What is the best Long Telephoto for the G9, and why?

cosmicnode · Jan 21, 2020

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Just as a neutral observer and pixel peeper (sharpness enthousiast): there is a HUGE difference between those two shots. Sorry to say, but the second photo is not sharp. First one is spot on!

My 2 cents.

Looks like the second shot has back focus.

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Mike.
"I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit, it's the only way to be sure."

SteveY80 · Jan 21, 2020

I own both the 100-400mm and 200mm 2.8 + 1.4 TC from Panasonic. Both good lenses in my opinion, but the 200mm is so sharp even with the TC that a crop from the center @ f/4 comes pretty close to matching the zoom at 400mm f/6.3.

I'm not losing much, apart from the convenience of a zoom, and a slightly more compact/lightweight kit, if I take the 200mm rather than the 100-400mm.

One unusual feature of the 200mm that I really appreciate is the Memory/Call switch. This allows you to store a particular focus distance, then recall it by pressing the lens function button. I find that Panasonic focus is prone to losing the subject, locking on to the background, then refusing to refocus closer. That button/switch provides a quick and convenient way of setting/resetting the focus to roughly the right distance.

gskolenda · Jan 21, 2020

Phocal said:
no amount of gear changing is going to improve your photography until you can accept an honest assessment of your photography. once you can do that you will begin to learn and then you photography will improve.

have a good day

This is only a partial truth. I have improved my photography considerably because of Newer and Better Photographic Equipment, and Technology. Try doing decent Astro work 10 years ago!

OK, I'll build a better house if I use a Table saw versus a Hand saw!

But yes, one does have to be honest with yourself and evaluate your own work.

gskolenda · Jan 21, 2020

Bassaidai said:
Bassaidai said:

Bassaidai said:

Bassaidai said:

Bassaidai said:

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Just as a neutral observer and pixel peeper (sharpness enthousiast): there is a HUGE difference between those two shots. Sorry to say, but the second photo is not sharp. First one is spot on!

My 2 cents.

I believe the background being more blurred and a larger part of the background adds to the sharpness of the first photo, But You mean to tell me you don't think that the fur on this gosling is sharp, and the beak not sharp? Then your monitor is not sharp. My 4Cents!

SteveY80 · Jan 21, 2020

gskolenda said:
Bassaidai said:

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gskolenda said:

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Just as a neutral observer and pixel peeper (sharpness enthousiast): there is a HUGE difference between those two shots. Sorry to say, but the second photo is not sharp. First one is spot on!

My 2 cents.

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I believe the background being more blurred and a larger part of the background adds to the sharpness of the first photo, But You mean to tell me you don't think that the fur on this gosling is sharp, and the beak not sharp? Then your monitor is not sharp. My 4Cents!

It looks OK displayed at a small size in the forum, but at full size the gosling's head is clearly out of focus. I don't really understand how you can't see that.

Personally I'd have deleted that shot as unsalvageable.

gskolenda · Jan 21, 2020

First I did not start this thread to critique my photos. So I'll end it with that. Thank you for the information to those who contributed to suggestions on a good telephoto for the G9. Appreciate it!

macautio · Jan 21, 2020

+1

gosling's head is totally out of focus (strong back focused)

Not to keeper.

These are E1X + zuiko 300mm f4 samples . Handheld and i standing above sharp rock

and hole body wobbling. I cannot believe at another system in these conditions haves

better.

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markku

Bert v B · Jan 21, 2020

No problems here, truely.

hindesite · Jan 21, 2020

cosmicnode said:
It is not the gasket that causes problems with the 100-400 and leaving shavings , a batch of lenses had mounting screws that protruded from the mount and wore away leaving shavings, not a design fault and easily fixed by changing 4 small cheap screws.

Sure, easy. No problem there...

cosmicnode said:
the stiff focusing ring is user error not knowing that the locking ring has a click stop position for fully unlocked,

Do you really think all owners of the 100-400 must be this stupid?

The zoom is so stiff the locking ring is not necessary.

Probably easy to fix by simply disassembling the lens, might as well well replace the mount screws while I'm at it...

cosmicnode said:
The Zoom ring does have a different feel at the 300-400 range but not excessively stiff.

Have you tried this lens?

Own it. Use it.

Phocal · Jan 21, 2020

gskolenda said:
First I did not start this thread to critique my photos. So I'll end it with that. Thank you for the information to those who contributed to suggestions on a good telephoto for the G9. Appreciate it!

No, you posted them as an example of what you are hoping to get with m4/3.

"I think I'm going to have to rent a few lens's and just see how they do. But first, I would like your opinions on if the few MFT telephoto lens's that some are recommending here can provide this kind of sharpness. These were shot with the Nikon 200-500 f5.6, Nikon D750, that camera is sold, These were very slightly cropped, not much at all. I'll gladly sell this 200-500 f5.6 if I can get this kind of sharpness."

