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moimoi said:
I am rather disappointed with the specs of the X100V. IBIS + WR would have made the X100V a work horse for street photography! Fuji does not get it and is too stingy.
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Just curious about your IBIS statement as it applies to a "street camera".

Image stabilization assists a photographer when they're forced to shoot at slow shutter speeds and can't handhold the camera steady enough to prevent blur.

It really has no other purpose.

Street photography is done outside and with a camera that is more than capable at ISO 3200 why would an experienced photographer ever need image stabilization?

Even in darker/overcast conditions high enough shutter speeds to overcome any camera shake are easy to achieve.

I've owned 2 X100S cameras and bought the X100F when it was introduced and not only use the cameras outdoors but do quite a bit of indoor shooting.

The camera has a 2.0 lens and produces very good results at ISOs as high as 6400 and I've never needed image stabilization.

Then again, I guess everyone is different.
 
Ed B said:
moimoi said:
I am rather disappointed with the specs of the X100V. IBIS + WR would have made the X100V a work horse for street photography! Fuji does not get it and is too stingy.
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Just curious about your IBIS statement as it applies to a "street camera".

Image stabilization assists a photographer when they're forced to shoot at slow shutter speeds and can't handhold the camera steady enough to prevent blur.

It really has no other purpose.

Street photography is done outside and with a camera that is more than capable at ISO 3200 why would an experienced photographer ever need image stabilization?

Even in darker/overcast conditions high enough shutter speeds to overcome any camera shake are easy to achieve.

I've owned 2 X100S cameras and bought the X100F when it was introduced and not only use the cameras outdoors but do quite a bit of indoor shooting.

The camera has a 2.0 lens and produces very good results at ISOs as high as 6400 and I've never needed image stabilization.

Then again, I guess everyone is different.
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If shooting photo inside building (Queen Victoria Market - Meat & Fish Hall), are consider travel/street photography? Are IBIS useful in this kind of environment?
 
Any street photography - except with arty motion blur - requires a shutter speed of at least 1/60 to stop movement, so no.

Travel photography is a different matter, given that landscapes and architecture would be likely subject matter.

Hence, as I suspect just about everybody is aware, the comment regarding IBIS for street is entirely valid, but even street photographers like to go on holiday...
 
fz750 said:
morepix said:
Critical Thinker said:
Looks like another minor revision instead of a proper upgrade.
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Depends on your POV. For me, the tilt screen is a major selling point; the other upgrades are nice enough.
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There are 2 aspects to this screen - firstly it's tiltable, secondly that it's a touchscreen.

Unfortunately, for me, both of these contradict my view of the original ethos of the camera, and I wonder if i'd be better off with the X-Pro3 (I was hopeing the X-Pro's screen would be in the X100v..
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I was expecting the same, adding the XP3 screen to the X100 would be great. Tilt-screen, touch screen etc makes it like every other camera around.
 
It's as expected;

X-Pro guts in X100 body, which Fuji has been doing every generation.

The only real change, besides an updated processor, is a tilt-screen and extra element in the lens.

All the other specs have been slightly bumped, but that was to be expected.

I also echo the sentiment; WR should have been included. Most phones have WR these days.

Either IBIS or OIS also would have been nice upgrades also. If Ricoh can shove IBIS in the GR certainly Fuji can figure it out.

What I really wanted was proper manual focus via a clutch, but I've felt that way since the first iteration. Since we won't be getting that any time soon I hope that they can add a snap focus mode.

Lack of proper video options is inexcusable for any camera these days, regardless of people's protests about the gestalt of the X100 line.

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Ed B said:
moimoi said:
I am rather disappointed with the specs of the X100V. IBIS + WR would have made the X100V a work horse for street photography! Fuji does not get it and is too stingy.
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Just curious about your IBIS statement as it applies to a "street camera".

Image stabilization assists a photographer when they're forced to shoot at slow shutter speeds and can't handhold the camera steady enough to prevent blur.

It really has no other purpose.

Street photography is done outside and with a camera that is more than capable at ISO 3200 why would an experienced photographer ever need image stabilization?

