Unfair bashing of the Fuji 16-80mm?

Some of the other posts on this thread have actually convinced me that the 16-80 is actually pretty good! It seems quite good at 16mm, with the weakest focal length 80mm which would be less important for landscape. Still, I don't read internet lens reviews anymore. In my early days of learning photography, I feel that they hindered learning and did more harm than good. It's the pictures that count, I feel. A great photo is a great photo, irrespective of a bit of so-called corner softness at such and such a focal length.

The 14 & 16mm primes aren't that big either and will give you excellent performance. Take one of them along with your 18-55 as an alternative! Still small and light.

I like m4/3, but I'm not sure how many people really use it for landscape these days. All systems have their strengths and weaknesses. This thread has convinced me that the lens isn't as bad as the internet exaggeration is suggesting.

I would definately try the lens myself before letting the internet convince you that you need to switch systems because of it.

(I only chimed in here as someone who's made one too many costly mistakes in my early days due to this sort of chatter.......)

Best Regards,

Jason
 
what you have just said perfectly demonstrated a theory in psychological finance called endowment bias. Because you own something it has to be perfect. Any criticism to it is unfair.
Ever since I’ve been testing and shooting with my new Fuji 16-80, I’ve been perplexed by the harsh criticism of a lens I’ve found to be really very good, especially for a 5:1 zoom. The Internet echo chamber seems to grossly be exaggerating the negatives, especially from those who have never actually used the lens.

The new Lenstip.com review just posted gives some objective, numerical results that make me question even more. (Lenstip’s results are totally consistent with my tests and earlier review.)

Compared to the widely—and deservedly—praised Fuji 10-24, the 16-80 in the 16-17mm range beats it handily in the center (72-68) and comes very close at the edge (51-52]. In the 24-30mm range, the 16-80 beats it 69-58 in the center and 62-44 at the edge.

The 16-80 beats the Fuji 18-55 at each focal length tested in both the center and edge, and that’s comparing a 3:1 zoom to a 5:1 zoom. It also tested better than the prime 35mm f1.4, 69-66 in the center and 58-45 on the edge, and was even closely comparable to the 50mm f2.

Is it perfect? No, it’s quite weak at 80mm on the edges. (But my testing indicates it’s somewhat better at 60 and 70mm.) Are there some bad copies out there? Absolutely. But, unfortunately, sample-to-sample variations seem to be the norm, especially for zoom lenses today. Is it expensive? Yes.

Factoring in the suburb build quality, weather resistance, manageable size and weight, great range and extraordinary image stabilization, I think this lens has gotten a very undeserved bad rap.

—David Garth
 
what you have just said perfectly demonstrated a theory in psychological finance called endowment bias. Because you own something it has to be perfect. Any criticism to it is unfair.
Ever since I’ve been testing and shooting with my new Fuji 16-80, I’ve been perplexed by the harsh criticism of a lens I’ve found to be really very good, especially for a 5:1 zoom. The Internet echo chamber seems to grossly be exaggerating the negatives, especially from those who have never actually used the lens.

The new Lenstip.com review just posted gives some objective, numerical results that make me question even more. (Lenstip’s results are totally consistent with my tests and earlier review.)

Compared to the widely—and deservedly—praised Fuji 10-24, the 16-80 in the 16-17mm range beats it handily in the center (72-68) and comes very close at the edge (51-52]. In the 24-30mm range, the 16-80 beats it 69-58 in the center and 62-44 at the edge.

The 16-80 beats the Fuji 18-55 at each focal length tested in both the center and edge, and that’s comparing a 3:1 zoom to a 5:1 zoom. It also tested better than the prime 35mm f1.4, 69-66 in the center and 58-45 on the edge, and was even closely comparable to the 50mm f2.

Is it perfect? No, it’s quite weak at 80mm on the edges. (But my testing indicates it’s somewhat better at 60 and 70mm.) Are there some bad copies out there? Absolutely. But, unfortunately, sample-to-sample variations seem to be the norm, especially for zoom lenses today. Is it expensive? Yes.

Factoring in the suburb build quality, weather resistance, manageable size and weight, great range and extraordinary image stabilization, I think this lens has gotten a very undeserved bad rap.