After which it was pointed out by a number of us that the images you posted are really not sharp and have little to no detail. Based on your level of acceptability, I and others told you that any of the 300mm or 400mm options will do better than what you are looking for.

I even provided images of the same subject shot with the best 300mm option and the worse 300mm option to show you the real world differences in sharpness as well as detail captured with the lenses.

In closing. Any of the telephoto lenses in m4/3 will provide you with same level of sharpness you are accustomed to.

Bassaidai · Jan 21, 2020

Hi Astro,

would you kindly mind to provide some RAW photos shot with the basic lens, lens + tc14 and lens + tc20? (If possible)

I'm pretty interested in that lens and would love check the raw conversion results using my own standard workflow.

Thanks!

Leo3 · Jan 21, 2020

gskolenda said:
I know the newly announced Oly lens is coming soon, but I anticipate a crazy price!

So, what do many of you think is the best Long Telephoto lens for the G9. I'm wanting to do Wildlife, Birds, BIF, and some landscape photography.

I currently have a Nikon 200-500 f5.6 lens, a Beast, and I have ordered a Nikon F-Mount to MFTd's for my G9, all manual adapter. I'm hoping it will work until I figure out what MFTd's Lens to get.

Can't speak to the PL 200 2.8

can speak to the PL 100-400 and Oly 300 f4 pro

Oly 300 f4 pro is sharper even with mc-14 (at least when 100-400 is at 400)

PL 100-400 is smaller, lighter and more versatile. If those qualities are important then get the 100-400 and forget about the difference in sharpness, it's noticeable but much better than any of the 100-300 zooms.

also with 100-400 you get the IS from both lens and camera working together.

good luck

Rocky IDOM · Jan 22, 2020

Oly 300mm f4 pro

Astrotripper · Jan 22, 2020

Bassaidai said:
Hi Astro,

would you kindly mind to provide some RAW photos shot with the basic lens, lens + tc14 and lens + tc20? (If possible)

I don't have this lens.

Bassaidai said:
I'm pretty interested in that lens and would love check the raw conversion results using my own standard workflow.

IR has sample images, including raw files: https://www.imaging-resource.com/le....8-power-ois-leica-dg-elmarit/gallery-images/

Bassaidai · Jan 22, 2020

Thanks.

hindesite · Jan 22, 2020

Astrotripper said:
Bassaidai said:

Hi Astro,

would you kindly mind to provide some RAW photos shot with the basic lens, lens + tc14 and lens + tc20? (If possible)

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I don't have this lens.

Oh, wow.

I truly wonder how many other comments in this thread are based on hearsay rather than individual experience.

No wonder so few real life examples have been poster.

The Grumpy Snapper · Jan 22, 2020

hindesite said:
Astrotripper said:

Bassaidai said:

Hi Astro,

would you kindly mind to provide some RAW photos shot with the basic lens, lens + tc14 and lens + tc20? (If possible)

Click to expand...

I don't have this lens.

Click to expand...

Oh, wow.

I truly wonder how many other comments in this thread are based on hearsay rather than individual experience.

No wonder so few real life examples have been poster.

This is DPR, you don't have to own equipment to make thousands of posts.

Astrotripper · Jan 22, 2020

hindesite said:
Astrotripper said:

Bassaidai said:

Hi Astro,

would you kindly mind to provide some RAW photos shot with the basic lens, lens + tc14 and lens + tc20? (If possible)

Click to expand...

I don't have this lens.

Click to expand...

Oh, wow.

I truly wonder how many other comments in this thread are based on hearsay rather than individual experience.

Hearsay? No need for that. There's plenty of factual information on the topic, including thorough tests made in controlled conditions.

Will you seriously argue that the 200/2.8 is not the best tele for Panasonic?

I'm all ears, I guess.

hindesite · Jan 22, 2020

Astrotripper said:
hindesite said:

Astrotripper said:

Bassaidai said:

Hi Astro,

would you kindly mind to provide some RAW photos shot with the basic lens, lens + tc14 and lens + tc20? (If possible)

Click to expand...

I don't have this lens.

Click to expand...

Oh, wow.

I truly wonder how many other comments in this thread are based on hearsay rather than individual experience.

Click to expand...

Hearsay? No need for that. There's plenty of factual information on the topic, including thorough tests made in controlled conditions.

Will you seriously argue that the 200/2.8 is not the best tele for Panasonic?

I'm all ears, I guess.

Absolutely, it is not.

I made a comment earlier in the thread, and your post confirms the problem.

Astrotripper said:
Astrotripper said:

"Really nice examples you showed, so many people here spouting off about the shortcomings or merits of some lens combination they may or may not have used; but more likely just read about in the DPR echo chamber.

And not a single example in sight."

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JLWPhoto · Jan 22, 2020

This might be of interest for anyone considering the 200mm +TCs vs the 100-400

What is the best Long Telephoto for the G9, and why?

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