m43 branding

will start with the conclusion: m43 should focus on vloggers/influencers.

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What m43 needs to make itself relevant in that space, are features that make 1.) real -time editing easy and customizable, 2) making real-time sharing easier, and 3.) marketing campaign pushing for a complete ecosystem for that purpose.
You’ve just selected the toughest sector to crack, as you’ve singled out an area where mobile phones dominate. They do what you describe perfectly, and the users already have them. No need to buy a new tool.

My issue with what you present is you’re looking at the tool rather than the requirement. The camera is not the requirement. The finished video / image uploaded to social media channels is the requirement.

If you analyse the requirement, the best tool may not necessarily come from conventional thinking. What did Henry Ford say about cars? If you’d asked people what they wanted they’d say a faster horse.

The more steps you introduce to your solution, the less likely people are to use that solution. Convenience always wins the mass market.

Samsung tried an Android based Mirrorless camera. Where is their photography focus now? Smartphones.

For conventional cameras to survive, they have to find a niche, or a bloody good USP with mass appeal.
 
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I will start with the conclusion: m43 should focus on vloggers/influencers.
When starting a business a strong vision is always very helpful. Some would say, that starting a new camera company in this retracting market is crazy. However your camera spec sounds good and I believe if you are persistent you will not fail.

I'm looking forward to first pictures of and taken with your prototype.

Good luck!
Not sure if this is trolling or misunderstanding. Huh.
No, I'm guessing it's sarcasm......and in my opinion well deserved.

M43 basically only good for vlogging and, eh, 'infulencers' ? It would seem that not too many people here could bother taking the bait on that one.
 
I think any push towards social medias like Instragram needs to be done carefully. Many, like myself, don’t like such services and if it got to the point where the camera is always promoting for social integration, or having to see a thousand different app logos constantly it would become a big negative. Social media is normally about ease and speed, unless it’s a specific service like Flickr and mobiles got that covered. There would need to be clear options to turn it off at the very least. While finding new customers for a product one must not lose those they already have.

My thought also is that the average photographer is quite content already with their phones. The key for them is that it is already in their pocket. Those that do go a step further in general are the ones that do buy into M43 cameras and other cameras. Like how the GH5 did become a popular tool for youtubers, even though of course the majority of videos on YouTube would still by a mobile.

M43 can certainly have good small and large bodies. Like my GH5 with the 100-400 pana provides a reach that is fantastic and at a lower weight than a FF system of similar specs. A compact, small camera for my pocket would be good also. It’s reach for me was an important factor to buy into the system (as was the video capabilities).

Collecting lenses and proper cameras will always have a customer base, but the average person on the street simply doesn’t care for it. Much like vinyl, there are many that love it but the majority are happy with their MP3. Trying to please camera phone users will be hard when they’ll see no reason to carry extra bulk. What I would like to see is many improvements like was listed. Mastering AF, Bluetooth connections and other things of similar ilk.
My general point is that we COULD get a lot more people to care for photography if some segments of m43 offered better experiences for more social media oriented crowds. In that space, m43 can have a huge advantage over both FF and apscs with better size and stabilization. However, I think that fragmented user experience and poor marketing has disenfranchised most of that potential market and that's real shame...
Yup, the marketing is definitely a problem. Their marketing has always been geared towards photographers, not the casual social media users. To attract new users, one must not adopt the strategy of doing more of the same thing.

Funny that you bring up this topic, but a colleague of mine just shared with me some pictures she took with her iPhone a few days ago. Her composition is definitely above average, and she enjoys taking pictures with the phone. The pictures she showed me were all night scenes, and I can clearly see that lots of details are lost due to the limited capabilities of the phone.

I told her that it is time for her to upgrade, to get her camera. Her instant reaction was that cameras are huge (DSLRs) do she would not want them. I told her than Olympus has a line of small cameras that is quite good nowadays (PEN line), and she was really taken in when I mention the ability to take selfie photos and connect to phone instantly using WiFi.

So, if we are serious in attracting new people into the market, we must abandon advices from seasoned photographers and start listening to the vast majority of social media users out there. That population far outnumbers 'serious' or 'traditional' photographers.