—David Garth
I think it’s called “confirmational bias.” Guilty as charged.
 
what you have just said perfectly demonstrated a theory in psychological finance called endowment bias. Because you own something it has to be perfect. Any criticism to it is unfair.
Ever since I’ve been testing and shooting with my new Fuji 16-80, I’ve been perplexed by the harsh criticism of a lens I’ve found to be really very good, especially for a 5:1 zoom. The Internet echo chamber seems to grossly be exaggerating the negatives, especially from those who have never actually used the lens.

The new Lenstip.com review just posted gives some objective, numerical results that make me question even more. (Lenstip’s results are totally consistent with my tests and earlier review.)

Compared to the widely—and deservedly—praised Fuji 10-24, the 16-80 in the 16-17mm range beats it handily in the center (72-68) and comes very close at the edge (51-52]. In the 24-30mm range, the 16-80 beats it 69-58 in the center and 62-44 at the edge.

The 16-80 beats the Fuji 18-55 at each focal length tested in both the center and edge, and that’s comparing a 3:1 zoom to a 5:1 zoom. It also tested better than the prime 35mm f1.4, 69-66 in the center and 58-45 on the edge, and was even closely comparable to the 50mm f2.

Is it perfect? No, it’s quite weak at 80mm on the edges. (But my testing indicates it’s somewhat better at 60 and 70mm.) Are there some bad copies out there? Absolutely. But, unfortunately, sample-to-sample variations seem to be the norm, especially for zoom lenses today. Is it expensive? Yes.

Factoring in the suburb build quality, weather resistance, manageable size and weight, great range and extraordinary image stabilization, I think this lens has gotten a very undeserved bad rap.

—David Garth
I actually said it’s NOT perfect.
 
While I agree with many of the points that the OP made, I want to share my disappointment with this lens based off of many images that people have posted in addition to the Lenstip review.

I never expected this lens to be perfect. Any 5x zoom lens is going to have to make compromises in order to maintain low weight and cost. I'm particularly disappointed in this lens' performance on the wide end. The 15-45 is noticeably better (and as someone else pointed out, the 15-45 and 16-80 Lenstip reviews are comparable). For my landscape photography, I want images that are sharp corner-to-corner wide open. I don't care so much that the lens if soft at 80mm because the 16-55 and 18-55 lenses don't go to 80mm. I can accept compromises on the long end if it means getting access to the long end.

What's disappointing is that it's clear that other manufacturers have been able to produce high quality zoom lenses. On M43, Olympus has hit it out of the park with the 12-40 and 12-100 zooms. In fact, the 12-100, with a longer zoom range, is sharper both wide open AND at the long end! For FF, Sony's 24-105 and Canon's 24-105 are both highly regarded lenses. Remember, all zoom lenses require compromises, and obviously none of the lenses that I am listing from other manufacturers are as sharp as primes that you can get for their systems.

I'm a landscape photographer who is seriously considering switching to Fuji. There is a lot to love about the system. But I'm struggling with building a compact setup given the options for zoom lenses. The 18-55 is excellent, but lacks weather-sealing, and isn't as wide as I would like (16 vs. 18 is a big difference for me). The 18-135 has weather-sealing, but is a very mixed bag optically, and again doesn't have 16 on the wide end. The 16-55 is an amazing lens, but lacks OIS, and is heavy. For landscape, I don't often need f/2.8, and I also don't want the increased weight of the X-H1 versus the X-T3. I was hoping that the 16-80 would be MY "perfect lens" (quotes here to signify that these decisions are personal, this is the perfect lens for ME) in the Fuji system, but it clearly isn't.

I'm seriously considering switching to a M43 system because those Olympus zooms that I mentioned fit my criteria. Fuji makes incredible prime lenses, but for MY needs (again, your needs may be totally different), the zooms just aren't cutting it. A better 16-80 would have been awesome! A 16-55 with OIS (or X-T3/X-T30 with IBIS) would be helpful. An optically better 18-135 would be helpful too.

Apologies for the rambling.
My thoughts exactly. I am a landscape photographer and hike great (mainly mountainous) distances to my shooting locations. I have learned to get on with the 16-55, in spite of its heft. It's not really as bad as I once imagined it would be, but it does bother me that I'm toting around so much weight for an APS-C system.

