Which color do you prefer

TacticDesigns · Jan 27, 2020

I chose 4.

But this is completely a personal preference.

3 = Too red for my taste.

2 = Too yellow.

6 = Too green.

5 = Too contrasty. (Highlights seem too bright. Shadows seem too dark.)

1 = Pretty close, but the highlights seem too bright.

4 = To me is the best of the bunch. Fairly neutral colouring. Not too contrasty.

But this is on a non calibrated monitor.

Take care & Happy Shooting!

TacticDesigns · Jan 27, 2020

Gerry Winterbourne said:
To me the only one that looks natural is 6. All the rest look oversaturated to a greater or lesser degree (5 hardly at all, 3 grotesquely).

Saturation is only one characteristic of colour, of course.1 -3 look too warm (yellow) but that might be a side effect of their saturation.

Note that I prefer the most natural looking; but in other contexts that might not be the deciding factor.

Hi Gerry,

I originally picked 6.

And then I looked at the bigger sized images in the gallery.

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/63571748

And 6 seemed to have a slight green tint to it IMHO.

So I took a closer look through all of them again and switched my answer to 4.

On the "non calibrated monitor" I am on, it seemed the most neutral. Sufficient brightness. Without the highlights being too bright or the shadows being too dark. IMHO.

Take care & Happy Shooting!

juanmaasecas · Jan 27, 2020

Gerry Winterbourne said:
To me the only one that looks natural is 6. All the rest look oversaturated to a greater or lesser degree (5 hardly at all, 3 grotesquely).

Saturation is only one characteristic of colour, of course.1 -3 look too warm (yellow) but that might be a side effect of their saturation.

Note that I prefer the most natural looking; but in other contexts that might not be the deciding factor.

Thank you so much for your reply, I really appreciate it.

Saturation is a really important factor indeed, and it's one of the things that I find we (I include myself) sometimes go too far with, and it's one of the main culprits of our photos looking too artificial, plasticky, etc. And getting the right level of saturation is even more difficult sometimes than getting the right WB or exposure. With a calibrated monitor everyone can easily (more or less) detect when the WB is off, but the "natural" point of saturation, depending on the colors, and the contrast, etc, is hard to equilibrate sometimes, specially with some camera brands or profiles that show very saturated highlights with muted midtones, etc.

juanmaasecas · Jan 27, 2020

TacticDesigns said:
I chose 4.

But this is completely a personal preference.

3 = Too red for my taste.

2 = Too yellow.

6 = Too green.

5 = Too contrasty. (Highlights seem too bright. Shadows seem too dark.)

1 = Pretty close, but the highlights seem too bright.

4 = To me is the best of the bunch. Fairly neutral colouring. Not too contrasty.

But this is on a non calibrated monitor.

Take care & Happy Shooting!

Thank you so much for your insights

golfhov · Jan 27, 2020

Unus said:
golfhov said:

Labe said:

Are the fact that unless we are viewing the images in your home on your monitor how do we know which one is actually the most , pleasing vs most accurate.

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Well and "pleasing" isn't exactly a universal thing either. Some people's idea of "pleasing" is very different than accurate

Unus said:

All these images look very different depending on what device I view them on .

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Which is a conversation into itself BUT if somebody wants to do comparisons ideally they do it on their calibrated monitors for full effect

Unus said:

All that happens is it starts uncivil exchange’s.

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The exchanges absolutely CAN be civil. How is it the posters fault that some people just choose to be uncivil? Those same people will be just as uncivil without accurate comparisons. At least with doing real comparisons other people can see how the lack of civility is just a knee jerk reaction to being shown objectivity

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Agreed.

And rather than criticize the topic as somehow an intrinsic and inevitable catalyst for lack of civility, those people who cannot engage in civil discourse on a topic well within the purview of Open forum discussions should be addressed/remediated.

Correct. There seem to be some trigger words and particular posters that just explode at the mention of them. At least "off topic" is gone.........

Unus said:
Far too often, what happens instead is that their disruptive conduct causes the thread to be locked, which only serves as positive reinforcement.

I dunno. This is a tough one for anybody because sometimes it takes two. I do get your point that I think certain members purposefully shut topics down. BUT I don't wanna go further with this because I think the point is made. If we decide anything that "might" trigger some of the more sensitive here is off topic you just end up killing open discourse

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Unus said:

Cheers

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richiebee · Jan 27, 2020

juanmaasecas said:

1-3 too orange

4 too magenta

5 too green

6... that would be my choice.

I wonder if this is going to be like CSI - New York toned very blue, Miami over saturated and the original just about right. And when I say this, I mean, I wonder if people's preference will be based on where they live.

Krav Maga · Jan 27, 2020

What's the purpose of this?