Hence, in that vein, the few important point to attract them would be :

1. Smaller (perhaps thinner E-PL10) and lighter bodies

2. Thinner lens. I know the 14-42mm is already thin, but more collapsible design is preferable.

3. Faster WiFi speed. As it is, the download speed of pictures onto the phone is rather slow.

4. More options of small and compact pancake kit lenses. Perhaps a 14-28mm f2.8-f4.0 and a 14-70mm f4.0-f6.3.

5. Marketing, marketing, marketing as you said.
Agreed 100%

I myself upgraded from Samsung S9+ to make my traveling more enjoyable. Picking up m43 was pure luck. I just happened to pick up GX85 bundle which was reasonably priced at the time.

The sad thing is, I'm not sure if m43 would have been the eco system I would have picked had I done thorough research before I bought first mirrorless. It's even more true now, with all the major players joining mirrorless camera market. But it doesn't have to be that way, if only oly/pana did a better job at attracting new users and built features maximizing the system's strengths with wider appeal.
Well, if cost is a consideration (as it is for most parts), it is very likely that you will end up choosing m43 again if you had repeated the process all over again. As of today, m43 still has the most extensive lens ecosystem out there. It is also the most accessible system in terms of costing.

My dad just jumped onto the mFT bandwagon with a new E-M1 Mark II + Olympus 12-100mm f4. He decided to sell off his D7100 and all of his lenses with it as he was shooting a lot lesser with it due to the size. He used to be very active, but has since shoot less due to the size. It is like a silent creep where I noticed the camera sit inside the dry cabinet much more often.

When he sold off all of this gears, he has the choice of joining a new system. We tested the a7iii and was honestly blown away by its noise performance when it was compared to Olympus. But he was put off by the size when he tested the Sony 24-70mm F2.8 GM lens. He rationalised that should he opt to go FF, he would repeat the heavy gear setup all over.

After much consideration, with cost and weight being the chief amongst them, he decided to join the mFT bandwagon. He brings his camera out more often, and having a very sharp superzoom allows him to take pictures he has never been able to do before.
 
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I will start with the conclusion: m43 should focus on vloggers/influencers.
When starting a business a strong vision is always very helpful. Some would say, that starting a new camera company in this retracting market is crazy. However your camera spec sounds good and I believe if you are persistent you will not fail.

I'm looking forward to first pictures of and taken with your prototype.

Good luck!
Not sure if this is trolling or misunderstanding. Huh.
No, I'm guessing it's sarcasm......and in my opinion well deserved.

M43 basically only good for vlogging and, eh, 'infulencers' ? It would seem that not too many people here could bother taking the bait on that one.
I didn't say "only good for vlogging". I'm saying that's the largest potential market where the m43 advantage of size to quality ratio is maximized.

Expanding potential market is good for business.
 
will start with the conclusion: m43 should focus on vloggers/influencers.

...


What m43 needs to make itself relevant in that space, are features that make 1.) real -time editing easy and customizable, 2) making real-time sharing easier, and 3.) marketing campaign pushing for a complete ecosystem for that purpose.
You’ve just selected the toughest sector to crack, as you’ve singled out an area where mobile phones dominate. They do what you describe perfectly, and the users already have them. No need to buy a new tool.

My issue with what you present is you’re looking at the tool rather than the requirement. The camera is not the requirement. The finished video / image uploaded to social media channels is the requirement.

If you analyse the requirement, the best tool may not necessarily come from conventional thinking. What did Henry Ford say about cars? If you’d asked people what they wanted they’d say a faster horse.

The more steps you introduce to your solution, the less likely people are to use that solution. Convenience always wins the mass market.

Samsung tried an Android based Mirrorless camera. Where is their photography focus now? Smartphones.

For conventional cameras to survive, they have to find a niche, or a bloody good USP with mass appeal.
Mobile phones dominate, in part because traditional cameras are absolutely terrible at offering remotely similar experiences. Even with wifi photo transfer, the experience is clunky at best. If we can fix the user experiences in that market, there's a potential to attract far more buyers.

And it doesn't matter if 99% of the influencer/vlogger wannabes don't want to use a proper camera, as long as there's the one percent who is trying to distinguish themselves by using a proper gear. That one percent in that market space would have far more potential buyers of the gears compared to more niche market like wildlife/birding.
 
