Deliberating between the 300 F4 and 100-400 - used both?

Well, I have a few questions. Is the Zoom Stiffness on the 100-400 something one can expect, or is it just an issue with older or certain copies?

Also, Is there a lot of variance in sharpness from one copy to another?
 
Great, thanks for letting us know.

Sounds like a well thought and evaluated decission. Can't think of a better way to find you very personal perfect lens.

Now have fun, enjoy this beautiful piece of glas and don't hesitate to SHOW your results here! *thumbs up*
 
Stiffness is allmost certain.

Some copies of 100-400 seem to be very good, but it can be the photographer's hands :-)

In my hand the results of 100-400 were consistently worse than of 300/4. Hands are the same ;-)
 
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Stiffness is allmost certain.
Some earlier copies seemed to have the problem. It’s important to fully unlock the zoom lock or it will certainly be stiff.

My lens is a fairly early Oly and works just fine.
Some copies of 100-400 seem to be very good, but it can be the photographer's hands :-)

In my hand the results of 100-400 were consistently worse than of 300/4. Hands are the same ;-)
The 100-400mm needs a bit of practice and experimentation to get better results.
 
Stiffness is allmost certain.
Some earlier copies seemed to have the problem. It’s important to fully unlock the zoom lock or it will certainly be stiff.

My lens is a fairly early Oly and works just fine.
Some copies of 100-400 seem to be very good, but it can be the photographer's hands :-)

In my hand the results of 100-400 were consistently worse than of 300/4. Hands are the same ;-)
The 100-400mm needs a bit of practice and experimentation to get better results.
I swapped my 300/f4 for a week with a friend who uses at 100-400. I must say the IQ difference was marked, the 300/f4 being higher quality, IMHO. I was glad to return her lens after the week; she was very happy to have borrowed my lens.
 
Stiffness is allmost certain.
Some earlier copies seemed to have the problem. It’s important to fully unlock the zoom lock or it will certainly be stiff.

My lens is a fairly early Oly and works just fine.
Some copies of 100-400 seem to be very good, but it can be the photographer's hands :-)

In my hand the results of 100-400 were consistently worse than of 300/4. Hands are the same ;-)
The 100-400mm needs a bit of practice and experimentation to get better results.
I swapped my 300/f4 for a week with a friend who uses at 100-400. I must say the IQ difference was marked, the 300/f4 being higher quality, IMHO. I was glad to return her lens after the week; she was very happy to have borrowed my lens.
I'm not surprised, I am surprised the IQ comparison ever needs considering. Of course the 300 has better IQ, it costs twice the price, is brighter and weighs twice as much and it's am prime. If it wasn't better Oly would have a real problem.

My reasons for preferring the 100-400 are much the same that makes the Oly better, price, zoom, weight.
 
Stiffness is allmost certain.
Some earlier copies seemed to have the problem. It’s important to fully unlock the zoom lock or it will certainly be stiff.

My lens is a fairly early Oly and works just fine.
Some copies of 100-400 seem to be very good, but it can be the photographer's hands :-)

In my hand the results of 100-400 were consistently worse than of 300/4. Hands are the same ;-)
The 100-400mm needs a bit of practice and experimentation to get better results.
I swapped my 300/f4 for a week with a friend who uses at 100-400. I must say the IQ difference was marked, the 300/f4 being higher quality, IMHO. I was glad to return her lens after the week; she was very happy to have borrowed my lens.
I have an adapted Nikon 300mm f4.5 AI-S and a 2x teleconverter, but I really struggle working with a 300mm lens. I prefer primes, but that’s just too much and too limiting for my way of shooting.

The 100-400mm and 100-300mm are a better fit for me, but I can understand the appeal of the Oly 300mm.
 
Great, thanks for letting us know.

Sounds like a well thought and evaluated decission. Can't think of a better way to find you very personal perfect lens.
Here are a few images, note not set at the widest aperture for DOF. With the Woodpecker I should have shot at F5.6 or so but that is not second nature and I've not set Custom buttons as I don't need them for landscape.