For months, the 16-80 release was going to represent my entry into the system but I capitulated far sooner. Yesterday, I returned my second (and last) copy of the lens. I don't ever intend on re-purchasing a lens I had returned -- it's unfair to retailers. My uncharacteristic decision to do so speaks to how much I wanted this lens to work -- it has a lot going for it. I wondered if my first copy was a lemon and the second one would behave better at the wide end. Unfortunately, the performance of both copies was consistent. They both did everything right except perform at the wide end. All I was looking for was acceptable at 16mm. Like you, I was indifferent about its performance at 80mm, merely grateful it did it. Since most other mid-range zooms don't even cover this focal length.

The second copy came with the latest firmware installed on it (1.02) and here is it vs the 16-55 at 16mm. I took these handheld.

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In the mid-range, it's a lot better. These 2 sets were taken on a tripod.

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It's a shame the details are so smeary at 16mm. As much as I love taking compressed landscapes with the telephoto end, 16-20mm is my bread-and-butter focal range. I think for many other applications (beyond landscape) this would be a fine lens. To those shooters not afflicted with the pixel-peeping disease, it would work well for just about any subject matter.

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While I agree with many of the points that the OP made, I want to share my disappointment with this lens based off of many images that people have posted in addition to the Lenstip review.

I never expected this lens to be perfect. Any 5x zoom lens is going to have to make compromises in order to maintain low weight and cost. I'm particularly disappointed in this lens' performance on the wide end. The 15-45 is noticeably better (and as someone else pointed out, the 15-45 and 16-80 Lenstip reviews are comparable). For my landscape photography, I want images that are sharp corner-to-corner wide open. I don't care so much that the lens if soft at 80mm because the 16-55 and 18-55 lenses don't go to 80mm. I can accept compromises on the long end if it means getting access to the long end.

What's disappointing is that it's clear that other manufacturers have been able to produce high quality zoom lenses. On M43, Olympus has hit it out of the park with the 12-40 and 12-100 zooms. In fact, the 12-100, with a longer zoom range, is sharper both wide open AND at the long end! For FF, Sony's 24-105 and Canon's 24-105 are both highly regarded lenses. Remember, all zoom lenses require compromises, and obviously none of the lenses that I am listing from other manufacturers are as sharp as primes that you can get for their systems.

I'm a landscape photographer who is seriously considering switching to Fuji. There is a lot to love about the system. But I'm struggling with building a compact setup given the options for zoom lenses. The 18-55 is excellent, but lacks weather-sealing, and isn't as wide as I would like (16 vs. 18 is a big difference for me). The 18-135 has weather-sealing, but is a very mixed bag optically, and again doesn't have 16 on the wide end. The 16-55 is an amazing lens, but lacks OIS, and is heavy. For landscape, I don't often need f/2.8, and I also don't want the increased weight of the X-H1 versus the X-T3. I was hoping that the 16-80 would be MY "perfect lens" (quotes here to signify that these decisions are personal, this is the perfect lens for ME) in the Fuji system, but it clearly isn't.

I'm seriously considering switching to a M43 system because those Olympus zooms that I mentioned fit my criteria. Fuji makes incredible prime lenses, but for MY needs (again, your needs may be totally different), the zooms just aren't cutting it. A better 16-80 would have been awesome! A 16-55 with OIS (or X-T3/X-T30 with IBIS) would be helpful. An optically better 18-135 would be helpful too.

Apologies for the rambling.
Not at all. Others have similar feelings. IMO Fuji does not have a home-run, reasonably light, mid-range zoom with the full compliment of build quality, optics, and tech. It's really too bad.
 
The Olympus 12-100mm is one of the most impressive lenses made in the last decade (in my opinion). It's rare to see a zoom with an almost 8x zoom range that is sharp through the frame, even wide open. If you're happy with the output of the 20mp M43 sensor, I think you would find an E-M1ii + 12-100 combo to meet your needs in a very condensed package.
 
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It is quite misleading to put figures that are not comparable next to each other and draw conclusions from them: I wonder if this was an oversight or something regarded as inconsequential by the original poster. Or maybe even intentional: to create 'evidence' in support of his point despite knowing such a comparison is unfair.