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I think any push towards social medias like Instragram needs to be done carefully. Many, like myself, don’t like such services and if it got to the point where the camera is always promoting for social integration, or having to see a thousand different app logos constantly it would become a big negative. Social media is normally about ease and speed, unless it’s a specific service like Flickr and mobiles got that covered. There would need to be clear options to turn it off at the very least. While finding new customers for a product one must not lose those they already have.

My thought also is that the average photographer is quite content already with their phones. The key for them is that it is already in their pocket. Those that do go a step further in general are the ones that do buy into M43 cameras and other cameras. Like how the GH5 did become a popular tool for youtubers, even though of course the majority of videos on YouTube would still by a mobile.

M43 can certainly have good small and large bodies. Like my GH5 with the 100-400 pana provides a reach that is fantastic and at a lower weight than a FF system of similar specs. A compact, small camera for my pocket would be good also. It’s reach for me was an important factor to buy into the system (as was the video capabilities).

Collecting lenses and proper cameras will always have a customer base, but the average person on the street simply doesn’t care for it. Much like vinyl, there are many that love it but the majority are happy with their MP3. Trying to please camera phone users will be hard when they’ll see no reason to carry extra bulk. What I would like to see is many improvements like was listed. Mastering AF, Bluetooth connections and other things of similar ilk.
My general point is that we COULD get a lot more people to care for photography if some segments of m43 offered better experiences for more social media oriented crowds. In that space, m43 can have a huge advantage over both FF and apscs with better size and stabilization. However, I think that fragmented user experience and poor marketing has disenfranchised most of that potential market and that's real shame...
Yup, the marketing is definitely a problem. Their marketing has always been geared towards photographers, not the casual social media users. To attract new users, one must not adopt the strategy of doing more of the same thing.

Funny that you bring up this topic, but a colleague of mine just shared with me some pictures she took with her iPhone a few days ago. Her composition is definitely above average, and she enjoys taking pictures with the phone. The pictures she showed me were all night scenes, and I can clearly see that lots of details are lost due to the limited capabilities of the phone.

I told her that it is time for her to upgrade, to get her camera. Her instant reaction was that cameras are huge (DSLRs) do she would not want them. I told her than Olympus has a line of small cameras that is quite good nowadays (PEN line), and she was really taken in when I mention the ability to take selfie photos and connect to phone instantly using WiFi.

So, if we are serious in attracting new people into the market, we must abandon advices from seasoned photographers and start listening to the vast majority of social media users out there. That population far outnumbers 'serious' or 'traditional' photographers.

Hence, in that vein, the few important point to attract them would be :

1. Smaller (perhaps thinner E-PL10) and lighter bodies

2. Thinner lens. I know the 14-42mm is already thin, but more collapsible design is preferable.

3. Faster WiFi speed. As it is, the download speed of pictures onto the phone is rather slow.

4. More options of small and compact pancake kit lenses. Perhaps a 14-28mm f2.8-f4.0 and a 14-70mm f4.0-f6.3.

5. Marketing, marketing, marketing as you said.
Agreed 100%

I myself upgraded from Samsung S9+ to make my traveling more enjoyable. Picking up m43 was pure luck. I just happened to pick up GX85 bundle which was reasonably priced at the time.

The sad thing is, I'm not sure if m43 would have been the eco system I would have picked had I done thorough research before I bought first mirrorless. It's even more true now, with all the major players joining mirrorless camera market. But it doesn't have to be that way, if only oly/pana did a better job at attracting new users and built features maximizing the system's strengths with wider appeal.
Well, if cost is a consideration (as it is for most parts), it is very likely that you will end up choosing m43 again if you had repeated the process all over again. As of today, m43 still has the most extensive lens ecosystem out there. It is also the most accessible system in terms of costing.

My dad just jumped onto the mFT bandwagon with a new E-M1 Mark II + Olympus 12-100mm f4. He decided to sell off his D7100 and all of his lenses with it as he was shooting a lot lesser with it due to the size. He used to be very active, but has since shoot less due to the size. It is like a silent creep where I noticed the camera sit inside the dry cabinet much more often.

When he sold off all of this gears, he has the choice of joining a new system. We tested the a7iii and was honestly blown away by its noise performance when it was compared to Olympus. But he was put off by the size when he tested the Sony 24-70mm F2.8 GM lens. He rationalised that should he opt to go FF, he would repeat the heavy gear setup all over.

