Sony RX100 vii vs RX10 iv?

Digital Shutterbug · Jan 19, 2020

LenRivers said:
For myself even if the camera is rated weather sealed I never chance it. I will use my Olympus TG camera or if I really needed to shoot in these conditions a DSLR like a Nikon D5 class pretty much an interchangeable lens camera with no built in flash is a plus for weather sealing

I just would not shoot in rain or in snow on purpose and if i really wanted to use an RX-10 I would look for a way to shoot with it inside a sealed cover that can make a camera waterproof not weather sealed

That is just my comfort level

You and I are twins in this matter. I don't make a living from my photography, so there is little need to be out in adverse weather conditions. Cold is okay, but moisture is something I avoid. If I get caught in an unexpected rain, the gear gets packed away ASAP.

I like shooting waterfalls and that sometimes means getting some mist on my camera and lens. I try to work quickly and wipe the gear down when finished. I've just never been one to abuse the tools I'm using, whether it be a camera or a hammer.

In the few cases I've gotten my RX cameras wet, they have served me well. They hold up fine when used with caution. I can't speak to rougher usage.

tbcass · Jan 19, 2020

stefpix said:
sony claims the rx10iv is weather sealed.. but I am wondering if you get some rain drizzle on the lens barrel if water and humidity may get in the internal parts of the camera when the lens barrel retracts.

Sony claims weather resistant not waterproof. I have used the camera in a drizzle without problems other than having to wipe off the front lens. I would not trust the camera in a steady rain however, not that I would ever take photographs in the rain unless under a cover of some kind. I'm too much of a woose.

stefpix · Jan 19, 2020

tbcass said:
Sony claims weather resistant not waterproof. I have used the camera in a drizzle without problems other than having to wipe off the front lens. I would not trust the camera in a steady rain however, not that I would ever take photographs in the rain unless under a cover of some kind. I'm too much of a woose.

Thank you, I meant in a light drizzle or close to a waterfall. Sony camera repairs are expensive. as the lens sometimes retracts by itself when the camera goes into sleep mode, I wonder if a few drops on the lens barrel will allow moisture inside the camera.

It would be great to know if Sony would be more specific in their specifications.

When I was shooting Nikon prosumer DSLRs I was less concerned about drizzles.

In bad weather i can always use a housing I have for diving for my RX100x etc.

Digital Nigel · Jan 19, 2020

stefpix said:
tbcass said:

Sony claims weather resistant not waterproof. I have used the camera in a drizzle without problems other than having to wipe off the front lens. I would not trust the camera in a steady rain however, not that I would ever take photographs in the rain unless under a cover of some kind. I'm too much of a woose.

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Thank you, I meant in a light drizzle or close to a waterfall. Sony camera repairs are expensive. as the lens sometimes retracts by itself when the camera goes into sleep mode, I wonder if a few drops on the lens barrel will allow moisture inside the camera.

It would be great to know if Sony would be more specific in their specifications.

When I was shooting Nikon prosumer DSLRs I was less concerned about drizzles.

In bad weather i can always use a housing I have for diving for my RX100x etc.

I've used my RX10 in light rain, and in Antarctic snow, without problems. But I might just have been lucky.

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tbcass · Jan 19, 2020

stefpix said:
Thank you, I meant in a light drizzle or close to a waterfall.

That should not be a problem.

LenRivers · Jan 19, 2020

DDoram · Jan 20, 2020

Hi Bill:

While I don't own the RX100vii, I have both the RX100vi and the RX10iv and find the tandem to be the ideal travel combo. RX100 for light walking and the RX10iv for longer reach.

Dale

bill hansen said:
That seems like a strange subject line, but I'm interested to know if anyone *who has personal experience with both cameras* Can offer opinions on the relative image quality of these two cameras.

My choice, my dream camera, would in many respects be the RX10 iv, but it stretches my budget to the point of breaking. On an upcoming trip to Switzerland, I'm assured by the trip organizer that FLs beyond 200mm aren't going to be used. The RX100 vii, while it's expensive, is less so than the RX10 iv. It's much smaller. Max apertures are close to the same.

Should I be looking at the RX10 vii, or the RX100 iv?

stefpix · Jan 20, 2020

The rx10 v may be around the corner as the rx100 VII has a more advanced autofocus. So the rx100 vi or vii may be the better buy. If no mic input is needed and a slightly less advanced af is not an issue I think the 100 M6 may be a good compromise with cost/performance. If the rx10 v comes out and the iv goes down In price that could be tempting.
anyway the rx100 VII allows me to take photos in a way I did not before. It pushes my creativity and photos look better than those I took with Nikon dslrs some years back.