I find it even more concerning that 32 users 'liked' the original post despite the clear error in comparing Lenstip's results made with different resolution Fuji cameras.

Did they bother to check Lenstip to see if the claims he was making were true? Or perhaps it didn't matter so long as the opinion he voiced aligned with that or their own.

Anyhow, this makes it clear that even with measured figures with clearly stated methodologies, folks will still find a way to twist these figures to support their own views.
 
The Olympus 12-100mm is one of the most impressive lenses made in the last decade (in my opinion). It's rare to see a zoom with an almost 8x zoom range that is sharp through the frame, even wide open. If you're happy with the output of the 20mp M43 sensor, I think you would find an E-M1ii + 12-100 combo to meet your needs in a very condensed package.
I've not owned or used the 12-100mm, but have handled one once and seen plenty of output and comments. I don't think I have ever seen a lens so universally praised as the 12-100mm. The occasional person will say it is heavy (it's not) and the rare person will say it is a bit slow at f/4, but I don't think I have ever seen a comment about its image quality that was anything other than glowing.

It also seems to have a complete lack of individual variation - I have never read about anyone buying a dud copy and having to send it back. A lens like the Panasonic 100-400mm seems to have more bad copies than good, but the 12-100mm seems to have remarkable consistency.
 
OpticalLimits tested the 12-100 and the result was good but not that impressive.

At 12 mm there is a barrel distortion of 6,9 % and 1,8 stops vignetting. Both can be corrected of course but with loss of picture quality.

"It`s jack of all trades and a master of none" - written in the final verdict.

There is no free lunch, especially not on 5+ times zooms, that`s why on MF you will find only 2x zooms.
 
what you have just said perfectly demonstrated a theory in psychological finance called endowment bias. Because you own something it has to be perfect. Any criticism to it is unfair.
Ever since I’ve been testing and shooting with my new Fuji 16-80, I’ve been perplexed by the harsh criticism of a lens I’ve found to be really very good, especially for a 5:1 zoom. The Internet echo chamber seems to grossly be exaggerating the negatives, especially from those who have never actually used the lens.

The new Lenstip.com review just posted gives some objective, numerical results that make me question even more. (Lenstip’s results are totally consistent with my tests and earlier review.)

Compared to the widely—and deservedly—praised Fuji 10-24, the 16-80 in the 16-17mm range beats it handily in the center (72-68) and comes very close at the edge (51-52]. In the 24-30mm range, the 16-80 beats it 69-58 in the center and 62-44 at the edge.

The 16-80 beats the Fuji 18-55 at each focal length tested in both the center and edge, and that’s comparing a 3:1 zoom to a 5:1 zoom. It also tested better than the prime 35mm f1.4, 69-66 in the center and 58-45 on the edge, and was even closely comparable to the 50mm f2.

Is it perfect? No, it’s quite weak at 80mm on the edges. (But my testing indicates it’s somewhat better at 60 and 70mm.) Are there some bad copies out there? Absolutely. But, unfortunately, sample-to-sample variations seem to be the norm, especially for zoom lenses today. Is it expensive? Yes.

Factoring in the suburb build quality, weather resistance, manageable size and weight, great range and extraordinary image stabilization, I think this lens has gotten a very undeserved bad rap.

—David Garth
Except that he is citing objective test data
 
While I agree with many of the points that the OP made, I want to share my disappointment with this lens based off of many images that people have posted in addition to the Lenstip review.

I never expected this lens to be perfect. Any 5x zoom lens is going to have to make compromises in order to maintain low weight and cost. I'm particularly disappointed in this lens' performance on the wide end. The 15-45 is noticeably better (and as someone else pointed out, the 15-45 and 16-80 Lenstip reviews are comparable). For my landscape photography, I want images that are sharp corner-to-corner wide open. I don't care so much that the lens if soft at 80mm because the 16-55 and 18-55 lenses don't go to 80mm. I can accept compromises on the long end if it means getting access to the long end.

What's disappointing is that it's clear that other manufacturers have been able to produce high quality zoom lenses. On M43, Olympus has hit it out of the park with the 12-40 and 12-100 zooms. In fact, the 12-100, with a longer zoom range, is sharper both wide open AND at the long end! For FF, Sony's 24-105 and Canon's 24-105 are both highly regarded lenses. Remember, all zoom lenses require compromises, and obviously none of the lenses that I am listing from other manufacturers are as sharp as primes that you can get for their systems.

