it was.. and
didn't know what to expect untill I opened it.. and once opend if
it worked or not...

So again I will ask you at what point was I guilty and of what.????
I do not recall ever if anyone was ever charged with a crime
because they assumed.!!!
As I said earlier, "reason to believe" is reason enough. The
moment you "assumed" is when you had reason to believe. As the old
saying goes, "Ignorance of the law is no excuse." No matter how
you rationalize your position, it doen't hold water. But you are
the one that has to live with yourself...

From another thread, you said "I am a simple man, very simple, not
a greedy bone in my body. I do not require much, roof over my head,
woman that loves me, (love you baby) and small portion of food on
the table.. I am content with that... " Yup, life doesn't get
much simpler than life in the Big House! Stripes make a real
fashion statement!

Something to think about though, when buying hacked/counterfeit
software: The people that hack and counterfit software often have
a warped sense of humour - they will load up the software with
viruses and bad stuff. If I remember correctly, I think about 5
years ago a counterfeiter in China put out 2 versions of Win98.
One version was meant for sale in China, and was a faithful copy.
The other version was meant for the rest of the world, and was full
of viruses. So when you buy your $4 software, just remember you
get what you pay for. Personally, for me, the risk is not worth it.
 
But your correct in all you say, and they do need to come out of the clouds, or wait don't you mean there multimillion dollar homes, that all the ceo's have been enjoy with your hard earned monies, so thay can keep sucking us in with new versions every 2-3 months. and rather than give to you they charge.!!!!!!! Hey I am all for buying legit, in fact I own many, and the reason I bought them is because I get free upgrades as long as I own it.. so yeah I bought, it was expensive but not like adobe's but still I had to think about it.. but I did buy.. and have been getting the free versions when they come out.... Now this is my kind of company.!!!!!!!!! Not greedy.!!!!!!!

thanks for putting in your two cents.!!!!!!!!!!
I'll never have to worry about activation, plus can buy it for 4
dollars hacked and complete.
----------------------------------------

Ok, I'm going to throw in my two cents here:

I do only basic image editing, so Paint Shop Pro 8 is just fine for
me. I bought a legit copy of it at Costco. Elements 2.0 came with
my 10D, so I'm covered there, BUT... companies like Adobe and
Microsoft need to take their heads (and wallets) out of the clouds
for just a minute and THINK about their policies.

Example: If you do buy Photoshop, or Frontpage, or pretty much any
piece of software from either of these companies (others, too), and
read that agreement you have to agree to before installation (which
almost no one reads), then you'll see something interesting: You
are "required" by them to purchase a completely separate copy of
that software for EACH computer you own. So, let's say the typical
"Joe Smith" family is home. He has a laptop, and the kids have
their school computer. He buys Photoshop (or Frontpage, Office,
Picture it, or whatever from these major companies). He is
expected by their law, to buy TWO copies of each program. I'm in
the U.S., but this applies to pretty much any typical country and
middle-income family. WHO can afford 2 or more copies of the same
software for each computer in their home?

This is the biggest reason people buy/swap/download "hacked"
software. Much the same reason teens download so much free
music... CDs have been around forever, but still cost $16-$20 each.
If Adobe, Microsoft, etc, want this practice to slow down to a
crawl, then they need to do two things: 1) Lower the price of
the software, and 2) Adopt the policy that ONE copy can be
installed on all computers that are at the SAME residential address
(not per computer) with existing policies staying in effect for
actual businesses (we're talking about home users here).

Sure, it costs a lot to develop software. But so much you expect
people to pay $1200+ for two copies for their laptop and desktop?
It's great if someone CAN afford to do that, but 99% of the
families and even a chunk of working professionals I know can't
afford that. What do they do? Avoid the product altogether.
Which is better? Selling one copy folks can use on all their
computers in their home, or, not selling even that one, because you
expect them to buy several copies? They will not buy - they will
seek free alternatives. The major label loses, not them.

