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Welcome to the Wednesday Comments and Critique (No Theme) thread!

We are continuing the great tradition of this C&C thread because we are convinced that looking at and talking about images is vital for better photography.

The idea is simple: you post an image and get critique on it, and in return give other people your opinion of their images, or vice versa.

Please post your image (or essay) in a reply to this very first message in the thread, and not in a reply to someone else's message. This keeps the thread tidy, with a sequence of images and then the comments on those images right under them. Threaded view of the thread is recommended to see what we mean.

Generally, you should post only ONE SINGLE IMAGE for C&C.

TWO EXCEPTIONS and a VARIATION:
  1. You may post two pictures resulting from one shutter release but with different treatment (for example a color and a black & white version, or a different crop) for us to choose from and comment on. You may also post in a single post, two images that are closely related in subject or style.
  2. The thread is also open for the contribution of a Photo Essay of three or more images that should be viewed as a whole and that tell a specific story.
  3. If you want to submit to C&C more than one image (while they do not form an essay or are not closely related), please submit the different images each in their own separate sub thread. This new rule has been created in order to have a greater variety of images in “slow” weeks with few participants. In a “busy” week, please limit yourself to a single submission (image or essay) in order to give as many participants as possible a change to participate.
TWO RULES:
  1. If you post an image, you should critique at least one other image. If you post more than one image, please make an effort to post comments on at least a few images of other members.
  2. Keep your comments honest but polite. If you don’t care for an image try to explain why. This is neither a “Good shot!” nor an image-bashing thread.
Any style, any camera.

Feedback is guaranteed (-for up to 48 h after the thread has started)! Though keep in mind that the thread tends to be busiest during the first 24 hours or so, so later image posts may get little feedback.

HOW TO PLAY:

Single Images

  1. Change the title so we can sort different images out easily!
  2. Remember to add the EXIF if your image doesn't embed it as this may help
  3. Consider telling us what your own opinion on your image is. What prompted you to click that shutter button? What did you see? Why do you like the result? You don't have to explain, but it might be interesting.
  4. You are very welcome to post a group reply to the feedback you have received. This could include a new version of your image modified in response to the comments.
Photo Essays

The idea is that the posted images should be related and together try to tell a story about a place, an event, a travel you made, a (group of) person(s), a hobby or whatever is fit for an essay.
  1. Suggested number of images : minimum 3 and maximum 12 but numbers may vary.
  2. It is allowed (and encouraged) to include some verbal narrative IF you think that helps explain the essay, but text is not required. You can choose to let the images speak for themselves.
  3. Individual technical data of the separate photos is not required, but you can of course give information that you deem relevant.
  4. If you post a series, you commit yourself to critique at least one other series (if there are any; if not critique at least one image...). To make a distinction with the C&C of single images, we feel that comments should not focus on individual images, but on the series as a series. This can cover multiple angles :
  • do you think the series tells the story well?
  • how about the sequence and pace : would you sequence the images differently, and if so, why?
  • is there enough consistency in cropping, angles, PP treatment : does it really feel like a series or is it just a collection of shots?
  • do you think one image is a real highlight, or are there one or more images that would better be removed to prune the essay to a leaner and meaner series?
  • do you think a certain angle of the place/event/... is sorely missing from the story?
  • et cetera
IF THIS IS YOUR FIRST TIME, WELCOME! AND BE SURE TO READ THIS:
  • The critique you give is vital. What was your first impression? What catches your eye about an image? Why? What do you like, and what distracts you? What would you change?
  • Fiddle with the image in your head - composition, perspective, color balance, exposure.
  • It is understood that unless the original poster specifically states that they do not want an altered image posted that you are free to alter the posted image and repost it in a reply for C&C purposes (no use for other purposes!). That reposted image may remain permanently or you may remove it after a short period of time if you prefer. No copyright disputes here!
  • More general feedback is also welcome. Do you know something about taking the same sort of image that would make matters easier - share your own as an example in your reply. Encourage - it is a scary business putting your work up for other people to judge!
  • Finally what is the verdict? Waste-bin? Snapshot? Could be better? Family Album? Frame on wall? Poster-size frame on wall? Billboard? Reuters? World Press Photo? National Geographic? Museum? (pick your own superlative here)
One of the first replies is “The Related Post”. This is the place to post your general musings about the C&C Thread.

In another of the first replies, the “Archives”, you can find the links (and cumulative links) to ALL our previous editions. Enjoy the time-travel!
 
This is a placeholder for conversations on anything related to these C&C threads.

Post your general comments as a reply to THIS post.

Specifically : the place to make arrangements and share ideas for keeping this thread alive and kicking. It is our own PSA system.

But also :

- discussion of our concept of aspects of it broader than a specific image,

- service announcements by the thread starter or anyone else;

- interesting links to other similar initiatives;

- links to something you really want to share with this particular group of people.

- frankly, anything that could be of interest to our group here.

Please post all of that as a reply to this post.
 
