Daniel Cox (Ambassador) has been fired by Panasonic

spike29 wrote:My main pain point is by not going in communication but just fire a guy who speaks the "not wanted to hear this.." will make your company less attractive for people and will mute the progressing thinking of others in your company due fear of being fired.
So Panasonic is throwing the baby with the badwater away. (hasty decision.)
I don't believe that this will make the slightest difference to Panasonic sales or their reputation. This will free the former ambassador to do new things and it will also potentially provide an extra career/income opportunity to someone new to the game.

On the other hand Panasonic might take the view that if people do not appreciate the educational service that they sponsor, they might as well save their money and potential poor reactions on social media, and cancel all such sponsorship. Who knows? If I was them and the service, which helps promote the products indirectly, wasn't being appreciated or was being unduly criticised, I would certainly pull the plug on it all and direct my budget towards something more effective such as just advertising.
 
because he criticized their focus implementation DfD (Depth from Defocus) especially the continuous focus for BIF and other fast moving subjects. He would like it to be changed to Phase Detection AF.

https://naturalexposures.com/comparing-sony-olympus-lumix-telephoto-sharpness/
As a general point, it illustrates that we should be aware of the pressures on these 'ambassadors' when we analyse their opinions. Notice that he said they cancelled his contract. Too many here seem to think that 'ambassadors' are doing it out of the goodness of their hearts. This gentleman seems to have a backbone.
Either the gentleman has a backbone or Sony made an offer he could not refuse.

On the serious side: Brand ambassadors do not make any serious money, they probably make their main income with a proper day job. Therefor the pressures on these 'ambassadors' isn't as high as you might think.
Yes, Sony had the AUDACITY to offer a camera that CAN autofocus properly.

How DARE them!
...after 3 generations of development. DFD had absolutely nailed AF-S in its first gen. Has now reportedly caught up in video AF-C in its second gen updates. Following that trajectory, it's not unreasonable to suppose that BIF and action AF-C from DFD will match X-T3, E-M1ii and A7iii in its third iteration.
Remember thjsy: DFD will NEVER catch dual pixel simply for the fact that the other tech COMBINES two implementations of AF while one works only with contrast.

You have to understand what you are talking about to give and answer.
Well as compelling and carefully presented your analysis is, I feel oddly inclined to go with the Panasonic engineers on this one.
 
because he criticized their focus implementation DfD (Depth from Defocus) especially the continuous focus for BIF and other fast moving subjects. He would like it to be changed to Phase Detection AF.

https://naturalexposures.com/comparing-sony-olympus-lumix-telephoto-sharpness/
As a general point, it illustrates that we should be aware of the pressures on these 'ambassadors' when we analyse their opinions. Notice that he said they cancelled his contract. Too many here seem to think that 'ambassadors' are doing it out of the goodness of their hearts. This gentleman seems to have a backbone.
Either the gentleman has a backbone or Sony made an offer he could not refuse.

On the serious side: Brand ambassadors do not make any serious money, they probably make their main income with a proper day job. Therefor the pressures on these 'ambassadors' isn't as high as you might think.
Yes, Sony had the AUDACITY to offer a camera that CAN autofocus properly.

How DARE them!
...after 3 generations of development. DFD had absolutely nailed AF-S in its first gen. Has now reportedly caught up in video AF-C in its second gen updates. Following that trajectory, it's not unreasonable to suppose that BIF and action AF-C from DFD will match X-T3, E-M1ii and A7iii in its third iteration.
Remember thjsy: DFD will NEVER catch dual pixel simply for the fact that the other tech COMBINES two implementations of AF while one works only with contrast.

You have to understand what you are talking about to give and answer.
Well as compelling and carefully presented your analysis is, I feel oddly inclined to go with the Panasonic engineers on this one.
What, the use of all caps didn’t convince you?
 
because he criticized their focus implementation DfD (Depth from Defocus) especially the continuous focus for BIF and other fast moving subjects. He would like it to be changed to Phase Detection AF.

https://naturalexposures.com/comparing-sony-olympus-lumix-telephoto-sharpness/
As a general point, it illustrates that we should be aware of the pressures on these 'ambassadors' when we analyse their opinions. Notice that he said they cancelled his contract. Too many here seem to think that 'ambassadors' are doing it out of the goodness of their hearts. This gentleman seems to have a backbone.
Either the gentleman has a backbone or Sony made an offer he could not refuse.