Heads out of the clouds, big wigs. Head out of the clouds.
 
There is currently only one type of pro machine that runs
photoshop, and that is a Mac. The G5 is the fastest personal
computer in the world, which is nice too. It's also much cheaper
than it's wannabe competition. Even a $799 eMac will outpace the
majority of users on this site. A 1GHZ G4 is more than enough to
handle the tiny 6MP (or smaller) files most work with here. But
again, if speed is your primary concern, the Dual 2GHZ G5 is the
best of the best. Go to an Apple dealer now if you haven't already.
Bring a CD full of your favorite images, use Photoshop, and
experience the speed, stability, and design. You'll have a hard
time going back to anything less than a Mac.
we got ourselves a joker. Funny man Yakuza. And you ALMOST sound like you believe it too!....
Oh yeah, THERE IS NO "ACTIVATION" FOR MAC "CS" BUYERS! THAT'S FOR
WINDOWS SUCKERS ONLY!
That's because apple users are so inept and software choices so limited, that piracy hasn't been as much of a problem on the macs... also they account for what? 1% of the market?
-¥akuza
Considering that Adobe has decided to punish legitimate software
purchasers of PS CS by subjecting them to product activation pain,
they should take cue from Intuit who are regretting similar
procedure introduced in Turbo Tax last year. Atleast they have now
set everything right - see

http://rss.com.com/2100-1046_3-5088604.html?part=rss&tag=feed&subj=news

It is just a matter of making your voice heard loud and clear and
through actions (by not upgrading).
 
I just hope that to everyone thinking that they are so good enough because they have the original softwares, are as honest as they admit they are...it may be the only thing good that they've done in their life that's why they are so protective...its also psychological...
well put...
Software piracy is an issue for sure but only because people don't
see value in the "real" product.

Frankly, > $500 for PS here in Australia is just idiotic and I
really can't blame those who look for ways to get "cheaper"
versions.

I work in software development and Adobe products have a huge
margin bordering on the extreme.

Oh well, must get back to watching that DVD of Pirates that isn't
out yet ?
dalephill,

You are using the results of other people's investment of time and
money for your own benefit without paying them a dime. You know
full well that you bought an illegal, unlicensed copy. It is
because of thieves like you that innocent consumers like me have to
put up with stupid, crappy, foolish technology fixes like the
activation that Adobe has just introduced.

Now, I think Adobe overcharges for their product, and they
certainly shouldn't be trying to charge American prices calibrated
for American standards of living and costs of doing business in
less affluent countries such as the Phillipines, but that doesn't
excuse you from stealing the product.

--
Patrick Martin
http://www.patrickmartin.com
 
Hi,

I've read all these posts on a dial up at 1p a minute and find it staggering some of the contributions.

Here in the UK if you receive stolen goods knowingly then you are as guilty as the thief.

If I went to a car boot sale and bought photoshop from a stall at £10 ( I know it costs £500 ) I would know that it was a copy therefore I'm buying stolen goods.

This forum is about photography and if one spent time and money say to Yosemite and took wonderful pics for posters and someone copied them and sold them at a fraction you would be a bit miffed.
i
There is currently only one type of pro machine that runs
photoshop, and that is a Mac. The G5 is the fastest personal
computer in the world, which is nice too. It's also much cheaper
than it's wannabe competition. Even a $799 eMac will outpace the
majority of users on this site. A 1GHZ G4 is more than enough to
handle the tiny 6MP (or smaller) files most work with here. But
again, if speed is your primary concern, the Dual 2GHZ G5 is the
best of the best. Go to an Apple dealer now if you haven't already.
Bring a CD full of your favorite images, use Photoshop, and
experience the speed, stability, and design. You'll have a hard
time going back to anything less than a Mac.
we got ourselves a joker. Funny man Yakuza. And you ALMOST sound
like you believe it too!....
Oh yeah, THERE IS NO "ACTIVATION" FOR MAC "CS" BUYERS! THAT'S FOR
WINDOWS SUCKERS ONLY!
That's because apple users are so inept and software choices so
limited, that piracy hasn't been as much of a problem on the
macs... also they account for what? 1% of the market?
-¥akuza
Considering that Adobe has decided to punish legitimate software
purchasers of PS CS by subjecting them to product activation pain,
they should take cue from Intuit who are regretting similar
procedure introduced in Turbo Tax last year. Atleast they have now
set everything right - see