Even in darker/overcast conditions high enough shutter speeds to overcome any camera shake are easy to achieve.

I've owned 2 X100S cameras and bought the X100F when it was introduced and not only use the cameras outdoors but do quite a bit of indoor shooting.

The camera has a 2.0 lens and produces very good results at ISOs as high as 6400 and I've never needed image stabilization.

Then again, I guess everyone is different.
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For blurred street photography, the IBIS can be very useful! Also IBIS can be very useful for non moving subjects in order to keep the ISO setting as low as possible!

Cheers,

Max
 
moimoi said:
Ed B said:
moimoi said:
I am rather disappointed with the specs of the X100V. IBIS + WR would have made the X100V a work horse for street photography! Fuji does not get it and is too stingy.
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Just curious about your IBIS statement as it applies to a "street camera".

Image stabilization assists a photographer when they're forced to shoot at slow shutter speeds and can't handhold the camera steady enough to prevent blur.

It really has no other purpose.

Street photography is done outside and with a camera that is more than capable at ISO 3200 why would an experienced photographer ever need image stabilization?

Even in darker/overcast conditions high enough shutter speeds to overcome any camera shake are easy to achieve.

I've owned 2 X100S cameras and bought the X100F when it was introduced and not only use the cameras outdoors but do quite a bit of indoor shooting.

The camera has a 2.0 lens and produces very good results at ISOs as high as 6400 and I've never needed image stabilization.

Then again, I guess everyone is different.
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For blurred street photography, the IBIS can be very useful! Also IBIS can be very useful for non moving subjects in order to keep the ISO setting as low as possible!

Cheers,

Max
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Truman Prevatt said:
forest dream said:
biza43 said:
John Gellings said:
forest dream wrote:.
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I see WR more to resist dust and water/condensation.
John Gellings said:
Disappointed for bad marketing decision. Hope our guess is incorrect.
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It is what it is - if you don't find the camera satisfies your requirements - buy a different one.
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But Truman, that is not the solution... we are supposed to whine and hope Fuji reads this, takes immediate action, and then gives everyone everything they want for a cheaper price while shrinking the camera. Because, you know, Sony does it...

I have a feeling at least half of the people will not be happy with a move to Sony. Specs aren't everything...
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I still seriously consider Sony because of this, tbh. Not as a replacement for the X100 (my everyday carry quality camera), but as my “more serious” zoom/video camera.

I would really prefer an X-Pro, X-E or m43 rangefinder style, but only the a6600 offers *every feature* I want. Every feature, that is, except for joy and user experience, which I dislike.

Its really, really annoyIng that Sony is the only company that does it all, and that they’re also the worst in n UI. Fuji has the best design philosophy, so of course we want their cameras to do it all, too!
 
Keithpictures said:
John Gellings said:
Truman Prevatt said:
forest dream said:
biza43 said:
Keithpictures said:
forest dream wrote:.
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I see WR more to resist dust and water/condensation.
Keithpictures said:
Disappointed for bad marketing decision. Hope our guess is incorrect.
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It is what it is - if you don't find the camera satisfies your requirements - buy a different one.
Click to expand...
But Truman, that is not the solution... we are supposed to whine and hope Fuji reads this, takes immediate action, and then gives everyone everything they want for a cheaper price while shrinking the camera. Because, you know, Sony does it...

I have a feeling at least half of the people will not be happy with a move to Sony. Specs aren't everything...
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I still seriously consider Sony because of this, tbh. Not as a replacement for the X100 (my everyday carry quality camera), but as my “more serious” zoom/video camera.

I would really prefer an X-Pro, X-E or m43 rangefinder style, but only the a6600 offers *every feature* I want. Every feature, that is, except for joy and user experience, which I dislike.

Its really, really annoyIng that Sony is the only company that does it all, and that they’re also the worst in n UI. Fuji has the best design philosophy, so of course we want their cameras to do it all, too!
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I still have one Sony for sale and nobody wants it that piece of plastic. My XT3 is WAY more fun to use, the video specs are superior, and the lenses are amazing.
 
I got to spend an hour with the XPro3, and I would say that if the X100V has the same sized OVF, I would almost upgrade just for that.

