joeletx
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If you trade it in.
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Sad Used Prices for EM-1 first edition
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MacOrneille
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Oh, you mean sad from the point of view of a seller. I'm sure a buyer would be happy!
LoneTree1
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Physically downgraded. Downgrades cover a lot of things.
So, just to be clear, you are saying
and you then think the E-M1 should be worth more? Because its been fixed twice?
I still have an E-M1 original. Thought about selling it and the return was so low I thought I might as well keep it. I use it occasionally for things like kayaking. If I drown it, well... Still a good camera.
Chippy99
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Not careful enough, obviously. I've had my E-M1 since launch and had no problems with it whatsoever. I am careful not to let the sun shine through the EVF however, which takes only an atom of thought/effort. Maybe it's easier in the UK since it's rarely sunny ;-)
Sad indeed. I bought mine autumn 2015. Almost immediately broke my arm and couldn't hold it for close to a year due to complications caused by lousy care. By then I was so dismayed and and still in pain that I didn't want to. Almost forgot I had it and didn't really pick it up until 1½ years ago. And we all know what had happened then.
Most poorly spent money ever! But I'm not upgrading. I'll wait for IV. Or V. I'm still learning to use what I have. :-D
Most poorly spent money ever! But I'm not upgrading. I'll wait for IV. Or V. I'm still learning to use what I have. :-D
Bobapingu
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Sounds liked the go. I might keep mine as a back-up too. It would be good for practicing technique and testing out new lenses so as not to get too many clicks on the new camera.
Photo Pete
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Unfortunately this is true of all digital cameras.
I recently saw a low shutter count Nikon D3S on sale in a camera store for £350. When released they were £3500. Goodness knows what the person who sold it to the store got for it... £175-£200 probably.
I think we can safely say that investing in digital cameras is not really something that will make us rich... unless we use them as intended... to produce some stunning images.
LoneTree1
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There are four cameras illustrating anomalous pricing these days.
1. Olympus E-M5. Cheaper than some older Panasonics that were cheaper when they were released.
2. Olympus E-M1. Same as above.
3. Pentax K-01. Ridiculed when it came out and underestimated, it now gets higher prices than you would expect for a camera of its type.
4. Pentax Q models. As above.
I'm sure there are more.
1. Olympus E-M5. Cheaper than some older Panasonics that were cheaper when they were released.
2. Olympus E-M1. Same as above.
3. Pentax K-01. Ridiculed when it came out and underestimated, it now gets higher prices than you would expect for a camera of its type.
4. Pentax Q models. As above.
I'm sure there are more.
Photo Pete
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I gave my EM10 to my 13 year old son. I couldn’t bear to part with it to a buyer I didn’t know for such a low price. Knowing it was going to my son, who would appreciate it and use it to develop his photographic skills, was by far the better option for something I had treasured.How wonderful to have a girlfriend that appreciates a used E-M1 as a gift... or did she? :-D...to my girlfriend, along with a new (to her) 25mm f/1.8. She'll get way more value out of it than I'd get selling it on eBay, especially considering how much obvious wear and tear there was on the body.
My wife and son sold it on ebay a week later.
:-(
Bobapingu
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My philosophy with all such things is buy new and use till it's worn out. It's not a problem for professionals who often wear their cameras out before a new iteration arrives. The moral of the story might be that anyone who still has a working E-M1, like me, just doesn't shoot enough
The E-M1 is a great camera, I quite like it as a device.
My argument - GX7 bodies didn’t.
Best that they don’t need repairing in the first place - they are well out of warranty now and if one of the known issues appears it will cost the hapless new owner of second hand goods much more than the buy price to repair. This unknown has a bearing upon the second hand prices of E-M1 bodies.
Mine also, I just twirled the rear wheel harder and it responded - I did not even know it was broken as it came that way out of the box - QC issue? The blobs in the evf I just lived with until I realised the rear wheel was faulty - thank you dp M4/3 forum for discussing it. Might as well fix both annoying issues on a single trip to the repair centre. The fixed wheel was marvellously responsive. Olympus Australia tried to deny me warranty even thought the camera was Australian sourced, within warranty period and was known merchandisable quality issues that should have been repaired without cost warranty or otherwise.
I agree I use wrist straps for security and have never dangled a camera from neck strap since 2000. All the more curious as to how the evf became sun-burned when none of my others ever did.
Ah, a birder - we are not all birders, but I also carry my cameras by the grip - even RF style bodies - the wrist strap helps balance the camera body and grip via a loose grasp - the strap being more of a balancing factor than something to dangle from.
Great grip - no argument from me.
I am sure it is - but buying a second hand one is an unknown as to what issues might be forthcoming. Is there such a thing as a multiple year old E-M1 that has no evf screen burn issues? Everyone should check theirs closely. The burns on my replaced evf are micro-dots that I have to specifically notice - unlike on the original which could hardly be overlooked.
