Any pro's out there using prosumer digital cxameras?

Mike Coates · Oct 13, 2003

Very nice pictures Doug. It seems that the E10 might be another camera on my list. Is the sensor in the E10 larger like the other digital SLR's or is it smaller like prosumer cameras.
Thanks
Mike

Doug Brown · Oct 13, 2003

Mike Coates said:
Very nice pictures Doug. It seems that the E10 might be another
camera on my list. Is the sensor in the E10 larger like the other
digital SLR's or is it smaller like prosumer cameras.

Thanks.

The sensor in the E10 is one of the larger of the prosumer sized sensors, 2/3 size. It's not as large as a true DSLR's and the noise is pretty high above 160 ISO. Top ISO is 320.

In the studio at 80 ISO it gives nice results up to 8x10, 11x14 with interpolation. But on location it's lack of a high ISO option can be limiting.

You should take a look at the E20 in a store and handle it for yourself (the E20 is identical to E10 except for it being 5 megapixel vs. 4 megapixel for the E10). Very substantial cameras. Solid build and professional looking.

It also has a very quiet shutter due to there being no mirror - it uses a beam-splitting prism to give you through the lens viewing. Great on film sets and at classical concerts. Virtually silent.

Regards,

Doug B
Torontowide.com

John DeSantis · Oct 13, 2003

The oly E10 has become my workhorse. My Mamiyas have been taking days off. I use the E only in manual and most with studio strobes. If the objective is a 8x10" it get's the work done I need.

John

Doug Brown said:
Mike Coates said:

Very nice pictures Doug. It seems that the E10 might be another
camera on my list. Is the sensor in the E10 larger like the other
digital SLR's or is it smaller like prosumer cameras.

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Thanks.
The sensor in the E10 is one of the larger of the prosumer sized
sensors, 2/3 size. It's not as large as a true DSLR's and the noise
is pretty high above 160 ISO. Top ISO is 320.
In the studio at 80 ISO it gives nice results up to 8x10, 11x14
with interpolation. But on location it's lack of a high ISO option
can be limiting.
You should take a look at the E20 in a store and handle it for
yourself (the E20 is identical to E10 except for it being 5
megapixel vs. 4 megapixel for the E10). Very substantial cameras.
Solid build and professional looking.
It also has a very quiet shutter due to there being no mirror - it
uses a beam-splitting prism to give you through the lens viewing.
Great on film sets and at classical concerts. Virtually silent.

Regards,

Doug B
Torontowide.com

tor clausen · Oct 13, 2003

Hi Mike;

This spring, my partner and I got a photo job that needed a very fast turn around and digital files. I had planned on getting the e20 for a while, but when the time finally came I read enough to pass on it. I had 24 hours to buy a camera and learn to use it. I was about to rent a camera and pocket the cash. Then we thought we could pocket the ego and shoot with a point and shoot. We bought the Oly 5050 and did the job. Love the camera, but the love is fading. My main grip has grown to be the lack of shallow depth of field with such a sensor size. Also the lens distortion (purple fringing) makes many of my shots unpresentable. (you can't photoshop-out 300 pictures and make any money).

I am thinking of going back to film for a while. The shallow depth of field from my fast Pentax 645 lenses make for stunning pictures. Scans are cheap.

I photographed a wedding with 35mm film and my 5050. The scans (600k) of the 35mm negs were often better than the 2.4 meg 5050 files. That sobered me up.

I think those larger sensors are truely better.

Good luck.

Tor

http://studiocp.com

David M. · Oct 14, 2003

Well said.

padeye said:
David M. said:

Yes, it is used by some "pros". That does'nt make it a
professional model camera.

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No, only how it is used makes it a professional camera. The best
camera in the world won't turn a hack into a pro and a skilled pro
can take good pictures with just about any camera.

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'Functionless art is simply tolerated vandalism.' --Peter Steele

dada · Oct 18, 2003

I'm a retired pro, who now does mostly fine art (hahahahaha) photo work, but still some publication stuff.