I'm a landscape photographer who is seriously considering switching to Fuji. There is a lot to love about the system. But I'm struggling with building a compact setup given the options for zoom lenses. The 18-55 is excellent, but lacks weather-sealing, and isn't as wide as I would like (16 vs. 18 is a big difference for me). The 18-135 has weather-sealing, but is a very mixed bag optically, and again doesn't have 16 on the wide end. The 16-55 is an amazing lens, but lacks OIS, and is heavy. For landscape, I don't often need f/2.8, and I also don't want the increased weight of the X-H1 versus the X-T3. I was hoping that the 16-80 would be MY "perfect lens" (quotes here to signify that these decisions are personal, this is the perfect lens for ME) in the Fuji system, but it clearly isn't.

I'm seriously considering switching to a M43 system because those Olympus zooms that I mentioned fit my criteria. Fuji makes incredible prime lenses, but for MY needs (again, your needs may be totally different), the zooms just aren't cutting it. A better 16-80 would have been awesome! A 16-55 with OIS (or X-T3/X-T30 with IBIS) would be helpful. An optically better 18-135 would be helpful too.

Apologies for the rambling.
I've actually gone through a similar process as well. I tried m43 on 2 occasions, found the olympus 40-150 to be very nice. I didnt like the rendering and outpt I got for landscapes though, I used the PL 8-18. Im on the xt 3 with 16-55 for now, tried and returned the 16-80 for the same reasons others have mentioned above (weakness at 16mm). The oly 12-100 seems like a good way to go for a do it all landscape zoom. But at the end of the day I just like the fuji body ergonomics, usage/interface, and output I get.
 
Not at all. Others have similar feelings. IMO Fuji does not have a home-run, reasonably light, mid-range zoom with the full compliment of build quality, optics, and tech. It's really too bad.
I agree. Something just like the existing 16-80 F4 WR, same specs and so on, but with stellar optical performance. Worth about $1000 to me, at least. Would this be a "Red Badge" version?

Existing lens as-is, maybe $600 and maybe I don't really want it at all. Too much trouble.

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The Olympus 12-100mm is one of the most impressive lenses made in the last decade (in my opinion). It's rare to see a zoom with an almost 8x zoom range that is sharp through the frame, even wide open. If you're happy with the output of the 20mp M43 sensor, I think you would find an E-M1ii + 12-100 combo to meet your needs in a very condensed package.
Starting to get severe GAS about this very thing...

Struggling to keep my plastic in my pocket!
 
It should be noted that Lenstip, when they were earlier asked in the comments why they didn’t upgrade their test camera, stated that it didn’t make a significant difference in the test results. There is one lens that they tested with both 16 and 24 megapixel cameras and it only made a 2-3 lpm difference. So, although the results are not perfectly comparable, it’s still better and more objective than random users seat-of-the-pants impressions, and is close enough to make it unlikely that one lens is “garbage” and another one “stellar” that tested similarly

From Lenstip FAQ:

>> 23. Can you compare test results of lenses, got on different bodies? Yes, to some extent. The tests results, presented on the Lenstip.com website, are comparable because of implementing a well-thought-out procedure, based on the unsharpened RAW files analysis. MTF50 values, which any tested lens reaches in our tests, depend not only on its optical properties but also on the sensor it was tested on. Still some appropriate comparison can be done because of a test analysis, in which one and the same device is tested on several platforms.
 
There seems to be two groups of people who complain about this lens: people who wanted superb image quality at the wide end and people who wanted superb image quality at the long end.

The first group sees the big advantage of the lens being a wider option than several other zooms and a possible 16mm replacement for the heavy 16-55 f2.8 zoom. Lots of landscape photographers in this group. If you were hoping for great corner to corner sharpness at 16mm, this lens is a disappointment. I was in this camp and this was my biggest hesitation to purchasing the lens. Fortunately the 16mm performance is good enough to make great images if you can keep your pixel peeping expectations under control.

The second group sees the big advantage of the lens as the extra reach. This group seems to focus on the 80mm performance as representative of the entire 55-80 range. Since the 80mm performance is not stellar this group sees the lens as a big disappointment.