Dak on cam · Jan 20, 2020

Dale108 said:
Hi Bill:

While I don't own the RX100vii, I have both the RX100vi and the RX10iv and find the tandem to be the ideal travel combo. RX100 for light walking and the RX10iv for longer reach.

Dale

bill hansen said:

My choice, my dream camera, would in many respects be the RX10 iv, but it stretches my budget to the point of breaking.

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Because the desired camera is almost too dear to contemplate, better get another one on top? That does not really sound like the kind of advice Bill had been looking for.

Jerry045 · Jan 20, 2020

stefpix said:
sony claims the rx10iv is weather sealed.. but I am wondering if you get some rain drizzle on the lens barrel if water and humidity may get in the internal parts of the camera when the lens barrel retracts.

I am not going to be the one to test the limits of Sony's "weather resistant" claim.

I snagged a free shower cap at some hotel and keep it in my camera bag. In a misty or drizzly situation I loop the elastic part over the top tang of the sun shield and stretch it over the back of the camera. There is no problem pressing any buttons through the thin plastic, and the camera stays nice and dry.

If it is in a harder rain, my camera is stowed.

Jerry045 · Jan 20, 2020

bill hansen said:
That seems like a strange subject line, but I'm interested to know if anyone *who has personal experience with both cameras* Can offer opinions on the relative image quality of these two cameras.

My choice, my dream camera, would in many respects be the RX10 iv, but it stretches my budget to the point of breaking. On an upcoming trip to Switzerland, I'm assured by the trip organizer that FLs beyond 200mm aren't going to be used. The RX100 vii, while it's expensive, is less so than the RX10 iv. It's much smaller. Max apertures are close to the same.

Should I be looking at the RX10 vii, or the RX100 iv?

Bill:

Why not look at a pre-owned RX10iv? Prices at B&H for a used RX10iv = the cost of a new RX100vii. Buying used from a reputable dealer offers a warranty and reduces any risk you might have buying used.

While it is definitely larger, the RX10iv offers more range.

When I travel, it is my main camera, and my small backup camera only gets used about 5% of the time. Lots of times, one physically cannot get close enough to some sites or scenes, and that extra zoom range comes in handy.

BrentSchumer · Jan 20, 2020

Jerry045 said:
bill hansen said:

That seems like a strange subject line, but I'm interested to know if anyone *who has personal experience with both cameras* Can offer opinions on the relative image quality of these two cameras.

My choice, my dream camera, would in many respects be the RX10 iv, but it stretches my budget to the point of breaking. On an upcoming trip to Switzerland, I'm assured by the trip organizer that FLs beyond 200mm aren't going to be used. The RX100 vii, while it's expensive, is less so than the RX10 iv. It's much smaller. Max apertures are close to the same.

Should I be looking at the RX10 vii, or the RX100 iv?

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Bill:

Why not look at a pre-owned RX10iv? Prices at B&H for a used RX10iv = the cost of a new RX100vii. Buying used from a reputable dealer offers a warranty and reduces any risk you might have buying used.

While it is definitely larger, the RX10iv offers more range.

When I travel, it is my main camera, and my small backup camera only gets used about 5% of the time. Lots of times, one physically cannot get close enough to some sites or scenes, and that extra zoom range comes in handy.

Amazon Warehouse has "like new" RX10IVs for $1,125 + tax. These are supposed to be perfect returns with opened packaging, though I did have to return a "like new RX100VI" for obvious damage for another "Like New" unit that I kept (but Amazon will cross-ship any replacements free of charge). The big advantage for Amazon is that you can pair their warehouse deals with a 3-year accidental damage extended warranty for like $45.

Amazon.com

After a bad experience with Adorama used I would shy away from their offerings. I haven't tried any used gear from B&H, but their $1,179 RX10IV has minor damage and their 2 year warranty is $215.

ProDude · Jan 20, 2020

stefpix said:
The rx10 v may be around the corner as the rx100 VII has a more advanced autofocus.

I seriously don't see a MkV on it's way but so many seem to be lusting over one for the tiny improvements supposedly to be relegated to such a model

Umm thus far I have not lost a shot of fast moving subjects (geese in flight, running dogs, kids, motor cars and motorcycles and more) so how you do figure the 100VII is so far advanced from a MkIV RX10 if I have yet to lost a shot to difficult to track subjects yet?