Its a huge improvement.
 
Critical Thinker said:
Truman Prevatt said:
forest dream said:
biza43 said:
forest dream said:
Fuji Maine said:
0-40° Celsius temperature rating means no WR right? If so it's a little shocking that they didn't add the thing a ton of X100f shooters were clamoring for.
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Is that for the battery charging? that interval is the same as for the X-H1 battery charging recommendation.

Operating condition for X-H1 is -10 Celsius to 40 Celsius.

I see WR more to resist dust and water/condensation.
Critical Thinker said:
Disappointed for bad marketing decision. Hope our guess is incorrect.
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No one besides Fuji knows what new components would be required to introduce WR in the X100 chassis. From other camera's schematics, it involves a lot more that a few O-rings in battery and card compartments. It involves several gaskets in the chassis itself.

Most likely, Fuji decided to keep using the same basic chassis, rather than making a new one - this would increase production costs and selling price to consumer. In a shrinking camera market where Fuji does not have a top position (far from it), I think it is a good business decision.
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If company too focus on profit margin, market sure shrink.
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Every publicly held company is focused on profit margin. If profits are down management gets fired and new hired to increase profits.

On the engineering side, it is often difficult to shoe horn a H/W feature like weather sealing into an existing design.
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The new x100v literally is a new model, why does it have to have the same design? It boggles the mind that instead of making a new model with new actual features, people here instead want them to release the same camera for the 5th time with some minor changes and still slap an extra $500 for it 🤦‍♀️
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Because if some people had their way they’d change it to look like something completely different. If Fuji changes this camera too much, it could risk alienating its user base.
 
John Gellings said:
Truman Prevatt said:
forest dream said:
biza43 said:
forest dream said:
Fuji Maine said:
0-40° Celsius temperature rating means no WR right? If so it's a little shocking that they didn't add the thing a ton of X100f shooters were clamoring for.
Click to expand...
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Is that for the battery charging? that interval is the same as for the X-H1 battery charging recommendation.

Operating condition for X-H1 is -10 Celsius to 40 Celsius.

I see WR more to resist dust and water/condensation.
John Gellings said:
Disappointed for bad marketing decision. Hope our guess is incorrect.
Click to expand...
No one besides Fuji knows what new components would be required to introduce WR in the X100 chassis. From other camera's schematics, it involves a lot more that a few O-rings in battery and card compartments. It involves several gaskets in the chassis itself.

Most likely, Fuji decided to keep using the same basic chassis, rather than making a new one - this would increase production costs and selling price to consumer. In a shrinking camera market where Fuji does not have a top position (far from it), I think it is a good business decision.
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If company too focus on profit margin, market sure shrink.
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Every publicly held company is focused on profit margin. If profits are down management gets fired and new hired to increase profits.

On the engineering side, it is often difficult to shoe horn a H/W feature like weather sealing into an existing design. Often such requirements dictate a new design. In reality no one here access to the internal design documentation I expect and in such cases whining and speculation runs amok.

It is what it is - if you don't find the camera satisfies your requirements - buy a different one.
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But Truman, that is not the solution... we are supposed to whine and hope Fuji reads this, takes immediate action, and then gives everyone everything they want for a cheaper price while shrinking the camera. Because, you know, Sony does it...

I have a feeling at least half of the people will not be happy with a move to Sony. Specs aren't everything...
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John, Let's see, the H1 was too big, too heavy, way over priced and the whining lasted until there was the XT3 to whine about. The whining there - how dare they not include IBIS after they proved they did. Oly put it in a small body (with a smaller sensor) so Fuji should do it right now. Then when the Pro3 was coming down the road, the whine fest switched to the XPro3 - no IBIS, flip up screen, ya da, ya da, ... . Now if the XT-4 comes out with a same size body (one of the rumor sites has the T4 at the same weight +/- a hand full of grams as the H1 and no D-pad then there will be a new target for the whiners. The whiners seem to always need a new target to whine about - even if they never had an intension of buying the item. Yep as my Grandpappy used to say -a kvetcher, every single one.