This is not an E-M1 performance issue but obviously very poor QC on an otherwise sophisticated camera tool. Making strong remarks about how good a camera it is/was is an accepted fact - the issue was that the camera had reliability issues which were well known and required a back to base fix. My issue is not on how good the camera is/was but the baggage it carried as breakdown prone which is obviously reflected in it second hand resale value.
If a Panasonic camera had such QC issues I am sure that they would also be trotted out regularly.
As I am not a birder and I find the GX7 grip good enough for my purposes. If I decided to shoot birds then I am sure that my G9 with great grip and Panasonic 200/2.8 with or without one of the two TC adapters would work just fine.
As I have well noted none of my many Panasonic camera bodies has ever broken down other than damage that was my own careless fault.
I am also sure that the EM-1ii has had better QC and will not depreciate as badly as the E-M1.
Try buying a Panasonic GM5 these days.
I think that you are quite right - the sun in Australia is frequently quite hot enough to literally fry eggs on a car bonnet. Not only that but we often get weeks on end without a cloud to be seen. The UK would fit over a map of Australia somewhere south of Tasmania. Glasgow is about the same as the “uninhabited” Macquarie Island in the Antarctic region ....
My response to the evf burn issue is that I have a number of Panasonic camera bodies with evf and it is always set to my eyesight on the dioptre - so there cannot be a dioptre setting issue. Furthermore I use all my camera bodies in similar use-type in similar places. Not one of my Panasonic camera bodies with evf have ever shown evf screen burn even when used in the hottest, brightest, sun-scary conditions.
GM5, GX7, GX85, GX9, G9 (the latter shows the largest and clearest evf in the business).
I was supremely paranoid after the first screen burn issue on my E-M1 and for a while I used a self invented blind to cover the eyepiece. After a while I decided that 1) There had been some issues with the original evf, and 2) Olympus probably had found a way of fixing the issue by the time when they made the repair.
In fairness there are a number of small pinprick burns that I only notice when I go looking for them. Hardly worth fixing - but they are there. The previous issue burned so severely that they simply could not be ignored.
People love the GX8 in retrospect like others love the GM5. Both cameras were very capable camera in different type classes. Both failed because their launch price was too high and also each for one different factor.
In the case of the GX8 - I avoided it like the plague because it had a side-hinged lcd.
I loved the GM5 because of its size but others needed a fistful of missing features to make it seem more than being in the toy camera category that it was quickly categorised in.
Both sold well when the price dropped and they became good value for what they were.
For me the GX7 was “perfect” and at the peak design of its style of camera - the GX8 added a larger evf (that I did not need) and a side hinged lcd of a type that I loathed. Even at reduced prices I could not be tempted into a GX8 - although I admit that as a camera they were (and are now especially) well respected.
My GX7 is still a camera that I revere - even after a GX85 and GX9.
I would rather the fixed lcd and tiny size bare bones of the GM5 - but then (and luckily) there are may camera body types and sizes in M4/3 for us to choose from
The S1/S1R was so obviously based on the G9 that one hardly needs a diagram
If I were a gambling man (I am not) then I would not be surprised to see the GX8 remaining orphaned in M4/3 format but might just re-appear re-launched as the SX1/SXR1 on the L-Mount with FF sensor.
The larger size body - larger evf - and hopefully the lcd will become double hinged lcd with a second catch just like the S1/S1R.
For my part I don’t see the GX9 as a retrograde from the GX7 or GX85 but it does not have quite the same level of features as the G9 - but the price is attractive and I suggest that it is a step up from the GX8 as well. But maybe not the “GX9” that GX8 users would have expected. Where does it go wrong - back to the field sequential evf? As I see both the evf on the GX9 and that on the G9 as just a means of focusing and framing (which they both do well) I don’t really value the G9 evf any more than that in the GX9.
But some cannot get enough bigger, brighter, clearer ..... I can understand that, but the image caught looks exactly the same no matter what evf is used.
... and smash it with a hammer so that it cannot be resold. I am not kidding.
I once had a client who sold photocopiers. Who traded working copiers then smashed them up to render them unserviceable.
Two reasons:
Second hand working units reduce the market for new copiers.
Getting rid of older models reduces the cost of maintaining spare parts to service them.
Furthermore old obsolete cameras are hardly worth the effort to try and resell.
They might as well just discount the camera and let you keep the old one - but then you might sell it to someone who will not then buy a new one.
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Bobapingu
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Yeah, I bought a couple Olympus Pens for my son and daughter. One I never saw again, the other I saw in a very dilapidated state after being dropped on concrete a few times. Oh well, times change.I gave my EM10 to my 13 year old son. I couldn’t bear to part with it to a buyer I didn’t know for such a low price. Knowing it was going to my son, who would appreciate it and use it to develop his photographic skills, was by far the better option for something I had treasured.How wonderful to have a girlfriend that appreciates a used E-M1 as a gift... or did she? :-D...to my girlfriend, along with a new (to her) 25mm f/1.8. She'll get way more value out of it than I'd get selling it on eBay, especially considering how much obvious wear and tear there was on the body.
My wife and son sold it on ebay a week later.
:-(
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