An image from a trip to Düsseldorf last summer, where we went to see the Ai Weiwei retrospective exhibitions in K20 and K21 (the City's "Modern Art" & "Contemporary Art" galleries):



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Roel Hendrickx
lots of images: http://www.roelh.zenfolio.com
 
This shot was taken in the Cradle Mountain National Park, Tasmania last week. The smoke was coming from the mainland and the fires were maybe 1000km away.



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Mike Fewster
Adelaide Australia
 
Arbat Street in central Moscow has been renovated and repaired almost to a fault. The bourgeois residences are still there but many house souvenir shops and restaurants now. Not far from the house where Pushkin once lived and loved, is a small lane running off Arbat Street and with this graffiti covered wall.

I will write the background story below the picture, as it will probably change how you look at the photo, and I think it would be interesting to analyse the photo before and afterwards. (OK, you can ignore me if you like!)

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Background story

Kino
was the most popular rock group in the last years of the Soviet Union and their protest songs provided a soundtrack to the Perestroika of the time. Viktor Tsoi was their charismatic singer, guitarist and song-writer and one song in particular, Changes, became more than just a hit, and from what I was told, has a status similar to John Lennon's Imagine.

Despite his fame and money (although the earnings of a Soviet rock star bear no comparison to that of a rock star in the West), he continued to work in the boiler room of the block of flats where he lived, and ploughed his revenues back into the upkeep of the band. This endeared him even more to his fans, who revered him as one of themselves, an ordinary worker.

In August 1990 Viktor Tsoi was killed in a car crash. Somebody wrote "Viktor Tsoi has died today" on the wall, and this was quickly followed by "Tsoi is alive!" and then messages from his fans, lyrics from his songs, portraits and so on. The graffiti covered wall inevitably met with a mixed reception, and there have been many attempts to have it removed, but so far either the plans have been succesfully countered, or the graffiti is quickly replaced after its removal.

Viktor Tsoi remains hugely popular today and, like Buddy Holly, John Lennon and Kurt Cobain, his early violent death did nothing to harm his popularity. His fans leave broken lighted cigarettes in an ashtray by the wall, although unfortunately there were none to be seen when I was there. (It was raining!)
Moscow does not like graffiti and it is usually removed quickly, well in the centre at least, but the graffiti on this wall remains the only one tolerated by the authorities.

If you are interested, here are a couple of links, including videos.

Kino performing Changes

The lyrics of Changes

Viktor Tsoi's protest anthem
 
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I met this gentleman a few days ago at the lake. It isn't easy to rig 5 poles before sunrise in 20 degree (F) winter chill, but Mr. Gardner drove an hour to get to this fishing spot, so he was determined. He and I were both motivated by the first day this month with no rain since our hobbies aren't much fun in a downpour. I just finished making and mailing a print of this for him.

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I think that this is an interesting picture that needs the narrative to have meaning for me … Since I know nothing about the artist that the narrative says was the motivation for showing this wall or the Russian language I cannot appreciate those words that I might see on the wall or understand their significance if I did. … My ignorance limits my appreciation of the picture ... If I did have more knowledge I suspect I would complain that a different angle would have made the words more impactful, as they seem secondary to the scene itself, Most graffiti is more outrageous in color and design than I can perceive here. I suspect this is meant as a J'Accuse moment but again my ignorance is on display, I fear ... …

There is a problem with this thread. It has seemed to be implicit that a single picture stand on its own or tell its own story. As I rarely take such pictures I often have problems participating, as my pictures mostly require or are part of a narrative and I think this picture, for me, requires that narrative. …

I'm not sure this is a proper critique or one that is desired but it my thought on seeing and reading this entry ….

WhyNot
 
This is a picture that does tell it's own story …. A fisherman and a photographer who got out of bed before sunrise to catch that first fish and first rays of sunshine... .. The only question I had with myself about this composition was the placement of the fisherman's head – get down for a lower angle and put his head in the clouds, stand on a bench and submerge him in shadow … Actually after a brief argument with myself I believe you found the right place for him. He is definitely the subject and doesn't have to compete with the sunrise itself ….

WhyNot
 
This is a picture that does tell it's own story …. A fisherman and a photographer who got out of bed before sunrise to catch that first fish and first rays of sunshine... .. The only question I had with myself about this composition was the placement of the fisherman's head – get down for a lower angle and put his head in the clouds, stand on a bench and submerge him in shadow … Actually after a brief argument with myself I believe you found the right place for him. He is definitely the subject and doesn't have to compete with the sunrise itself ….

WhyNot
Thanks! There is an answer to your question, whether my reasoning was good or bad I don't claim to know. I chose the angle that would let me hide the half-risen sun behind his head to get the rimlight effect and avoid lens flare. I took some that perched the sun on his shoulder but as you said, the sun then became the primary visual, so I settled on this version.
 
A beautiful framing of the layers of smoke-hazed vegetation by the near-field limbs. I hope you and your family are able to stay safe from the fires, Mike. I'm glad to see your entry this week. I've been wondering.
 
An image from a trip to Düsseldorf last summer, where we went to see the Ai Weiwei retrospective exhibitions in K20 and K21 (the City's "Modern Art" & "Contemporary Art" galleries):

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We all hav e our personal muses and graces. Roel's muse seems grateful that she hasn't been placed with caryatids.