After much consideration, with cost and weight being the chief amongst them, he decided to join the mFT bandwagon. He brings his camera out more often, and having a very sharp superzoom allows him to take pictures he has never been able to do before.
In some instances, that's true. But at higher end of the m43 spectrum, not really.

Sony FF bodies aren't much bigger if at all compared to the best m43 bodies and can be purchased for a similar price depending on your needs.

The lenses are bigger, but also if you just grab one F4 zoom, you won't have to grab a bag of primes just for low light scenes given the 2 stop advantage so depending on the FL you need the total package may not be any bigger. If you are trying to get equivalent results, m43 can get bigger as a total package, and more expensive.

I do agree that 12-100 is one of the good reasons for m43 though. I don't have one, but I have tried it in stores and was quite please with it.
 
You are definitely on the right course. There are things that need to change ie the GX10 BETTER have a usb-c port. Otherwise its a non starter, nothing revolutionary needed for this camera to be a leader.

I would love a smaller 10x zoom than the 14-140 (which is still pretty small).

The 12-32 and 35-100 f4 are the epitome of m43 and are stabilized. (why the 12-32 doesn't have a 46mm filter size is beyond me).

I would love blue tooth direct to camera while recording, and if I can't have that then a usb-c cable to the camera from the phone for direct recording.

Flippy screen is not needed, you can put the phone in a bracket above in the hot shoe.

I don't vlog, I am a dad who has to be at different places at different times so I like to always have my camera on me. I keep a GX8 (too large) with me at all times, because I need the EVF. But I would prefer to not have the grip, and have a flat body like the pen-f.

Lastly, the video features of the GX line are unmatched except in much more expensive camera's. 4k, ETC, stabilization, take pictures while shooting video, there are so many tricks that everytime I think of switching I know I would miss one or many of these unsung features.

That said if I was vloging, I would use a phone period... way to easy, and work flows become really simple. But since I am often sitting far away I need good telephoto so phones don't suffice... yet.
 
I will start with the conclusion: m43 should focus on vloggers/influencers.

The biggest advantage of m43, in my opinion, is that it has as big of a sensor as you can have while being small enough to daily carry.
A one pound versus two pound camera around the neck isn't a huge advantage. But a camera that fits in a pocket with cellular and apps and full editing is.
What m43 needs to make itself relevant in that space, are features that make 1.) real -time editing easy and customizable, 2) making real-time sharing easier, and 3.) marketing campaign pushing for a complete ecosystem for that purpose.

m43, when used properly, can create images far better than phones and similar in quality to FF. The problem is, and this goes for all traditional photography gears, it's not easy and it's very time consuming to use properly and it's definitely not designed for sharing images and videos in real time.
Actually, under good conditions, cell phones are fine for blogging. Better than fine, most blogg sites have terrible photos. Are the below photos good enough for blogging?























Only a very dedicated hardcore photographers would want to carry 2+lbs of gear all the time.
And one pound is easy? It's not the weight, it's whether it fits in a pocket. Cell phone users are thinking that a one pound M43rd system is hardcore and dedicated.
Now, how do we make this happen? How can we make photography enhance the experience?
Make a pocket size camera w/a powerful flash and a 4:1 zoom with cellular and apps that weighs under 8 ounces and costs less than $1000. Anything short of that is fooling yourself.

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Very good OP!

m43 needs to capitalise on its small and light USP to attract new users. Having a model line which is an easy transition from, and a higher quality alternative to, a smartphone for vloggers is definitely a great way to go.

Also nothing wrong with retaining the larger bodies and lenses for wildlife etc. Once those ‘new users’ have been tempted into the system by the vlogging cameras it would give them other options whilst remaining in the m43 ecosystem.



Computational connectivity is definitely the way to go if they want to keep selling cameras after all the old style traditional users (yup I include me in that group!) finally shuffle off this mortal coil.
 
The em5III is all plastic though.
And?
It could be a deal breaker for a lot of enthusiasts and pros. Since you can't mount it on a tripod because the plastic body will shatter under its own weight. It was documented by someone on this forum.
1. It may very well have been a defect.