I think Fuji's biggest mistake with this lens was not nailing the image quality at either end. A lot of Fuji's consumer lenses are at least very good at one end or the other. The 10-24 is excellent at 10mm but fairly weak at 24. The 55-200 is excellent at 55mm but for many people a bit weaker at 200mm. The 18-55mm is usually very good at 18mm but some are not so great at 55mm. But the 16-80 is not excellent at either extreme.

Such criticism constantly pops up any time this lens is discussed. How many of the detractor comments simply boil down to "the 16mm/80mm performance isn't good enough for me"? That's fine if that is the case. The 16-80 is not the lens for you.

Those steady, repeated comments tend to drown out the other commentary about this lens. You don't hear as much about how the lens is pretty excellent through much of the range, the build quality and handling is awesome, it's a supremely useful and practical zoom range, and believe it or not it can take a lot of great pictures.
 
The Olympus 12-100mm is one of the most impressive lenses made in the last decade (in my opinion). It's rare to see a zoom with an almost 8x zoom range that is sharp through the frame, even wide open. If you're happy with the output of the 20mp M43 sensor, I think you would find an E-M1ii + 12-100 combo to meet your needs in a very condensed package.
Thanks for the idea. Having seen the optical test graph on I-R, I just looked into pricing.

https://www.imaging-resource.com/le...-m.zuiko-digital-ed/blur/(micro-four-thirds)/

Aside from the fact that I'm sick of looking at 4:3 photos from my P&S cameras on 16:9 monitors, you are talking about a $2500 option.

Looks like I could get better results at wide angle from the X-T100 with 15-45 lens, only $500. The quality difference in the DPreview studio scene is visible even at ISO 200 and increases with ISO. Plus it's 3:2 native.

Or maybe buy a used XF 18-55. Now that the 16-80 has been proven to be stellar (cough) they should come up frequently for sale. :-(
 
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I suspect I'll take my share of heat for this, but I can live with that...

It's always best to keep in mind that different classes of lenses will have different standards to meet. There are always compromises in any zoom lens design, particularly when the FL range is quite wide (5:1), as it is with this lens. Reading all the posts about this for quite some time, I think many people walk into this with overly high expectations and wonder why they're not seeing near prime level IQ across its range similar to what they might expect from a red badge zoom, like the 16-55 (3.5:1 range).

The longer the zoom range, the greater the compromises necessary in the lens design... it's simply a matter of physics. Reading all the furor in this forum over the 16-80 over the last few weeks, I really have to wonder whether the expectations that many people have for this lens are far in excess of what is realistic. This is a lens designed to be used in kits and offered at lower prices than Fuji's red-badged lenses, like the 16-55, which can deliver better build and near prime image quality, and do so by operating within a smaller FL range (and at a higher price).

Maybe, just maybe, it's time for some folks to get real and to set more realistic expectations. If you're expecting red badge quality, then you'll need to plan on springing for the cost of a red badge lens and probably having to live with other compromises, such as a smaller FL range and possibly no OIS (a place where IBIS really comes in handy as a way of dealing with that issue, BTW).

I'm sure I'll suffer a bit of a beating for this, but I'm fine with that. After reading a few weeks worth of whine fest in this forum over this lens, I guess I just needed to put this on the table. Bottom line: TANSTAAFL. (look it up)

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If (and it is an if ) we agree with this the only conclusion is that the 16-80 is very bad value at this time when you take current 16-55 (and 18-55?) price (special offer prices have little to do with manufacturing costs just a marketing ploy) into consideration. This is compounded by Fuji’s quality being poor on this specific lens in light of the many reports of variable IQ. I could readily purchase in Asia where prices are currently lower but the variable IQ leads me to put off local purchase until the price adjusts to correct level.
 
Have you thought of Sony A7III + 24-105mm f4 as an alternative to the Fuji combo?
 
While I agree with many of the points that the OP made, I want to share my disappointment with this lens based off of many images that people have posted in addition to the Lenstip review.