On the serious side: Brand ambassadors do not make any serious money, they probably make their main income with a proper day job. Therefor the pressures on these 'ambassadors' isn't as high as you might think.
Yes, Sony had the AUDACITY to offer a camera that CAN autofocus properly.

How DARE them!
...after 3 generations of development. DFD had absolutely nailed AF-S in its first gen. Has now reportedly caught up in video AF-C in its second gen updates. Following that trajectory, it's not unreasonable to suppose that BIF and action AF-C from DFD will match X-T3, E-M1ii and A7iii in its third iteration.
Remember thjsy: DFD will NEVER catch dual pixel simply for the fact that the other tech COMBINES two implementations of AF while one works only with contrast.

You have to understand what you are talking about to give and answer.
Well as compelling and carefully presented your analysis is, I feel oddly inclined to go with the Panasonic engineers on this one.
What, the use of all caps didn’t convince you?
Just remember, engineers wear caps. Well, they did in the old days.
 
It would be cool to see their gear workflow but other than that, it's just art and you could learn how to take a better shot just by taking a drawing class. So many art classes online these days.
 
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because he criticized their focus implementation DfD (Depth from Defocus) especially the continuous focus for BIF and other fast moving subjects. He would like it to be changed to Phase Detection AF.

https://naturalexposures.com/comparing-sony-olympus-lumix-telephoto-sharpness/
As a general point, it illustrates that we should be aware of the pressures on these 'ambassadors' when we analyse their opinions. Notice that he said they cancelled his contract. Too many here seem to think that 'ambassadors' are doing it out of the goodness of their hearts. This gentleman seems to have a backbone.
Either the gentleman has a backbone or Sony made an offer he could not refuse.

On the serious side: Brand ambassadors do not make any serious money, they probably make their main income with a proper day job. Therefor the pressures on these 'ambassadors' isn't as high as you might think.
Yes, Sony had the AUDACITY to offer a camera that CAN autofocus properly.

How DARE them!
...after 3 generations of development. DFD had absolutely nailed AF-S in its first gen. Has now reportedly caught up in video AF-C in its second gen updates.
Now reportedly on 2nd updates. Not exactly the sort of recommendation that fills one with complete confidence.
Following that trajectory, it's not unreasonable to suppose that BIF and action AF-C from DFD will match X-T3, E-M1ii and A7iii in its third iteration.
 
Robin Wong creates great pictures and communicates very well

Is that sentence incorrect?

Maybe you do not think he makes great pictures, ok that is subjective

He communicates Olympus settings etc way way way more than other supposed ‘reviewers’ or camera YouTube people

Only other guy is Rob Trek and sometimes David Thorpe

Other than those people (oh the micro four thirds nerd lady is also pretty good too. I forget her name!) everyone is either a complainer or excessively positive
Ooh - is that last one me, perchance? Only just happened to read this. Thanks (I think!). Maybe I could adopt Micro Four Thirds Nerd Lady as a pseudonym (sadly, it's pretty accurate - though I can be nerdy about other systems too!). :-D
 
Robin Wong creates great pictures and communicates very well

Is that sentence incorrect?

Maybe you do not think he makes great pictures, ok that is subjective

He communicates Olympus settings etc way way way more than other supposed ‘reviewers’ or camera YouTube people

Only other guy is Rob Trek and sometimes David Thorpe

Other than those people (oh the micro four thirds nerd lady is also pretty good too. I forget her name!) everyone is either a complainer or excessively positive
Ooh - is that last one me, perchance? Only just happened to read this. Thanks (I think!). Maybe I could adopt Micro Four Thirds Nerd Lady as a pseudonym (sadly, it's pretty accurate - though I can be nerdy about other systems too!). :-D
Helen, I suspect you were nerdy before nerdy was fashionable.... keep up the good work.

Gary
 
Robin Wong creates great pictures and communicates very well

Is that sentence incorrect?

