X100v lens vs Zeiss and Leica observation - I am stunned

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I have yet to put my finger on why, but if anything the images from the X100V are a bit flat. The term "microcontrast" gets thrown around a lot without explaining what it is...but I suspect that's the culprit here. Yes, there is sharpness, but not much "pop".

Take a look at pretty much every image posted and you may start to see what I mean.
 
In the comparison I saw right here on this forum, the X100V was moderately sharper than the X100F wide open, and noticeably softer than the 23 f/2.
The initial "independent" reviews showed some nice images. Now the device is out for sale, I don't see the same level of output quality from regular users doing normal pictures.

Yes the new lens is sharper wide open up close but who keeps shooting that kind of images is beyond me.

Anyways, I also would like to see the OP's claim supported by some examples. Without proof, we are just speculating.
I do wonder at these prove it posts whenever anyone ventures an opinion.

Testing this stuff is a skill in itself needing rigorous controls and exactly similar conditions.

Why not look at the reviews and Gordon Laing on cameralabs seems to be rather impressed and gives samples.
To my eyes, the XF35f2 is better than the XF23f2 which is better than the X100V. So claiming that his is a great lens is an overstatement. The new V is a good product but it's not "that" good
I do agree that Gordon Laing samples look great to me, on the other side the samples in photographyblog look just ok.
Same way the glow effect in the XF23 sample in a previous post look very interesting to me since I cannot reproduce it with my copy in such distances.
 
Here are some examples of what the x100v can do - mostly straight ooc, maybe some contrast for the BW.
As you can see, extremely competent, but let’s get real.

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It will “get real” for me when you are able to show a set of identical (or near identical) images from each camera, so a fair comparison can be made. Until then, it’s just another opinion worthy of a much or as little value as you wish to place on it. Plain and simple. I’m not saying that there might not be a difference... even perhaps a fairly sizable one, but I’m not one to be swayed by brand names or statements that aren’t in any way substantiated or backed up with real examples worthy of comparison.

Sorry, but I’m sort of a “show me” kinda guy. :-)

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Here are some examples of what the x100v can do - mostly straight ooc, maybe some contrast for the BW.
As you can see, extremely competent, but let’s get real.

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It will “get real” for me when you are able to show a set of identical (or near identical) images from each camera, so a fair comparison can be made. Until then, it’s just another opinion worthy of a much or as little value as you wish to place on it. Plain and simple. I’m not saying that there might not be a difference... even perhaps a fairly sizable one, but I’m not one to be swayed by brand names or statements that aren’t in any way substantiated or backed up with real examples worthy of comparison.

Sorry, but I’m sort of a “show me” kinda guy. :-)

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Fujifilm X Forum Co-Mod

that’s alright. I’m more a get out and use the gear kind of guy. Good luck figuring this one out.
 
Here are some examples of what the x100v can do - mostly straight ooc, maybe some contrast for the BW.
As you can see, extremely competent, but let’s get real.

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64ce7fec48e54dfbba80f3582c9e396f.jpg

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It will “get real” for me when you are able to show a set of identical (or near identical) images from each camera, so a fair comparison can be made. Until then, it’s just another opinion worthy of a much or as little value as you wish to place on it. Plain and simple. I’m not saying that there might not be a difference... even perhaps a fairly sizable one, but I’m not one to be swayed by brand names or statements that aren’t in any way substantiated or backed up with real examples worthy of comparison.

Sorry, but I’m sort of a “show me” kinda guy. :-)
that’s alright. I’m more a get out and use the gear kind of guy. Good luck figuring this one out.
It won’t be me... perhaps someone else might want to offer a true comparison or be interested in the results. Your example images are fine, but IMHO they really do little to speak to your “let’s get real” comment. I’ve never really been swayed by the Leica siren call, but respect those that have. Lots of people swear by it. Probably a rather OT discussion for this forum in any event.

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Maybe my copy maybe better than yours, it is quite outstanding and better than also my Fuji 35 f2 50 f2 and 27 f2.8 for sure IMHO

All is in the eyes of the beholder
If the lens on the X100V is “better” and/or “sharper” than the 35 F2, 23 F2, and 50 F2 people will say it’s “clinical” and lacks “character” and “magic”. which is how some owners of the 23 1.4, 35 1.4, and 56 1.2 describe the F2 lenses. Remember Fuji supposedly made the 35 1.4 imperfect on purpose, not wanting to hit high marks on the MTF charts.
 
I have yet to put my finger on why, but if anything the images from the X100V are a bit flat. The term "microcontrast" gets thrown around a lot without explaining what it is...but I suspect that's the culprit here. Yes, there is sharpness, but not much "pop".

Take a look at pretty much every image posted and you may start to see what I mean.
aside from a few positive features, Fuji has been

over-hyped for too long and it's now catching up

happens for most things from cars to cameras

a miracle when it arrives, not so great in time

few things can stand the test of time; know the difference
 
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I have yet to put my finger on why, but if anything the images from the X100V are a bit flat. The term "microcontrast" gets thrown around a lot without explaining what it is...but I suspect that's the culprit here. Yes, there is sharpness, but not much "pop".