I am waiting for my DiMage A1 to arrive, because, like another poster, I used a 7i and discovered it will do probably 90 percent of what I need, and I'll keep an F3 and an F and the specific lenses I need for the other 10 percent.

But..."professional"...well, I've used consumer point and shoot film cameras for publication work, a beatup old Nikon autofocus no zoom...and I've used Apple Quicktake 150 digital cams for published work (not very large)...so I'm not sure what makes a "professional" piece of equipment...HEY!!! Maybe it's the PERSON using it???

Mike Coates said:
The reason I ask, is that I love digital photography, but I am a
poor college student. A digital SLR is out of my price range right
now. However, I could afford a 4 or 5 mp point and shoot camera
(such as the 717, or the very intriguing panasonic fz10). Basically I
just want to know if there are any pros using these types of
cameras and what their results are. Thanks to anyone who responds.

Thanks
Mike

Mike Coates · Oct 19, 2003

Boy, you sure are quick! Maybe if you reread my post, you will see that I specifically asked if there there were any PRO'S (i.e. professional photographers) out there using prosumer equipment. No where in my post did I mention anything about what makes the equipment professional. Even though equipment can definitely be labeled as such.

Mike

Andy-James · Oct 19, 2003

and you can't afford to invest in a D-SLR? ...how can you do professional photography without a D-SLR?

Mike Coates said:
The reason I ask, is that I love digital photography, but I am a
poor college student. A digital SLR is out of my price range right
now. However, I could afford a 4 or 5 mp point and shoot camera
(such as the 717, or the very intriguing panasonic fz10). I am
currently shooting for a car magazine as well as doing a lot of TFP
with models. I think that in the long run, going digital could save
me a lot of money in terms of film and developing. Plus I think it
would be a great learning tool, as you can see your results
instantly. As far as shooting for the magazine goes; a few friends
of mine and I started it up, so I will not have to worry about
clearing my camera choice with anyone. As long as I continue to
take quality pictures, I can use whatever I want. The magazine is
mostly cars and models, so my subjects will be fairly stationary,
and if they do move too fast, I have a good film SLR I can use. I
am sorry this post is so long. I just wanted to give you some
background, so you will know the cameras intended use. Basically I
just want to know if there are any pros using these types of
cameras and what their results are. Thanks to anyone who responds.

Thanks
Mike

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When the sun burns out, they will try to blame the Fuji S2

Mike Coates · Oct 19, 2003

I am not a professional photographer yet. I aspire to be one though. I currently shoot with a 35mm SLR. It is more than adequate for my work. I just really want to go digital, as it has its own benefits. Currently, I am not getting paid for my magazine work. A couple of friends and I started the magazine, and none of us are getting paid yet. We need to find advertisers first. Fortunately that will come soon, as we just hired 3 advertising sales people.

Thanks
Mike

Gary602z · Oct 19, 2003

David, why did you say it was a consumer camera? Just curious.

gary
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dada · Oct 20, 2003

Boy, you sure are a jerk...if you demand specific answers not deviating from your precious questions, go to the dictionary.

Mike Coates said:
Boy, you sure are quick! Maybe if you reread my post, you will see
that I specifically asked if there there were any PRO'S (i.e.
professional photographers) out there using prosumer equipment. No
where in my post did I mention anything about what makes the
equipment professional. Even though equipment can definitely be
labeled as such.

Mike

jkh2os · Oct 21, 2003

Mike Coates said:
Very nice pictures Doug. It seems that the E10 might be another
camera on my list. Is the sensor in the E10 larger like the other
digital SLR's or is it smaller like prosumer cameras.
Thanks
Mike

I have an E10...I've loved it...I'm thinking of upgrading to the 10D, but that's just because I'm an idiot.

To answer your question...the sensor is between them...another one of those weird Oly things, I guess. Phil's review talks a bit about this. But fyi...the sensor size means that the 9-35mm lens is ~~35-140, i think.~~

Things to think about:

The Oly will have more "traditional" SLR features which might be nice coming from a film SLR. And it's an easy camera to learn.
It has a 1/640 max shutter speed limitation

It is 4 MP (i'm not sure I would get the e-20 5MP, though...interpolation to give 5MP?)
It's big and black.