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Mike Fewster
Adelaide Australia
 
I like the way the graffiti covered was is partly surrounded by, seemingly engulfed by the opulent building behind it. The golden colors of the light reflecting off the graffiti give it an appropriate richness. I really like this shot and your explanation is very enlightening and elevates the photo considerably, although I think the photo could stand on its own aesthetically.
 
This is nice. I really like the placement of the fisherman's head so that the golden perimeter of his face is against the dark background trees, putting the strongest contrast where it helps the most, emphasizing that golden aura, and making the fisherman's face a prominent feature, as it should be. From the face, my eye is led to the hands and then the fishing gear. Strongly backlit photos can be challenging and I think this one is very successful.
 
WhyNot, Thanks for the comments. Regarding your comments about posting a single picture.... I think you have missed the part in the introduction to the thread that welcomes a series of pictures. It states that we will only be commenting on the series itself, but usually there are comments on at least one of the individual photos.

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Scott
 
I think that this is an interesting picture that needs the narrative to have meaning for me … Since I know nothing about the artist that the narrative says was the motivation for showing this wall or the Russian language I cannot appreciate those words that I might see on the wall or understand their significance if I did. … My ignorance limits my appreciation of the picture ... If I did have more knowledge I suspect I would complain that a different angle would have made the words more impactful, as they seem secondary to the scene itself, Most graffiti is more outrageous in color and design than I can perceive here. I suspect this is meant as a J'Accuse moment but again my ignorance is on display, I fear ... …

There is a problem with this thread. It has seemed to be implicit that a single picture stand on its own or tell its own story. As I rarely take such pictures I often have problems participating, as my pictures mostly require or are part of a narrative and I think this picture, for me, requires that narrative. …

I'm not sure this is a proper critique or one that is desired but it my thought on seeing and reading this entry ….

WhyNot
Hi Why not.

This is a response to your comments rather than a C&C of the original. Art doesn't just stand on its own. Everyone brings their own unique truckload of personal memories to their perception of every art experience. I think that good art triggers such responses. Art would be boring if we all responded from the same set of memories. One of the things that I very much enjoy about this weekly forum is picking up on the different reference points that our international group opens up.

You are being much too hard on yourself here in equating unfamiliarity with ignorance.

Re. The rules of the thread. Don't worry about it. We all regularly post groups of photos when the fancy takes us. Go for it.
 
Arbat Street in central Moscow has been renovated and repaired almost to a fault. The bourgeois residences are still there but many house souvenir shops and restaurants now. Not far from the house where Pushkin once lived and loved, is a small lane running off Arbat Street and with this graffiti covered wall.

I will write the background story below the picture, as it will probably change how you look at the photo, and I think it would be interesting to analyse the photo before and afterwards. (OK, you can ignore me if you like!)

919a853c62bd4d69be3075629ace37b0.jpg

Background story

Kino
was the most popular rock group in the last years of the Soviet Union and their protest songs provided a soundtrack to the Perestroika of the time. Viktor Tsoi was their charismatic singer, guitarist and song-writer and one song in particular, Changes, became more than just a hit, and from what I was told, has a status similar to John Lennon's Imagine.

Despite his fame and money (although the earnings of a Soviet rock star bear no comparison to that of a rock star in the West), he continued to work in the boiler room of the block of flats where he lived, and ploughed his revenues back into the upkeep of the band. This endeared him even more to his fans, who revered him as one of themselves, an ordinary worker.

In August 1990 Viktor Tsoi was killed in a car crash. Somebody wrote "Viktor Tsoi has died today" on the wall, and this was quickly followed by "Tsoi is alive!" and then messages from his fans, lyrics from his songs, portraits and so on. The graffiti covered wall inevitably met with a mixed reception, and there have been many attempts to have it removed, but so far either the plans have been succesfully countered, or the graffiti is quickly replaced after its removal.

Viktor Tsoi remains hugely popular today and, like Buddy Holly, John Lennon and Kurt Cobain, his early violent death did nothing to harm his popularity. His fans leave broken lighted cigarettes in an ashtray by the wall, although unfortunately there were none to be seen when I was there. (It was raining!)
Moscow does not like graffiti and it is usually removed quickly, well in the centre at least, but the graffiti on this wall remains the only one tolerated by the authorities.

If you are interested, here are a couple of links, including videos.

Kino performing Changes

The lyrics of Changes

Viktor Tsoi's protest anthem
Viktor Tsoi and Kino were both news to me. Even without those details, the image succeeds in transmitting some of the atmosphere of the background story. The dark wall carries messages that written and also apparent in the state of the wall. The wall points straight at the opulence of the far building. A figure walks in the shadows toward the glitz.

How we interpret this will likely depend on our own political position. Either way, the image is potent.

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Mike Fewster
Adelaide Australia
 
Two cargo ships ..

Oh BTW, the quay seems to be moving but that is another very long cargo ship that is passing by in front of freighter where the activities take place.

Two versions:

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Lou
 

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