This was my first image, the detail on the crane far right and tree far left is really good. F8 for DOF
This was my first image, the detail on the crane far right and tree far left is really good. F8 for DOF



Should have shot at F5.6, but this was generally a high enough SS. I focused on the head which was obviously moving erratically and branches never hindered focus. I have much better shots than this one.
Should have shot at F5.6, but this was generally a high enough SS. I focused on the head which was obviously moving erratically and branches never hindered focus. I have much better shots than this one.





This Anna's was extremely frustrating as it was in the area but constantly moving for perhaps a minute or two but it was against the sky then in front of a bush, never stable for more than a second or two. Finally, it settled but there were far better shots. But I was on the single target and could not shoot it in the air. Here, I would need a custom button as you don't have time.
This Anna's was extremely frustrating as it was in the area but constantly moving for perhaps a minute or two but it was against the sky then in front of a bush, never stable for more than a second or two. Finally, it settled but there were far better shots. But I was on the single target and could not shoot it in the air. Here, I would need a custom button as you don't have time.



I have far better shots than this but the image shows the level of detail. Here, I think F7.1 was the right amount of DOF.
I have far better shots than this but the image shows the level of detail. Here, I think F7.1 was the right amount of DOF.



Here I shot a moss and it shows the extremely shallow DOF with this lens even at F7.1 Cambridge shows that at 30-40' the DOF is about .1m @ F4, .2m @ F5.6 and .3-.4m at F6.3 to F7.1. The sharpness here is comparable to what I would get with 60mm on a tripod, but not Focus Stacked.
Here I shot a moss and it shows the extremely shallow DOF with this lens even at F7.1 Cambridge shows that at 30-40' the DOF is about .1m @ F4, .2m @ F5.6 and .3-.4m at F6.3 to F7.1. The sharpness here is comparable to what I would get with 60mm on a tripod, but not Focus Stacked.



Now have fun, enjoy this beautiful piece of glas and don't hesitate to SHOW your results here! *thumbs up*
 
You are right, but this comparing is determined by the thread name itself, isn’t it :-)
 
Congratulation to the buy of this outstanding lens. It doesn't get any better in our wonderful system. I'm absolutely happy with it after I bought it in 2016. I don't want to miss a day with it.
 
Here I shot a moss and it shows the extremely shallow DOF with this lens even at F7.1 Cambridge shows that at 30-40' the DOF is about .1m @ F4, .2m @ F5.6 and .3-.4m at F6.3 to F7.1. The sharpness here is comparable to what I would get with 60mm on a tripod, but not Focus Stacked.
Here I shot a moss and it shows the extremely shallow DOF with this lens even at F7.1 Cambridge shows that at 30-40' the DOF is about .1m @ F4, .2m @ F5.6 and .3-.4m at F6.3 to F7.1. The sharpness here is comparable to what I would get with 60mm on a tripod, but not Focus Stacked.


Since by pure coincidence I had taken almost the exact same subject on a stroll with the 100-400:

F8, 400mm, ISO 4.000
F8, 400mm, ISO 4.000

I think at close range the lenses (including postproduction) are pretty comparable in sharpness.

My impression is that especially at far distances the 300/f4 really shines. I can hardly imaging pulling off an image like your first one with the distant city and the crane to the right at that sharpess level with the 100-400.

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Here I shot a moss and it shows the extremely shallow DOF with this lens even at F7.1 Cambridge shows that at 30-40' the DOF is about .1m @ F4, .2m @ F5.6 and .3-.4m at F6.3 to F7.1. The sharpness here is comparable to what I would get with 60mm on a tripod, but not Focus Stacked.
Here I shot a moss and it shows the extremely shallow DOF with this lens even at F7.1 Cambridge shows that at 30-40' the DOF is about .1m @ F4, .2m @ F5.6 and .3-.4m at F6.3 to F7.1. The sharpness here is comparable to what I would get with 60mm on a tripod, but not Focus Stacked.
Since by pure coincidence I had taken almost the exact same subject on a stroll with the 100-400:

