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Abandon "likes" a good of a bad idea?

Abandon "likes" a good of a bad idea?

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...except as a gauge of interest by others of a particular comment/observation. Next, I look to see how many have replied or added their own comment/disagreement.

I have never looked to likes as an indication of the value of what I contribute, and have found that I often disagree with strongly liked posts.

If I only ever looked at the 'liked' posts here and on other fora, I would incur a severe restriction of range of the possible perspectives. I think it is best to wade through several views of a topic in order to synthesize a defensible position of my own.
 
i appreciate thumbs-up counts as a quick-and-dirty "democratic quality index" on the usefulness of a given thread's posts. it's not a perfect measure by any means--too many people find conflict-for-conflict's sake or tribal-stan-identity tantrums "useful" and worth up-vote promotion, for example. nonetheless, the counts can help cut chaff when scanning for answers.

that said, i'd argue the thumbs-up system's overall value as an index is roughly halved by the absence of an accompanying thumbs-down count--which dpreview used to have?
 
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Re: Abandon "likes" a good of a bad idea?
deednets said:
I caught myself looking at certain threads and then I only read the top scorers. Like the news items where the categories are - among others - Most Popular.
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There are those instances that the THUMBS-UP icon serve your need.
deednets said:
Would one not want to be under that topic?
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"does not bother me none"
deednets said:
Will leave it at that, couldn't help thinking that maybe the first person to reply would write something along the lines of me trying to indulge in my own ego and then this person would get 150 "likes" ...
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seems to me you resent being upstaged.
deednets said:
Possible. Bot of little consequence, except: I wouldn't be surprised.

And that says it all. For me.

Thanks for participating! I am aware that the black & white options are a bit crude but since you can't give half a thumbs up, I think this is a case where a truly binary approach would be so far off. ;-)
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:-| There is 45 degree emoji that I interpret as 1/2 thumbs-up.

this is NEUTRAL emoji.
this is NEUTRAL emoji.
deednets said:
Deed
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Have you used the emojis provided in Forums?
I find it very convenient to express my "feeling" on the post.
There are inexhaustible emoji on-line or you could create your own.

In case you did not noticed, the Title of my post is the theme of my post.
the first line of the body references the post I am responding.
More likely than not, my reponse will generate THUMBS DOWN.
 
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kaphinga said:
The option of a 'like' button can cut down on clutter. I use it on two occasions:

1) When someone posts an image it's good to be able to acknowledge that it's a nice image without cluttering up the thread with a lot of "nice image" comments.

2) When I agree strongly with a post and don't have anything new to add, I click the "like" button. It basically means "ditto" what he/she said.

If I think I have something new to add to the discussion, I comment.
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And for the exact same reasons there should be a thumbs down button for when I strongly disagree with the post but don’t have anything new to add or know that when I add something it will get me in trouble with the administration.
 
deednets said:
techjedi said:
deednets said:
I have been using dpreview from way back when you could send an email to Phil Askey - and he would actually on occasion answer ...

When the thumbs-up was introduced, I thought it was to satisfy the like-gatherers, you post a pic and get 27 likes. Feels good right? On closer inspection you might get those 27 likes from people who you also like in your little bubble. Who knows.

The dynamics of "likes" have always intrigued be and not in a good way: there was a question regarding a particular feature of a camera. "Google it" was the first response - and it started hailing likes. RTFM another one that originally got you a lot of likes.

Those items wore off after a while and now the dynamics have shifted. Some people always seem to side with the likeable characters in a forum and some with the most controversial. The benefits? Dunno.

I caught myself looking at certain threads and then I only read the top scorers. Like the news items where the categories are - among others - Most Popular.

Would one not want to be under that topic?

So what exactly are the benefits of this thumbs-up culture. I keep on seeing screen grabs of Twitter accounts where a person only has to say a word in order to get 400.000 likes within minutes. More even, depending on how offensive the word is. Or outrageous.

Will leave it at that, couldn't help thinking that maybe the first person to reply would write something along the lines of me trying to indulge in my own ego and then this person would get 150 "likes" ...

Possible. Bot of little consequence, except: I wouldn't be surprised.

And that says it all. For me.

Thanks for participating! I am aware that the black & white options are a bit crude but since you can't give half a thumbs up, I think this is a case where a truly binary approach would be so far off. ;-)

Deed
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Likes are not perfect, but I think DPR is one of the few places they generally work. I find that liked posts that get above 5 likes tend to actually reflect the prevailing opinions. I rarely find post threads where likes seem artificially padded.

I have seen some really effective voting systems that use a currency points that is granted somewhat randomly to active users in good standing. These points are used up when spent so you have to choose which posts you think are worthy of rewarding. The receiving poster gains "karma" when a moderation point is spent on their post. This really cuts down on people padding posts because they either wont have a mod point or they wont waste it. Its not perfect, but I think it worked overall and did a great job of distributing the burden of moderation to the whole community without the mob effect.
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On occasion I have seen highly personal attack posts getting high like rates, before been removed by a mod. Censorship for sure, but it takes the steam out of those characters who like to make fun at the expense of others.
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It does happen and its not great. I tend to unsubscribe from updates for threads that start to go south.
 
deednets said:
mamallama said:
Abandon "likes" is a good idea. They have become useless and meaningless. You become suspicious when some posters get 5 likes in less than one minute after the post.
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57549 posts?

You want to talk about it?

😎
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Why make it personal?

At least I have had only one identity for over 16 years.
 
Hi Deed,

I can not agree more with you (for once), I had already started threads about this real problem.

Trolls can continue to sleep well, their preferred tool is not on the way to be removed when I see your poll.

