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I see a ton of posts linking to "reviews" by Olympus or Panasonic" "Visionaries".

These are not reviews. These are sales demonstrations with all that entails.

These guys are demonstrating a camera, talking up the good points and ignoring the downsides in the hope that you will buy the product they are demonstrating.

To help those who cannot grasp what a review is:

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Please lets have properly titled posts when it comes to these demonstration videos.

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What’s your point?
 
Nigel, it might be useful to provide links to a few 'reviews' which aren't reviews.

Peter Del
 
Nigel, it might be useful to provide links to a few 'reviews' which aren't reviews.

Peter Del
Threads like this where a Visionary publicity video is titled "review". Thre a couple doing the rounds right now here.

Just a question of semantics, but an important one I think.
Thanks for the link. I think 'user experience' is a more apposite title.

Peter Del
 
I see a ton of posts linking to "reviews" by Olympus or Panasonic" "Visionaries".

These are not reviews. These are sales demonstrations with all that entails.
It may surprise you, but a "reviewer" cannot learn how to get the most out of a camera or lens without thoroughly testing it. This is especially true for high end cameras and lenses that have very sophisticated software programming for use in birding which is technically way above taking pictures of Mom and Dad or your favorite church. A day or two by someone unfamiliar with the intricacies of a system is like you or me doing a "review"; pointless.

I know from my own experience that it took me 3 years to get to the point where I could get the most out of the EM-1 I; and I have now the EM-1 II for about six months. Three weeks ago I bought the 300 F4. I was out on the 2nd, 3rd, 9th, 10th, 15th, 16th and 17th and my level of skill with that combo is still quite low. Yes, I can shoot landscape with that combo (although it is rare I would use that focal length for landscape) and I can get great results on focus stacked mosses/lichens, and largely stationary birds; but I can barely shoot birds in flight; which is highly dependent on very sophisticated software programming and menu mastery of high end cameras.

So, when I want to truly evaluate a camera or lens, I look to those with the most experience with it (them); not the least. Those are the folks who can truly evaluate how precisely a new camera or lens performs.
These guys are demonstrating a camera, talking up the good points and ignoring the downsides in the hope that you will buy the product they are demonstrating.
This is, of course, demonstrably false. If you don't watch by your own preference the reviews by Olympus, etc. visionaries, you would not notice that they mention in some detail what they would like to see better.

As to your "reviewers" - I assume you mean like Northup - they may have likely have had the opportunity to have "tested" the specs of many cameras, but are only likely to be skilled at evaluating the performance of the camera models (and lenses) of the system they personally use. In reviewing their "reviews" I always look to see if they - the Northups of the world - take images comparable to what I hope to be able to take from new gear I might be interested in. I'd bet as to photographic skill with 40 years of experience I am as good a photographer as most of them. There are exceptions of course, like Petr or Tipling as examples in the field I am most interested in - but they are professional photographers not professional "reviewers". They are experienced with gear and most often don't voice an strong opinion until they have thoroughly vetted a camera for weeks or months in their areas of expertise.

You can learn some basic things by reading reviews as to some of the functions a camera has - like ND filter - but this tends to be at a very basic level. Some are more sophisticated in testing as at Camera Labs where his tests five years ago showed relative noise levels for the EM-5 sensor compared to the EM-1 sensor at long exposures over 15 seconds at ISO's of 1600 and 3200 - which is relevant for astro/landscape. But that is an exception.
 
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I've pretty much quit trusting reviewers of any kind, much less the paid visionaries etic.

Recently got a Canon R. A camera that definitely didn't get great reviews. Now I'm realistic that it is a first gen product complete with some warts that always come with buying the first of anything, but the warts are really pretty inconsequential in the end. IQ is great and the AF is simply fantastic and works with adapted lenses (of which I have many) as good as any DSLR, plus the damn thing can AF in what is practically total darkness. Handling is superb and it is a very well built camera that makes my G9 feel like toy, not that I abuse my camera for what I do.

The problem for most people is it is increasingly hard to get ones hands on an actual camera in a store to try out, so we are dependent on reviews to a large extent. You just have to look at the person and see if they are obviously biased and of course if they are actually paid or endorsed by the company making the product in some way. Also if the reviewer has some sort of connection with the company and does not state this at the outset of the review consider everything to follow total garbage.

It doesn't help folks here when people constantly link to these infomercials because they get the positive glowing review they want out of their newly introduced m43 cameras. One must look for ones self and just use good judgement. Never trust anybody on the internet. It's that simple.
 
I've pretty much quit trusting reviewers of any kind, much less the paid visionaries etic.

Recently got a Canon R. A camera that definitely didn't get great reviews. Now I'm realistic that it is a first gen product complete with some warts that always come with buying the first of anything, but the warts are really pretty inconsequential in the end. IQ is great and the AF is simply fantastic and works with adapted lenses (of which I have many) as good as any DSLR, plus the damn thing can AF in what is practically total darkness. Handling is superb and it is a very well built camera that makes my G9 feel like toy, not that I abuse my camera for what I do.

The problem for most people is it is increasingly hard to get ones hands on an actual camera in a store to try out, so we are dependent on reviews to a large extent. You just have to look at the person and see if they are obviously biased and of course if they are actually paid or endorsed by the company making the product in some way. Also if the reviewer has some sort of connection with the company and does not state this at the outset of the review consider everything to follow total garbage.
I could give a crap about bias - although I note you already have demonstrated bias for your new camera in your preceding paragraph - what I care about is performance in exactly the same scenarios that challenge me.
It doesn't help folks here when people constantly link to these infomercials because they get the positive glowing review they want out of their newly introduced m43 cameras. One must look for ones self and just use good judgement. Never trust anybody on the internet. It's that simple.
 