Once you have an AF lock, the camera is instant (not true DSLR instant...but closer than others)

ISO is 80, 160, 320 (see weird Oly things)...but this is a limitation, not having 400, and no 800 ISO

can't change lenses, but tons of people are trying to offload their E10 accessories!

I've lugged the camera around all over the place...I'm glad I went for it, it's treated me well.
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PhotoWorkPlace · Oct 21, 2003

Mike

You ask a fair question, and as you state you are a student.
I am a Professional. How do I qualify this.
No I do not pull in six figures, my pictures do not appear in TIME, VOGUE or
The Weekly Shopper.

I have been teaching photography for over 15 years, photographing weddings, portraits, and some catalogue work.
I have worked in most formats, and have done some Platinum printing also.

For the past Three years I have been doing all of my Personal and Professional work Digitally, using Nikon d1, Canons D30 through D10, and yes a nice little Coolpix 5000.

I might be embarrassed but I am not to say I spend a lot of time at weddings photographing Professionaly with the Coolpix.

Is this for every "Professional" or even for every client no, but I thank God that I am afforded the trust of our clients to give me the freedom to use whatever tool that I might feel appropriate for the given moment.
Now that is the operative word here TOOL.

If you are comfortable and skilled with the tools and the medium you will make work what you have available, and gravitate to what is comfortable for you.
I hope this is helpful.

Mike Coates · Oct 21, 2003

Wise words from a wise man. Thank you for your input and I completely agree with you.

Thanks
Mike

David A Melges · Oct 21, 2003

...my other pro friends still think I'm crazy, but my products are excellent (and when they aren't its the shooters fault)

There are limits, low light is challenging, and shooting sports requires anticipation, but the images themselves have been very good.

I'm waiting on samples, but probably will be moving to the 828 at first availability.

For examples of my work see:

http://www.yourbattlecreek.com/dave

dave

Mike Coates said:
The reason I ask, is that I love digital photography, but I am a
poor college student. A digital SLR is out of my price range right
now. However, I could afford a 4 or 5 mp point and shoot camera
(such as the 717, or the very intriguing panasonic fz10). I am
currently shooting for a car magazine as well as doing a lot of TFP
with models. I think that in the long run, going digital could save
me a lot of money in terms of film and developing. Plus I think it
would be a great learning tool, as you can see your results
instantly. As far as shooting for the magazine goes; a few friends
of mine and I started it up, so I will not have to worry about
clearing my camera choice with anyone. As long as I continue to
take quality pictures, I can use whatever I want. The magazine is
mostly cars and models, so my subjects will be fairly stationary,
and if they do move too fast, I have a good film SLR I can use. I
am sorry this post is so long. I just wanted to give you some
background, so you will know the cameras intended use. Basically I
just want to know if there are any pros using these types of
cameras and what their results are. Thanks to anyone who responds.

Thanks
Mike

--
Amazing what we can do with just three crayons, red green and blue!
http://yourbattlecreek.com/dave/

unca jim · Oct 21, 2003

Chris Gannon said:
The new rebel might be just the thing- but all pros like to have
black cameras!

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That's why God made black spray paint

Mike Coates · Oct 22, 2003

byard said:
Boy, you sure are a jerk...if you demand specific answers not
deviating from your precious questions, go to the dictionary.

I do not demand specific answers. However, I do believe that if you do not have anything nice or constructive to say then keep it to yourself. I asked a simple question and I felt that your answer was placed in there to irritate rather than help. If that was not the case then I apologize and thank you for your input. I am fairly new to this site and the last thing that I want to do is tick anyone off. On the contrary, I have noticed that some people like to make that their job. I am not saying that that was your intention, but that is how I perceived it, and if I was wrong then, once again, I apologize.

Sorry
Mike

rick porter · Oct 23, 2003

Flash sync up to 1/640th is awsome for bright harsh conditions
Awsome lens!

Live preview, rotating lcd disply - you can shoot like you're using a waist level camera.

Built like a tank

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