2. An ARCA plate would probably prevent such a failure.
Camera tripod mounts are designed to support the camera & reasonable lens on top of tripod. Not a heavy lens, with it’s own tripod mount. Also, not mounted on tripod and swung over shoulder....to much torque on both.

Listen to: https://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2020/01/the-lensrentals-podcast-episode-14-how-to-break-a-camera/
 
I think any push towards social medias like Instragram needs to be done carefully. Many, like myself, don’t like such services and if it got to the point where the camera is always promoting for social integration, or having to see a thousand different app logos constantly it would become a big negative. Social media is normally about ease and speed, unless it’s a specific service like Flickr and mobiles got that covered. There would need to be clear options to turn it off at the very least. While finding new customers for a product one must not lose those they already have.

My thought also is that the average photographer is quite content already with their phones. The key for them is that it is already in their pocket. Those that do go a step further in general are the ones that do buy into M43 cameras and other cameras. Like how the GH5 did become a popular tool for youtubers, even though of course the majority of videos on YouTube would still by a mobile.

M43 can certainly have good small and large bodies. Like my GH5 with the 100-400 pana provides a reach that is fantastic and at a lower weight than a FF system of similar specs. A compact, small camera for my pocket would be good also. It’s reach for me was an important factor to buy into the system (as was the video capabilities).

Collecting lenses and proper cameras will always have a customer base, but the average person on the street simply doesn’t care for it. Much like vinyl, there are many that love it but the majority are happy with their MP3. Trying to please camera phone users will be hard when they’ll see no reason to carry extra bulk. What I would like to see is many improvements like was listed. Mastering AF, Bluetooth connections and other things of similar ilk.
My general point is that we COULD get a lot more people to care for photography if some segments of m43 offered better experiences for more social media oriented crowds. In that space, m43 can have a huge advantage over both FF and apscs with better size and stabilization. However, I think that fragmented user experience and poor marketing has disenfranchised most of that potential market and that's real shame...
Yup, the marketing is definitely a problem. Their marketing has always been geared towards photographers, not the casual social media users. To attract new users, one must not adopt the strategy of doing more of the same thing.

Funny that you bring up this topic, but a colleague of mine just shared with me some pictures she took with her iPhone a few days ago. Her composition is definitely above average, and she enjoys taking pictures with the phone. The pictures she showed me were all night scenes, and I can clearly see that lots of details are lost due to the limited capabilities of the phone.

I told her that it is time for her to upgrade, to get her camera. Her instant reaction was that cameras are huge (DSLRs) do she would not want them. I told her than Olympus has a line of small cameras that is quite good nowadays (PEN line), and she was really taken in when I mention the ability to take selfie photos and connect to phone instantly using WiFi.

So, if we are serious in attracting new people into the market, we must abandon advices from seasoned photographers and start listening to the vast majority of social media users out there. That population far outnumbers 'serious' or 'traditional' photographers.

Hence, in that vein, the few important point to attract them would be :

1. Smaller (perhaps thinner E-PL10) and lighter bodies

2. Thinner lens. I know the 14-42mm is already thin, but more collapsible design is preferable.

3. Faster WiFi speed. As it is, the download speed of pictures onto the phone is rather slow.

4. More options of small and compact pancake kit lenses. Perhaps a 14-28mm f2.8-f4.0 and a 14-70mm f4.0-f6.3.

5. Marketing, marketing, marketing as you said.
Agreed 100%

I myself upgraded from Samsung S9+ to make my traveling more enjoyable. Picking up m43 was pure luck. I just happened to pick up GX85 bundle which was reasonably priced at the time.

The sad thing is, I'm not sure if m43 would have been the eco system I would have picked had I done thorough research before I bought first mirrorless. It's even more true now, with all the major players joining mirrorless camera market. But it doesn't have to be that way, if only oly/pana did a better job at attracting new users and built features maximizing the system's strengths with wider appeal.
Well, if cost is a consideration (as it is for most parts), it is very likely that you will end up choosing m43 again if you had repeated the process all over again. As of today, m43 still has the most extensive lens ecosystem out there. It is also the most accessible system in terms of costing.