F8, 400mm, ISO 4.000
F8, 400mm, ISO 4.000
The moss is Brachythecium frigidum.
I think at close range the lenses (including postproduction) are pretty comparable in sharpness.
Probably, too, shooting most things close-up you wouldn't look that much for detail. The exception might be scales on a butterfly, that is something I will want to try.
My impression is that especially at far distances the 300/f4 really shines. I can hardly imaging pulling off an image like your first one with the distant city and the crane to the right at that sharpess level with the 100-400.
Yes, pretty amazing, and I would think almost no sample variation on the fixed lens. The city shot was already at F8, about 12% from maximum sharpness at F5.6 according to Lenstips.
 
Don't forget about the soon to be launched Olympus 100-400 f5.0-6.3. Not sure how "soon" it is, but something to keep in mind.
I'm presuming the Oly 100-400 will be for those who want a consumer level 100-400 so will fall below the Panny 100-400 so inline with the Panny 100-300 and Oly 75-300 IQ wise.
 
I have upgraded my body to the EM-1 II and find the AF much faster and better than the EM-1 I; currently using the 75-300. If you have used both, how do you compare them?

1) With the 75-300, my lens, the IQ is pretty good throughout but my keeper rate on birds is probably 30-40%. So, how about the relative IQ of the 300 and 100-400? I am aware the 100-400 falls off at 400 some. Also, is there substantial sample variation - I'd expect little with the 300?

2) AF accuracy; any difference here?

3) AF acquistion speed and CAF fidelity with the EM-1 II body? With my 75-300 and my body I really can't acquire focus quickly enough when birds are fast moving.

4) Zoom stiffness and some mount issues I am aware of with the 100-400. That is not an issue as I will only buy a lens I have tried out, particularly with the 100-400.

5) I realize the flexibility of the zoom and the presumed (see above) high IQ of the 300.

6) Finally, image stabilization. I am aware for fixed subjects that ISO and SS are tied to aperture and that the advantage there goes to the 300.

What are your experiences with both of these lenses, or if you have one or the other, what would you say about these lenses? Is the image quality and keeper rate quite good or would you say excellent?
Those lenses aren’t in the same league. The Oly is much better!

I have the Panasonic 100-400mm and original 100-300mm.
The 100-400mm is relatively small and light and can deliver excellent results, with practice. In my case, a LOT of practice. I use it mainly for nature stuff and travel. It doubles as an almost-macro lens which adds to it’s utility. So, it’s actually quite good for hiking, since I can quickly switch from taking shots of a woodpecker to some mushrooms and moss.

The Oly 300mm can’t do that, but it’s a different sort of lens altogether. I’d love to have BOTH, but that ain’t happening. 😕
I will be tempted by the 150-400 f4.5, but unfortunately it will be very expensive and heavier.
Isn't that lens a consumer level non-pro lens? If so, I can't imagine it being that expensive...

[Whoops, I'm thinking of another lens. The 150-400 is that huge white lens that's presumably a pro lens?]

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Hubert
My non-digital gear: Agfa Isolette, Ricohflex VII, Bessa R, Bessa L, Zorky 4, Fed 2, Konica Big Mini, Konica Auto S2, K1000, Yashica Electro 35 GX, Recesky
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Don't forget about the soon to be launched Olympus 100-400 f5.0-6.3. Not sure how "soon" it is, but something to keep in mind.
I'm presuming the Oly 100-400 will be for those who want a consumer level 100-400 so will fall below the Panny 100-400 so inline with the Panny 100-300 and Oly 75-300 IQ wise.
the Panny is a consumer level lens. The Olympus will be the same IQ as the Panny.
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Hubert
My non-digital gear: Agfa Isolette, Ricohflex VII, Bessa R, Bessa L, Zorky 4, Fed 2, Konica Big Mini, Konica Auto S2, K1000, Yashica Electro 35 GX, Recesky
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2034/2457111090_00eafbf8a4_m.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/peppermonkey/
 

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