So of course you are right in my opinion, I am convinced that removing the likes would add more serenity to a forum which has a real problem. I wonder what beginners think about photographers when they start participating in the dpr forums.

It won't change alas, we will have the forum that we deserve...

Regards,


Chris
 
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I am convinced that removing the likes would add more serenity to a forum which has a real problem.
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Nope. The troll posts are relentless, even when they fail to get a single Like. Folks can be very stubborn.

:-|
 
Tuloom said:
David1961 said:
The way I see it, there is a very serious flaw with the current "Like" system.

Members can currently edit their posts to whatever they want to, even a total different meaning from the original, after members have "liked" the post.

Members should not be allowed to edit their posts after someone has "liked" it.
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I don't know which is greater on the life atrocity-0-meter:

Stolen avatars or changing a post after a number of likes to read, "anyone who gave this post a like is a big poody head."
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Thank you for your opinion and I see you haven't posted anything that proves what I said is not 100% accurate :-)

The above plus the other reasons I posted earlier is why the Likes count on any post is meaningless for me.

If other people are happy with Likes I have no issue with that. It is their choice.

I just call it as I see it and no-one has proved me wrong ;-)
 
If you are going to have a thumbs up button, you must also allow the opposite, a thumbs down button. Otherwise all you get is one side of the debate.

If you do not, or will not, allow the thumbs down button, then just do away with both.
 
GodSpeaks said:
If you are going to have a thumbs up button, you must also allow the opposite, a thumbs down button. Otherwise all you get is one side of the debate.
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Initially, they did, but it was abused. Not sure why the abused would be different for "thumbs down" and "thumbs up", though.
GodSpeaks said:
If you do not, or will not, allow the thumbs down button, then just do away with both.
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I like how it's done on FM -- the usernames of all those giving likes is listed when you hover over the likes.
 
techjedi said:
deednets said:
techjedi said:
deednets said:
I have been using dpreview from way back when you could send an email to Phil Askey - and he would actually on occasion answer ...

When the thumbs-up was introduced, I thought it was to satisfy the like-gatherers, you post a pic and get 27 likes. Feels good right? On closer inspection you might get those 27 likes from people who you also like in your little bubble. Who knows.

The dynamics of "likes" have always intrigued be and not in a good way: there was a question regarding a particular feature of a camera. "Google it" was the first response - and it started hailing likes. RTFM another one that originally got you a lot of likes.

Those items wore off after a while and now the dynamics have shifted. Some people always seem to side with the likeable characters in a forum and some with the most controversial. The benefits? Dunno.

I caught myself looking at certain threads and then I only read the top scorers. Like the news items where the categories are - among others - Most Popular.

Would one not want to be under that topic?

So what exactly are the benefits of this thumbs-up culture. I keep on seeing screen grabs of Twitter accounts where a person only has to say a word in order to get 400.000 likes within minutes. More even, depending on how offensive the word is. Or outrageous.

Will leave it at that, couldn't help thinking that maybe the first person to reply would write something along the lines of me trying to indulge in my own ego and then this person would get 150 "likes" ...

Possible. Bot of little consequence, except: I wouldn't be surprised.

And that says it all. For me.

Thanks for participating! I am aware that the black & white options are a bit crude but since you can't give half a thumbs up, I think this is a case where a truly binary approach would be so far off. ;-)

Deed
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Likes are not perfect, but I think DPR is one of the few places they generally work. I find that liked posts that get above 5 likes tend to actually reflect the prevailing opinions. I rarely find post threads where likes seem artificially padded.

I have seen some really effective voting systems that use a currency points that is granted somewhat randomly to active users in good standing. These points are used up when spent so you have to choose which posts you think are worthy of rewarding. The receiving poster gains "karma" when a moderation point is spent on their post. This really cuts down on people padding posts because they either wont have a mod point or they wont waste it. Its not perfect, but I think it worked overall and did a great job of distributing the burden of moderation to the whole community without the mob effect.
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On occasion I have seen highly personal attack posts getting high like rates, before been removed by a mod. Censorship for sure, but it takes the steam out of those characters who like to make fun at the expense of others.
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It does happen and its not great. I tend to unsubscribe from updates for threads that start to go south.
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I try to be as abrasive as i can, as often as i can. I go out of my way to not be PC, and i wear it like a badge on my sleeve. You should try it, that way when you get likes you know darn sure it has nothing to do with camaraderie. :-D
 
Max Iso said:
I try to be as abrasive as i can, as often as i can. I go out of my way to not be PC, and i wear it like a badge on my sleeve. You should try it, that way when you get likes you know darn sure it has nothing to do with camaraderie. :-D
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Max

if you are not on my ignore list you haven’t tried enough!

HaHa

Take care
 
Max Iso said:
I try to be as abrasive as i can, as often as i can. I go out of my way to not be PC, and i wear it like a badge on my sleeve. You should try it, that way when you get likes you know darn sure it has nothing to do with camaraderie. :-D
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ISO1600 for you then?? ;-)

But: would I leave my kids or - beware - the cat with you for 30 minutes? My Vespa?

Possibly not.
 
Max Iso said:
I try to be as abrasive as i can, as often as i can. I go out of my way to not be PC, and i wear it like a badge on my sleeve. You should try it, that way when you get likes you know darn sure it has nothing to do with camaraderie. :-D
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Sounds like one of our leaders.
 
mamallama said:
Max Iso said:
I try to be as abrasive as i can, as often as i can. I go out of my way to not be PC, and i wear it like a badge on my sleeve. You should try it, that way when you get likes you know darn sure it has nothing to do with camaraderie. :-D
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Sounds like one of our leaders.
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A great man no doubt. Or were you referring to DPR staff?
 
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