To what end?

tbcass · Jan 27, 2020

Krav Maga said:
What's the purpose of this?

To what end?

Curiosity maybe. Why do you care what the motivation is?

Krav Maga · Jan 27, 2020

tbcass said:
Krav Maga said:

What's the purpose of this?

To what end?

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Curiosity maybe. Why do you care what the motivation is?

Because my answer depends on it. Like I have to explain anything to you.

juanmaasecas · Jan 27, 2020

Krav Maga said:
What's the purpose of this?

To what end?

The motivations of this poll are:

- First, to show Sony users how different (or not) their images can look applying different profiles in Lightroom, with the same white balance and prior to editing anything else.

- Second, to help Sony users to purchase (there is a paid profile in the bunch), or download a profile that they find to their liking (or just use it if it's one of the included in Lightroom).

- Third, compare the taste of other people to my taste, to see whether I am in line with them or I am colorblind xD. If I find most people prefer the picture that to me looks too saturated, maybe it's because most people here like more saturated pictures than I do. If people here like a picture that I consider too magenta, too green, too yellow, etc, I can maybe consider that most people have a different taste than my personal taste and I am the rare person. If the results are very disperse, I can think that the differences are not big enough to care, or that really the tastes of people are too disperse to even consider.

Is it not what we are doing all the time when we upload pictures to social networks? We are looking for the approval of other people, to see whether people like or not what we share with them. So this is just an honest way of comparing my own personal taste to that from other people and see how similar or different it is.

Tomorrow hopefully there will be more replies in the poll and I will post the results.

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tbcass · Jan 27, 2020

Krav Maga said:
tbcass said:

Krav Maga said:

What's the purpose of this?

To what end?

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Curiosity maybe. Why do you care what the motivation is?

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Because my answer depends on it. Like I have to explain anything to you.

I fail to see what the motivation of the OP has to do with what was a simple question unless you are trying to start some kind of fight.

Ben Stonewall · Jan 27, 2020

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Krav Maga · Jan 27, 2020

tbcass said:
Krav Maga said:

tbcass said:

Krav Maga said:

What's the purpose of this?

To what end?

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Curiosity maybe. Why do you care what the motivation is?

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Because my answer depends on it. Like I have to explain anything to you.

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I fail to see what the motivation of the OP has to do with what was a simple question unless you are trying to start some kind of fight.

Okay.

Krav Maga · Jan 27, 2020

juanmaasecas said:
Krav Maga said:

What's the purpose of this?

To what end?

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First off, thanks for the response.

juanmaasecas said:
The motivations of this poll are:

- First, to show Sony users how different (or not) their images can look applying different profiles in Lightroom, with the same white balance and prior to editing anything else.

- Second, to help Sony users to purchase (there is a paid profile in the bunch), or download a profile that they find to their liking (or just use it if it's one of the included in Lightroom).

So, it's a business development quest. Fair enough. I do think that there are people out there who would pay for something like that. If you can make some money on it, absolutely more power to you.

juanmaasecas said:
- Third, compare the taste of other people to my taste, to see whether I am in line with them or I am colorblind xD. If I find most people prefer the picture that to me looks too saturated, maybe it's because most people here like more saturated pictures than I do. If people here like a picture that I consider too magenta, too green, too yellow, etc, I can maybe consider that most people have a different taste than my personal taste and I am the rare person. If the results are very disperse, I can think that the differences are not big enough to care, or that really the tastes of people are too disperse to even consider.

I kind of get this, but colors and how people see colors and how colors impact different people can be wildly subjective. The notion of "accurate" colors is largely meaningless. The notion of pleasing colors is more apt. I wonder if that's why you see people in this business offer multiple variations?

juanmaasecas said:
Is it not what we are doing all the time when we upload pictures to social networks? We are looking for the approval of other people, to see whether people like or not what we share with them. So this is just an honest way of comparing my own personal taste to that from other people and see how similar or different it is.

Well, I suppose there are a large number of people for whom that is their main motivation. Nothing wrong with trying to create something to market to them.

Personally, I don't see much value in it, but that's neither here nor there. The reason that I was asking for the why is because, generally speaking, if one creates a custom profile with something like ColorChecker Passport they can create a profile that is generally indistinguishable from camera and then process to taste. For example, I've shot a D750 for years and use a custom camera profile I've created. I recently purchased a a Sony A7R IV. After profiling it there's no real difference between how images from it look in Lightroom from those from the D750. If I shoot a WB patch, there is no perceptible difference. Either way, I'm just looking for a baseline from which I can process to my personal taste.

Again, thanks for the response.

ttran88 · Jan 27, 2020

Why didn't you save us the time and label which camera was for which photo so I could just vote for the Canon and everyone will be happy.