You are I suspect right - but at least if they bought a Sony and went to the Sony site they would be whining there instead of here. ;-)
 
John Gellings said:
But Truman, that is not the solution... we are supposed to whine and hope Fuji reads this, takes immediate action, and then gives everyone everything they want for a cheaper price while shrinking the camera.
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wow, giving customers what they want, that's crazy
 
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Leicalika said:
John Gellings said:
But Truman, that is not the solution... we are supposed to whine and hope Fuji reads this, takes immediate action, and then gives everyone everything they want for a cheaper price while shrinking the camera.
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wow, giving customers what they want, that's crazy
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Never give what customer wants, more crazy. Totally lost market.

Better solutions, give what customer wants with smaller profit margin. E.g. Canon EOS RP with cheap price.
 
John Gellings said:
Critical Thinker said:
Truman Prevatt said:
forest dream said:
biza43 said:
forest dream said:
Fuji Maine said:
0-40° Celsius temperature rating means no WR right? If so it's a little shocking that they didn't add the thing a ton of X100f shooters were clamoring for.
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
Is that for the battery charging? that interval is the same as for the X-H1 battery charging recommendation.

Operating condition for X-H1 is -10 Celsius to 40 Celsius.

I see WR more to resist dust and water/condensation.
John Gellings said:
Disappointed for bad marketing decision. Hope our guess is incorrect.
Click to expand...
No one besides Fuji knows what new components would be required to introduce WR in the X100 chassis. From other camera's schematics, it involves a lot more that a few O-rings in battery and card compartments. It involves several gaskets in the chassis itself.

Most likely, Fuji decided to keep using the same basic chassis, rather than making a new one - this would increase production costs and selling price to consumer. In a shrinking camera market where Fuji does not have a top position (far from it), I think it is a good business decision.
Click to expand...
If company too focus on profit margin, market sure shrink.
Click to expand...
Every publicly held company is focused on profit margin. If profits are down management gets fired and new hired to increase profits.

On the engineering side, it is often difficult to shoe horn a H/W feature like weather sealing into an existing design.
Click to expand...
The new x100v literally is a new model, why does it have to have the same design? It boggles the mind that instead of making a new model with new actual features, people here instead want them to release the same camera for the 5th time with some minor changes and still slap an extra $500 for it 🤦‍♀️
Click to expand...
Because if some people had their way they’d change it to look like something completely different. If Fuji changes this camera too much, it could risk alienating its user base.
Click to expand...
How would adding WR and IS/IBIS completely change the look of the camera body?
 
Ed B said:
moimoi said:
I am rather disappointed with the specs of the X100V. IBIS + WR would have made the X100V a work horse for street photography! Fuji does not get it and is too stingy.
Click to expand...
Just curious about your IBIS statement as it applies to a "street camera".

Image stabilization assists a photographer when they're forced to shoot at slow shutter speeds and can't handhold the camera steady enough to prevent blur.

It really has no other purpose.

Street photography is done outside and with a camera that is more than capable at ISO 3200 why would an experienced photographer ever need image stabilization?

Even in darker/overcast conditions high enough shutter speeds to overcome any camera shake are easy to achieve.

I've owned 2 X100S cameras and bought the X100F when it was introduced and not only use the cameras outdoors but do quite a bit of indoor shooting.

The camera has a 2.0 lens and produces very good results at ISOs as high as 6400 and I've never needed image stabilization.

Then again, I guess everyone is different.
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Image stabilization is another creative instrument in a photographers tool kit. If you dont want to use it at all, you can switch it off permanently (not sure why you would do that though). It doesnt need to be on all the time.

Its useful to be able to shoot at night/low light environments and still get sharp images at 1 or 2 seconds shutter speed when the moment calls for it.
 
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Critical Thinker said:
John Gellings said:
Critical Thinker said:
Truman Prevatt said:
forest dream said:
biza43 said:
forest dream said:
Fuji Maine said:
0-40° Celsius temperature rating means no WR right? If so it's a little shocking that they didn't add the thing a ton of X100f shooters were clamoring for.
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
Is that for the battery charging? that interval is the same as for the X-H1 battery charging recommendation.