http://rss.com.com/2100-1046_3-5088604.html?part=rss&tag=feed&subj=news

It is just a matter of making your voice heard loud and clear and
through actions (by not upgrading).
 
Some folks here are vigorously defending the actions of Adobe and slamming those who point out activation is NOT a good thing for end-users, seemingly taking the view that activation is some new, innovative, user requested feature instead of it being a completely unnecessary (from the guy who's paying $600 point of view), and potentially extremely disruptive burden on customers.

I know, many of you have said you won't mind a bit.

Many thought my situation was 'extreme' and that Adobe shouldn't care about such extreme scenarios. Putting aside the fact that other posters on this thread with similar situations undermine the claim that mine is an 'extreme' case, here's one that probrably 80% of users WILL eventually run into:

(copied)
Case in point.... I own three computers here at home, and a couple more
at the office. Two of the three are what I think of as my "primary"
tools, the third is an older unit that is fine for basic stuff like word
processing and e-mail, but I wouldn't want to edit a 10 MB image on it.

My desktop developed a problem back in December. It had a fully licensed
copy of XP. I took it to a local repair facility (as per my warranty) and
they said
it would be 10-15 days to get it fixed. I wasn;t a happy camper, but I
worked out
a transition plan. I would move the most processor intensive apps to my
laptop,
hook that up to an external monitor and put my basic Office-type stuff on
the
older AMDK62 desktop .... one problem with
that... I had a few apps that would not run under W98, the OS on that unit.

So I called MS--waited about 90 minutes listening to elevator music and MS
commercials-- and got a very nice polite CSR, explained the problem,
signed an oath in blood that I was not trying to rip them off and got an
activation code. Went thru the BS of installing an OS, then all the apps,
and was
back in the swing in 36 hours.

The 10-15 days ended up being three weeks, but I finally got my repaired
graphics desktop back. (Never have a computer break at Christmastime)
My time has a certain amount of value, so I had the repair people restore
my data and apps, including the OS. This requires reactivation. Another call
to MS. Another wait. Another (eventual) fix....another couple of hours
wasted.

Not the biggest problem in the world, right?

But what happens when you have to do this with MS, MM, Adobe, Corel and
every
other vendor from whom you've purchased s/w?? What happens when
ABC software moves to Nepal or Korea and you have to make the calls at
3AM to get a live person on the phone ?? It's not the end of the world,
but it has the potential for an enormous loss of productivity and a royal
PITA.
 
well put...
Software piracy is an issue for sure but only because people don't
see value in the "real" product.

Frankly, > $500 for PS here in Australia is just idiotic and I
really can't blame those who look for ways to get "cheaper"
versions.

I work in software development and Adobe products have a huge
margin bordering on the extreme.

Oh well, must get back to watching that DVD of Pirates that isn't
out yet ?
dalephill,

You are using the results of other people's investment of time and
money for your own benefit without paying them a dime. You know
full well that you bought an illegal, unlicensed copy. It is
because of thieves like you that innocent consumers like me have to
put up with stupid, crappy, foolish technology fixes like the
activation that Adobe has just introduced.

Now, I think Adobe overcharges for their product, and they
certainly shouldn't be trying to charge American prices calibrated
for American standards of living and costs of doing business in
less affluent countries such as the Phillipines, but that doesn't
excuse you from stealing the product.

--
Patrick Martin
http://www.patrickmartin.com
 

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