Chaplain Mark · Jan 27, 2020

tbcass said:
Chaplain Mark said:

Hard to decide which color rendering looks best, when the lighting and contrast are so un-flattering as to be distracting.

Sorry for the off-topic response, but that's my answer.

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That doesn't prevent you from deciding which is the best of the 6. For you it would be the best of a poor lot.

Charles2 · Jan 27, 2020

juanmaasecas said:
juanmaasecas wrote: The motivations of this poll are:

- First, to show Sony users how different (or not) their images can look applying different profiles in Lightroom, with the same white balance and prior to editing anything else. ...

The white balance and the tone curve have much more effect on the look of an image than the camera profile. With that proviso, when you get to your list of profiles, please note that users can make their own by taking shots of a Color Checker card. The good people in the Raw Therapee community have provided a thorough guide at

How to create DCP color profiles - RawPedia

rawpedia.rawtherapee.com

juanmaasecas · Jan 27, 2020

Krav Maga said:
juanmaasecas said:

Krav Maga said:

What's the purpose of this?

To what end?

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First off, thanks for the response.

Krav Maga said:

The motivations of this poll are:

- First, to show Sony users how different (or not) their images can look applying different profiles in Lightroom, with the same white balance and prior to editing anything else.

- Second, to help Sony users to purchase (there is a paid profile in the bunch), or download a profile that they find to their liking (or just use it if it's one of the included in Lightroom).

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So, it's a business development quest. Fair enough. I do think that there are people out there who would pay for something like that. If you can make some money on it, absolutely more power to you.

I am not selling any profile (yet xD). One of the profiles there is a paid profile (I paid for it), and maybe some people could be interested in purchasing it, but I don't have any commercial relationship with the developer of such profile.

Krav Maga said:
Krav Maga said:

- Third, compare the taste of other people to my taste, to see whether I am in line with them or I am colorblind xD. If I find most people prefer the picture that to me looks too saturated, maybe it's because most people here like more saturated pictures than I do. If people here like a picture that I consider too magenta, too green, too yellow, etc, I can maybe consider that most people have a different taste than my personal taste and I am the rare person. If the results are very disperse, I can think that the differences are not big enough to care, or that really the tastes of people are too disperse to even consider.

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I kind of get this, but colors and how people see colors and how colors impact different people can be wildly subjective. The notion of "accurate" colors is largely meaningless. The notion of pleasing colors is more apt. I wonder if that's why you see people in this business offer multiple variations?

I could not care less about accurate or not accurate. I care about what people like in general. Myself I discovered some time ago that the look I liked for others was not the look I liked for me. For example, when I edited pictures of other people, I tended to go for a too neutral white balance. However, when I applied that settings to myself, I found that I didn't like how I looked in those pictures, so that I started to edit in a different way, less "neutral", but more pleasing to my eyes, and considering that what is pleasing to me is also pleasing to others. So far I am finding the results of the poll here quite different to the same poll in the Sony forum, and that could explain many things... It's really interesting to me to read the responses and see the results of the poll.

Krav Maga said:
Krav Maga said:

Is it not what we are doing all the time when we upload pictures to social networks? We are looking for the approval of other people, to see whether people like or not what we share with them. So this is just an honest way of comparing my own personal taste to that from other people and see how similar or different it is.

Click to expand...

Well, I suppose there are a large number of people for whom that is their main motivation. Nothing wrong with trying to create something to market to them.

Personally, I don't see much value in it, but that's neither here nor there. The reason that I was asking for the why is because, generally speaking, if one creates a custom profile with something like ColorChecker Passport they can create a profile that is generally indistinguishable from camera and then process to taste. For example, I've shot a D750 for years and use a custom camera profile I've created. I recently purchased a a Sony A7R IV. After profiling it there's no real difference between how images from it look in Lightroom from those from the D750. If I shoot a WB patch, there is no perceptible difference. Either way, I'm just looking for a baseline from which I can process to my personal taste.

Again, thanks for the response.

You're welcome.

I have created profiles for different cameras, and my experience is different. There are some subtle changes in skin tones especially, and in the way that the colors change later with changes in the white balance, it's different between cameras. For example, with some camera brands, you can see that making the picture colder, the picture still looks natural just with a colder look, whereas with other brand, the colors starts to look weird, like some colors not going cold enough, some other saturating too fast, others remaining muted, etc.

Krav Maga · Jan 27, 2020

Then this thread is not for you.

juanmaasecas · Jan 27, 2020

ttran88 said:
Why didn't you save us the time and label which camera was for which photo so I could just vote for the Canon and everyone will be happy.

hahahahaha.

Actually all the variation are from the same raw file, shot on a Sony A7 III.

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