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bill hansen · Jan 20, 2020

Thanks - I use the Panny ZS200 for my in-pocket camera. The image quality it provides (my copy anyway) is far better than the reviews and some of the comments imply. I also have the FZ1000, but I will probably rent an RX10 iv for this trip in June.

stefpix · Jan 20, 2020

ProDude said:
Umm thus far I have not lost a shot of fast moving subjects (geese in flight, running dogs, kids, motor cars and motorcycles and more) so how you do figure the 100VII is so far advanced from a MkIV RX10 if I have yet to lost a shot to difficult to track subjects yet?

sybersitizen · Jan 20, 2020

stefpix said:
ProDude said:

stefpix said:

The rx10 v may be around the corner as the rx100 VII has a more advanced autofocus.

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Umm thus far I have not lost a shot of fast moving subjects (geese in flight, running dogs, kids, motor cars and motorcycles and more) so how you do figure the 100VII is so far advanced from a MkIV RX10 if I have yet to lost a shot to difficult to track subjects yet?

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I have the rx10 m3. I definitely have lost shots because of the poor autofocus. The rx100 vii is an ocean better.

I see two actual RX10 models mentioned, plus another theoretical RX10 model. If there's a point to be made here, somebody should make it clearly because I don't know what it is.

Peter Foiles · Jan 20, 2020

Jerry045 said:
bill hansen said:

That seems like a strange subject line, but I'm interested to know if anyone *who has personal experience with both cameras* Can offer opinions on the relative image quality of these two cameras.

My choice, my dream camera, would in many respects be the RX10 iv, but it stretches my budget to the point of breaking. On an upcoming trip to Switzerland, I'm assured by the trip organizer that FLs beyond 200mm aren't going to be used. The RX100 vii, while it's expensive, is less so than the RX10 iv. It's much smaller. Max apertures are close to the same.

Should I be looking at the RX10 vii, or the RX100 iv?

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Bill:

Why not look at a pre-owned RX10iv? Prices at B&H for a used RX10iv = the cost of a new RX100vii. Buying used from a reputable dealer offers a warranty and reduces any risk you might have buying used.

While it is definitely larger, the RX10iv offers more range.

When I travel, it is my main camera, and my small backup camera only gets used about 5% of the time. Lots of times, one physically cannot get close enough to some sites or scenes, and that extra zoom range comes in handy.

I received an EX+ condition RX10iv from KEH a few days ago for $1279 I believe. Aside from the lack of original packaging the camera could pass as new and function has been flawless.

BrentSchumer · Jan 20, 2020

ProDude said:
I seriously don't see a MkV on it's way but so many seem to be lusting over one for the tiny improvements supposedly to be relegated to such a model

Umm thus far I have not lost a shot of fast moving subjects (geese in flight, running dogs, kids, motor cars and motorcycles and more) so how you do figure the 100VII is so far advanced from a MkIV RX10 if I have yet to lost a shot to difficult to track subjects yet?

No one is saying "the RX10IV is trash, so anyone who owns it should feel bad." There's just a bunch of things that Sony could port over to the RX10V from existing cameras that would make it an even better option:

UHS-II slot
New real time tracking
Blackout-free EVF
Unlimited 4K recording
Joystick
Front dial

That's not saying that you're missing shots now from holding a useless hunk of junk, but rather that there are some great quality-of-life upgrades on the way.

bill hansen · Jan 20, 2020

Good thoughts - but it comes down to whether I could justify spending twice the amount for a camera to use on this trip, and probably for some birding and other wildlife later on. A rental for 6 weeks (Four weeks to practice with the camera, two weeks for the trip and return) will cost me about $600 while even the least expensive excellent used RX10 iv would cost $1100-1300.

tbcass · Jan 21, 2020

stefpix said:
ProDude said:

Umm thus far I have not lost a shot of fast moving subjects (geese in flight, running dogs, kids, motor cars and motorcycles and more) so how you do figure the 100VII is so far advanced from a MkIV RX10 if I have yet to lost a shot to difficult to track subjects yet?

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I have the rx10 m3. I definitely have lost shots because of the poor autofocus. The rx100 vii is an ocean better. The rx10 IV is not something I would buy at that price. If a new model comes out and tbe price drops I may consider it. But I don't often need a lens beyond 200. As a photographer it's always better to get aa close.

Irrelevant because we are discussing the 10iv which has AF far advanced compared to the 10iii.

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