My dad just jumped onto the mFT bandwagon with a new E-M1 Mark II + Olympus 12-100mm f4. He decided to sell off his D7100 and all of his lenses with it as he was shooting a lot lesser with it due to the size. He used to be very active, but has since shoot less due to the size. It is like a silent creep where I noticed the camera sit inside the dry cabinet much more often.

When he sold off all of this gears, he has the choice of joining a new system. We tested the a7iii and was honestly blown away by its noise performance when it was compared to Olympus. But he was put off by the size when he tested the Sony 24-70mm F2.8 GM lens. He rationalised that should he opt to go FF, he would repeat the heavy gear setup all over.

After much consideration, with cost and weight being the chief amongst them, he decided to join the mFT bandwagon. He brings his camera out more often, and having a very sharp superzoom allows him to take pictures he has never been able to do before.
In some instances, that's true. But at higher end of the m43 spectrum, not really.

Sony FF bodies aren't much bigger if at all compared to the best m43 bodies and can be purchased for a similar price depending on your needs.

The lenses are bigger, but also if you just grab one F4 zoom, you won't have to grab a bag of primes just for low light scenes given the 2 stop advantage so depending on the FL you need the total package may not be any bigger. If you are trying to get equivalent results, m43 can get bigger as a total package, and more expensive.

I do agree that 12-100 is one of the good reasons for m43 though. I don't have one, but I have tried it in stores and was quite please with it.
The FF bodies are definitely more expensive. When compared to E-M1 Mark II which we got for $1100, the a7iii is about $1600. If comparing to a7ii, there is so much lacking on it that it would not be a fair comparison. Features wise, the Olympus is choke full of it.

We tested the Sony 24-105mm f4 zoom. Great lens, no doubt. But the weight penalty is real! If we have gone with the Sony route, we would be carrying the weight penalty all the time, but would only gain the 2 stop advantage when we decide to shoot fast moving subjects in low light. If we shoot landscapes or posed shots, there is no disadvantage using the Olympus step whatsoever due to excellent IBIS.

So going FF, we pay extra dough and carry the extra weight all the time, but only benefit marginally at selected times. Compared with having a lighter setup and carrying it out to shoot more often, the choice seems obvious.
 
I will start with the conclusion: m43 should focus on vloggers/influencers.

The biggest advantage of m43, in my opinion, is that it has as big of a sensor as you can have while being small enough to daily carry.
A one pound versus two pound camera around the neck isn't a huge advantage. But a camera that fits in a pocket with cellular and apps and full editing is.
What m43 needs to make itself relevant in that space, are features that make 1.) real -time editing easy and customizable, 2) making real-time sharing easier, and 3.) marketing campaign pushing for a complete ecosystem for that purpose.

m43, when used properly, can create images far better than phones and similar in quality to FF. The problem is, and this goes for all traditional photography gears, it's not easy and it's very time consuming to use properly and it's definitely not designed for sharing images and videos in real time.
Actually, under good conditions, cell phones are fine for blogging. Better than fine, most blogg sites have terrible photos. Are the below photos good enough for blogging?








Only a very dedicated hardcore photographers would want to carry 2+lbs of gear all the time.
And one pound is easy? It's not the weight, it's whether it fits in a pocket. Cell phone users are thinking that a one pound M43rd system is hardcore and dedicated.
Now, how do we make this happen? How can we make photography enhance the experience?
Make a pocket size camera w/a powerful flash and a 4:1 zoom with cellular and apps that weighs under 8 ounces and costs less than $1000. Anything short of that is fooling yourself.
$400 boss multi-effects pedal and a $500 squire stratcaster are good enough for most gigs and 90% of the audience won't notice, yet pro musicians spend $2000 for axe effects and another $2000 for a fender stratocaster.

People would pay more for what they think would help their craft and reputation. m43 has the potential to be the "go-to" brand of cameras with proper marketing and feature sets.

Just because the consumers don't notice the difference, doesn't mean that the content creators won't use superior tools to differentiate themselves from the competition...especially if the advanced tools are designed to be used in that space.

The problem we have now is that none of the traditional cameras are designed to facilitate that type of workflow and I assure you that many phone users wouldn't mind carrying a little more gear if that gear could help them get their job done better. If the camera manufacturers could implement what I suggested in the original post, it would make it far easier for the users to share superior content in real time, which would encourage many more to buy into the system.
 
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