I've pretty much quit trusting reviewers of any kind, much less the paid visionaries etic.

Recently got a Canon R. A camera that definitely didn't get great reviews. Now I'm realistic that it is a first gen product complete with some warts that always come with buying the first of anything, but the warts are really pretty inconsequential in the end. IQ is great and the AF is simply fantastic and works with adapted lenses (of which I have many) as good as any DSLR, plus the damn thing can AF in what is practically total darkness. Handling is superb and it is a very well built camera that makes my G9 feel like toy, not that I abuse my camera for what I do.

The problem for most people is it is increasingly hard to get ones hands on an actual camera in a store to try out, so we are dependent on reviews to a large extent. You just have to look at the person and see if they are obviously biased and of course if they are actually paid or endorsed by the company making the product in some way. Also if the reviewer has some sort of connection with the company and does not state this at the outset of the review consider everything to follow total garbage.
I could give a crap about bias - although I note you already have demonstrated bias for your new camera in your preceding paragraph - what I care about is performance in exactly the same scenarios that challenge me.
And I could give a crap less about what you could give a crap less about!

Why are you even posting this? I see no valid reason for your rant.

Maybe some (or a lot of) Bailey's in the morning coffee will help.
It doesn't help folks here when people constantly link to these infomercials because they get the positive glowing review they want out of their newly introduced m43 cameras. One must look for ones self and just use good judgement. Never trust anybody on the internet. It's that simple.
 
None of the reviews are unbiased. I find the visionary reviews informative about camera features.
Bias is one thing, paid bias is another.

Doesn't mean a discerning person can't get some valid info, but you need to cautious. Some are just total garbage and not worth listening to. Others you can see the person attempting to be critical while keeping it down to a level that won't get them in trouble with their sponsor.

I actually like reading Robin Wong's reviews. Very importantly he states up front in each review that he is an Olympus visionary. That's great to get that out there and then the user can make up their mind what if any impact it may have. Everyone should do similar if they have any sort of relation with the manufacturer of the product they are reviewing. If not I consider it garbage as they are hiding something of great importance.

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lots of salesman on the forums, nothing wrong with that as long as you know what the affiliations are
And lots of sad trolls who just can't stand somebody is happy with an Olympus.
 
I was pointing out a question of semantics.

These videos are demonstrations put out by people paid in some way by Olympus/Panasonic to show prospective buyers what can be done with a camera.

Sure they are useful as you can get an idea what you can do with a piece of equipment and you get to see how to use many features.

These videos can be useful to a prospective purchaser or to a new user, but they are not a critical review.

I just put out a request that these threads need to be titled more acuratley.
 
I agree with you. Many professional reviews including the founder for this site did not understood or appreciate innovations from Olympus products well as those Olympus visionaries.
 
None of the reviews are unbiased. I find the visionary reviews informative about camera features.
Bias is one thing, paid bias is another.
Problem is you have no idea how the visionary system works. They are not paid to use the camera, they are paid because they choose to use the camera. Big diffeeence. They are professional photographers, and make most if not all the money they earn by making great photos. They use tools they think are the best for the job. They would be complet idiots using something that is not so good, just to get some perks from Olympus or whoever.

On the other hand, all those "non-visionary" revievers and influencers are much more problematic. They don't earn money by selling great photos, but by writing reviews, attracting clicks and likes... And they don't own the gear they are writing about.
 
I agree with you. Many professional reviews including the founder for this site did not understood or appreciate innovations from Olympus products well as those Olympus visionaries.
I still don't with the EM-1 II at six months.
 
And what qualifications does a "proper" reviewer require?

You read some modern reviews and have to wonder if the person reviewing the equipment even knows what the purpose of a camera is. Hint, it's not a fashion statement to be worn around the neck so it dangles next to the other fashion statement logos.

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I've pretty much quit trusting reviewers of any kind, much less the paid visionaries etic.

Recently got a Canon R. A camera that definitely didn't get great reviews. Now I'm realistic that it is a first gen product complete with some warts that always come with buying the first of anything, but the warts are really pretty inconsequential in the end. IQ is great and the AF is simply fantastic and works with adapted lenses (of which I have many) as good as any DSLR, plus the damn thing can AF in what is practically total darkness. Handling is superb and it is a very well built camera that makes my G9 feel like toy, not that I abuse my camera for what I do.

The problem for most people is it is increasingly hard to get ones hands on an actual camera in a store to try out, so we are dependent on reviews to a large extent. You just have to look at the person and see if they are obviously biased and of course if they are actually paid or endorsed by the company making the product in some way. Also if the reviewer has some sort of connection with the company and does not state this at the outset of the review consider everything to follow total garbage.
I could give a crap about bias - although I note you already have demonstrated bias for your new camera in your preceding paragraph - what I care about is performance in exactly the same scenarios that challenge me.
And I could give a crap less about what you could give a crap less about!

Why are you even posting this? I see no valid reason for your rant. :-D

Maybe some (or a lot of) Bailey's in the morning coffee will help.
I don't drink coffee though clearly you do.

None of these sentences you just blurted out have any relevance to the thread. What I care about are performance reviews as I stated succinctly - performance reviews based on extended use and evaluation. For the other stuff you could just stop at reading the specs and maybe printing them out.
It doesn't help folks here when people constantly link to these infomercials because they get the positive glowing review they want out of their newly introduced m43 cameras. One must look for ones self and just use good judgement. Never trust anybody on the internet. It's that simple.
 
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