I never expected this lens to be perfect. Any 5x zoom lens is going to have to make compromises in order to maintain low weight and cost. I'm particularly disappointed in this lens' performance on the wide end. The 15-45 is noticeably better (and as someone else pointed out, the 15-45 and 16-80 Lenstip reviews are comparable). For my landscape photography, I want images that are sharp corner-to-corner wide open. I don't care so much that the lens if soft at 80mm because the 16-55 and 18-55 lenses don't go to 80mm. I can accept compromises on the long end if it means getting access to the long end.

What's disappointing is that it's clear that other manufacturers have been able to produce high quality zoom lenses. On M43, Olympus has hit it out of the park with the 12-40 and 12-100 zooms. In fact, the 12-100, with a longer zoom range, is sharper both wide open AND at the long end! For FF, Sony's 24-105 and Canon's 24-105 are both highly regarded lenses. Remember, all zoom lenses require compromises, and obviously none of the lenses that I am listing from other manufacturers are as sharp as primes that you can get for their systems.

I'm a landscape photographer who is seriously considering switching to Fuji. There is a lot to love about the system. But I'm struggling with building a compact setup given the options for zoom lenses. The 18-55 is excellent, but lacks weather-sealing, and isn't as wide as I would like (16 vs. 18 is a big difference for me). The 18-135 has weather-sealing, but is a very mixed bag optically, and again doesn't have 16 on the wide end. The 16-55 is an amazing lens, but lacks OIS, and is heavy. For landscape, I don't often need f/2.8, and I also don't want the increased weight of the X-H1 versus the X-T3. I was hoping that the 16-80 would be MY "perfect lens" (quotes here to signify that these decisions are personal, this is the perfect lens for ME) in the Fuji system, but it clearly isn't.

I'm seriously considering switching to a M43 system because those Olympus zooms that I mentioned fit my criteria. Fuji makes incredible prime lenses, but for MY needs (again, your needs may be totally different), the zooms just aren't cutting it. A better 16-80 would have been awesome! A 16-55 with OIS (or X-T3/X-T30 with IBIS) would be helpful. An optically better 18-135 would be helpful too.

Apologies for the rambling.
My thoughts exactly. I am a landscape photographer and hike great (mainly mountainous) distances to my shooting locations. I have learned to get on with the 16-55, in spite of its heft. It's not really as bad as I once imagined it would be, but it does bother me that I'm toting around so much weight for an APS-C system.

For months, the 16-80 release was going to represent my entry into the system but I capitulated far sooner. Yesterday, I returned my second (and last) copy of the lens. I don't ever intend on re-purchasing a lens I had returned -- it's unfair to retailers. My uncharacteristic decision to do so speaks to how much I wanted this lens to work -- it has a lot going for it. I wondered if my first copy was a lemon and the second one would behave better at the wide end. Unfortunately, the performance of both copies was consistent. They both did everything right except perform at the wide end. All I was looking for was acceptable at 16mm. Like you, I was indifferent about its performance at 80mm, merely grateful it did it. Since most other mid-range zooms don't even cover this focal length.

The second copy came with the latest firmware installed on it (1.02) and here is it vs the 16-55 at 16mm. I took these handheld.

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In the mid-range, it's a lot better. These 2 sets were taken on a tripod.

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It's a shame the details are so smeary at 16mm. As much as I love taking compressed landscapes with the telephoto end, 16-20mm is my bread-and-butter focal range. I think for many other applications (beyond landscape) this would be a fine lens. To those shooters not afflicted with the pixel-peeping disease, it would work well for just about any subject matter.
Lens_Goat, thank you for sharing your thoughts and these images. Posts like this are why this forum is such as valuable resource.

Assuming that the X-T4 has IBIS, I could see myself taking the path at you do and getting the 16-55. What's tough though is that when I compare the weight of the X-T3 and the 16-55 (1,194 grams) that's actually 7 grams heavier than the Canon EOS RP and the 24-105 f/4 and only 79 grams heavier than the Sony A7III and the 24-105 f/4. And both of those lenses are excellent optically (perhaps better than the Fuji) and have a longer range. There are lots of very legitimate reasons to choose the X-T3 + 16-55 over either the Canon or Sony systems I outlined, but the fact that those other systems beat or come close to being the same weight while having a longer range makes Fuji a bit of a harder sell.

My heart is with Fuji right now. I love the cameras themselves with their controls, it's a wonderful shooting experience. But my brain is trying to pull me elsewhere. I feel torn.
 
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