Operating condition for X-H1 is -10 Celsius to 40 Celsius.

I see WR more to resist dust and water/condensation.
Critical Thinker said:
Disappointed for bad marketing decision. Hope our guess is incorrect.
Click to expand...
No one besides Fuji knows what new components would be required to introduce WR in the X100 chassis. From other camera's schematics, it involves a lot more that a few O-rings in battery and card compartments. It involves several gaskets in the chassis itself.

Most likely, Fuji decided to keep using the same basic chassis, rather than making a new one - this would increase production costs and selling price to consumer. In a shrinking camera market where Fuji does not have a top position (far from it), I think it is a good business decision.
Click to expand...
If company too focus on profit margin, market sure shrink.
Click to expand...
Every publicly held company is focused on profit margin. If profits are down management gets fired and new hired to increase profits.

On the engineering side, it is often difficult to shoe horn a H/W feature like weather sealing into an existing design.
Click to expand...
The new x100v literally is a new model, why does it have to have the same design? It boggles the mind that instead of making a new model with new actual features, people here instead want them to release the same camera for the 5th time with some minor changes and still slap an extra $500 for it 🤦‍♀️
Click to expand...
Because if some people had their way they’d change it to look like something completely different. If Fuji changes this camera too much, it could risk alienating its user base.
Click to expand...
How would adding WR and IS/IBIS completely change the look of the camera body?
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Are WR and IS/IBIS components inside camera body and lens? Why impact camera body look? Except you said IBIS increase camera body size. Why Ricoh GR III with IBIS size small?
 
forest dream said:
Critical Thinker said:
John Gellings said:
Critical Thinker said:
Truman Prevatt said:
forest dream said:
biza43 said:
forest dream said:
Fuji Maine said:
0-40° Celsius temperature rating means no WR right? If so it's a little shocking that they didn't add the thing a ton of X100f shooters were clamoring for.
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
Is that for the battery charging? that interval is the same as for the X-H1 battery charging recommendation.

Operating condition for X-H1 is -10 Celsius to 40 Celsius.

I see WR more to resist dust and water/condensation.
forest dream said:
Disappointed for bad marketing decision. Hope our guess is incorrect.
Click to expand...
No one besides Fuji knows what new components would be required to introduce WR in the X100 chassis. From other camera's schematics, it involves a lot more that a few O-rings in battery and card compartments. It involves several gaskets in the chassis itself.

Most likely, Fuji decided to keep using the same basic chassis, rather than making a new one - this would increase production costs and selling price to consumer. In a shrinking camera market where Fuji does not have a top position (far from it), I think it is a good business decision.
Click to expand...
If company too focus on profit margin, market sure shrink.
Click to expand...
Every publicly held company is focused on profit margin. If profits are down management gets fired and new hired to increase profits.

On the engineering side, it is often difficult to shoe horn a H/W feature like weather sealing into an existing design.
Click to expand...
The new x100v literally is a new model, why does it have to have the same design? It boggles the mind that instead of making a new model with new actual features, people here instead want them to release the same camera for the 5th time with some minor changes and still slap an extra $500 for it 🤦‍♀️
Click to expand...
Because if some people had their way they’d change it to look like something completely different. If Fuji changes this camera too much, it could risk alienating its user base.
Click to expand...
How would adding WR and IS/IBIS completely change the look of the camera body?
Click to expand...
Are WR and IS/IBIS components inside camera body and lens? Why impact camera body look? Except you said IBIS increase camera body size. Why Ricoh GR III with IBIS size small?
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Well, apparently Sony manage to add IBIS to some of their cameras without a substantial extra bulk, thing that Fuji couldn't do.
 
forest dream said:
If shooting photo inside building (Queen Victoria Market - Meat & Fish Hall), are consider travel/street photography? Are IBIS useful in this kind of environment?
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Nope. Moving subjects. Doesn't help with them.. (only camera shake).

For street photography it's largely usless for me, but for general purpose there is a case for having it.. (the Olympus EM-10 has it in a pretty small chassis..), although I'd say it's overkill for the X100 series, i'd rather have some level of waterproofing..
 
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