Take a look at pretty much every image posted and you may start to see what I mean.
Thats exactly how i see it. Yes its sharp. And clearly sharper than the older lens. But its kind of clinical. It doesnt have the pop from 35mm f1.4 and the colors from 23mm f1.4

Again its a very capable camera with nice rendering but it doesnt have its own unique character

Would i use it? Yes of course. Would I sell my xf35mm f2 to get this? No
 
 Leica ME 240   Zeiss C Biogon T* f2.8/35mm       1/125 f2.8   ISO 3200
Leica ME 240 Zeiss C Biogon T* f2.8/35mm 1/125 f2.8 ISO 3200



Fuji x100v 1/125 f2.8 IS0 5000
Fuji x100v 1/125 f2.8 IS0 5000





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Leica ME 240   Summicron f2 35mm f2.8 ISO 3200
Leica ME 240 Summicron f2 35mm f2.8 ISO 3200

All are very close

Conclusion - the x100v is underrated and a great buy and you are getting a tremendous camera for the price

I love Leica also but try to be honest with my personal assessment and there is a FUJI feel, a Leica feel, and a zeiss lens feel.

Depend what you are looking for

Sorry took so long for images had to go shopping for family today very busy and store shelves were emply where I live but finally delivered the groceries to family and now can relax at home and enjoy my new camera




 
The Leica shots are underexposed, put them on a tripod and shoot them at their lowest shared iso.
 
C'mon... let's see the meat. :-) BTW, I own Zeiss glass (Touit 12), so I'm not without a bit of experience with this. While it's a fantastic lens, I'm not quite seeing the magic that you imply here.
you might have a bad copy
 
Have been using Leica and zeiss for 30 years and see that Fuji is not over hyped but is head to head competition with Leica

Many Leica owners are not objective I belonged to the lhsa and have dealt with many Leica shooters. It is not the only viable system and their is a Leica look and if anything has been overhyped it has been the Leica over the years

I have used Leica love them and still love them. However, it is just a camera and that adoration is cultish

But they are only a camera and the one behind the lens and not the camera that produces the best images

IMHO
 
C'mon... let's see the meat. :-) BTW, I own Zeiss glass (Touit 12), so I'm not without a bit of experience with this. While it's a fantastic lens, I'm not quite seeing the magic that you imply here.
you might have a bad copy
My copy is excellent and it’s my go to lens for astrophotography — arguably one of the more demanding disciplines with respect to IQ. I’ve also used it a fair amount for large building interiors (e.g. cathedrals). Perhaps I simply tend towards being a bit more conservative with the use of ill-defined and (IMHO) highly overused words like “magic,” that’s all. I certainly wouldn’t trade it for any of the equivalents I’m aware of out there.
 
Used Leica for years and my copy of the zeiss 35mm is great and also summicron 35mm

I like their rendering but would have no hesitation in matching the x100v capabilities

There is a "leica rendering" a "zeiss rendering" and a "fuji rendering"

I have been using Leica for over 25 years and have a good 25 lenses and many older ones besides my new ones

Leica however has a cult following with people and the really lose perspective of what the camera is for and what results they produce

Softness, sharpness, etc can be an asset on many older lenses

My point is that this Fuji camera is really outstanding, underrated for what you get, and underpriced for sure and the Leica is overpriced for what you get. As long as you know what your are buying and why, enjoy the experience of the Leica

I have the Leica ME240 which I love and use the 50mm Summarit, 50mm Summicron, 35mm summicron, and 35mm biogin.

When I am in the mood for taking my time I pull out the Leica

However, everyday street shooting nothing compares to the x100v and it is a go everywhere camera.

The best camera is the one you take with you

Still overall my Fuji x100f was really great and this lens and quick auto focus moves the x100v into a new league
 
Used Leica for years and my copy of the zeiss 35mm is great and also summicron 35mm

I like their rendering but would have no hesitation in matching the x100v capabilities

There is a "leica rendering" a "zeiss rendering" and a "fuji rendering"

I have been using Leica for over 25 years and have a good 25 lenses and many older ones besides my new ones

Leica however has a cult following with people and the really lose perspective of what the camera is for and what results they produce

Softness, sharpness, etc can be an asset on many older lenses

My point is that this Fuji camera is really outstanding, underrated for what you get, and underpriced for sure and the Leica is overpriced for what you get. As long as you know what your are buying and why, enjoy the experience of the Leica

I have the Leica ME240 which I love and use the 50mm Summarit, 50mm Summicron, 35mm summicron, and 35mm biogin.

When I am in the mood for taking my time I pull out the Leica

However, everyday street shooting nothing compares to the x100v and it is a go everywhere camera.

The best camera is the one you take with you

Still overall my Fuji x100f was really great and this lens and quick auto focus moves the x100v into a new league
That’s a excellent and very balanced perspective, Lou. Thanks for sharing it. While I’ve never shot Leica, I can see the draw and the following that it has and your view here makes a ton of sense.
 
Your last sentence makes me wonder if you have a V? If you do, great, just curious.
 
Regarding 23's comparison in normal distances, I found out the following nice video. It's in French, but -leaf- images are multi-language :)


To my eyes, the results are identical...
 
Your last sentence makes me wonder if you have a V? If you do, great, just curious.
No I don't.

I was planning to get one but it won't happen. Between my XT2 and GR3 I can't find a place for it.

If it had the IBIS, than I would change my XT with the X100
 
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