Maybe you do not think he makes great pictures, ok that is subjective

He communicates Olympus settings etc way way way more than other supposed ‘reviewers’ or camera YouTube people

Only other guy is Rob Trek and sometimes David Thorpe

Other than those people (oh the micro four thirds nerd lady is also pretty good too. I forget her name!) everyone is either a complainer or excessively positive
Ooh - is that last one me, perchance? Only just happened to read this. Thanks (I think!). Maybe I could adopt Micro Four Thirds Nerd Lady as a pseudonym (sadly, it's pretty accurate - though I can be nerdy about other systems too!). :-D
Helen, I suspect you were nerdy before nerdy was fashionable.... keep up the good work.

Gary
Yep, I am afraid I am a lifelong nerd! Can't help it, but at least it has its uses for helping other folks out from time to time these days. :-D
 
Robin Wong creates great pictures and communicates very well

Is that sentence incorrect?

Maybe you do not think he makes great pictures, ok that is subjective

He communicates Olympus settings etc way way way more than other supposed ‘reviewers’ or camera YouTube people

Only other guy is Rob Trek and sometimes David Thorpe

Other than those people (oh the micro four thirds nerd lady is also pretty good too. I forget her name!) everyone is either a complainer or excessively positive
Ooh - is that last one me, perchance? Only just happened to read this. Thanks (I think!). Maybe I could adopt Micro Four Thirds Nerd Lady as a pseudonym (sadly, it's pretty accurate - though I can be nerdy about other systems too!). :-D
Hi , you are the Micro Four Nerds Lady?

Yes I think your YouTube channel is fabulous.



you have useful videos and your presentation is relaxed and I never get the impression you are hiding truths people don’t want to hear

you caught someone giving you a compliment!

i would put you on the m4/3 YouTube Mount Rushmore along with Robin Wong, and David Thorpe

Actually I remember! You were posting some funny local price updates on a macro lens!

that was funny and charming
 
because he criticized their focus implementation DfD (Depth from Defocus) especially the continuous focus for BIF and other fast moving subjects. He would like it to be changed to Phase Detection AF.

https://naturalexposures.com/comparing-sony-olympus-lumix-telephoto-sharpness/
As a general point, it illustrates that we should be aware of the pressures on these 'ambassadors' when we analyse their opinions. Notice that he said they cancelled his contract. Too many here seem to think that 'ambassadors' are doing it out of the goodness of their hearts. This gentleman seems to have a backbone.
We all know that Panasonic's DfD is not the best system for action tracking and while it is no secret, even to Panasonic, they do require 'ambassadors' and their dealers to show some respect and diplomacy in terms of constructive criticism. He may well have crossed the line. As he says, it is not a big deal to himself or ultimately Panasonic except that it does gain himself a good deal of respect from ordinary photographers and his followers.
Why do they 'require' ambassadors to do that? How was his criticism not constructive?
So good on him, but no blame on Panasonic either, who have a responsibility to manage their own business for their own benefit. Hopefully Panasonic will ultimately produce a focus system that matches or betters Sony.
Sure, companies do what they do. The real point demonstrated here is that there is no reason to consider 'ambassadors' (for any company) to be anything other than shills, albeit competent often talented ones. As soon as they stop being shills, they are likely to lose that ambassadorship.
Having said all that, the DFD focus system is pretty good for anything but for certain continuous focus situations. I have no complaints within its performance envelope.
He was testing it against a static target just for focus accuracy.
I would be more generous and rather than call them shills call them salespeople

But yeah come on everyone what do you think their role is?

The best one in my view is Robin Wong

That guy creates great pictures and communicates exceptionally well
Yes, they are employed to both sell the brand's cameras and to help educate customers so as to understand features and to get the best results and satisfaction from them. They are not sponsored to criticise the product but to help customers overcome any issues with the product without admitting the issue. That doesn't mean they need be dishonest but their employment, as with any employment, surely demands some diplomacy and loyalty to the brand.

Surely this is no surprise to anyone? Or did I overestimate the common-sense and wit of the average Joe? I would like to believe not.
Isn’t there some American quote that goes along the lines of “nobody was ever made poor by underestimating the stupidity of the general public”

im sure there is a quote along those lines
 
because he criticized their focus implementation DfD (Depth from Defocus) especially the continuous focus for BIF and other fast moving subjects. He would like it to be changed to Phase Detection AF.

https://naturalexposures.com/comparing-sony-olympus-lumix-telephoto-sharpness/
As a general point, it illustrates that we should be aware of the pressures on these 'ambassadors' when we analyse their opinions. Notice that he said they cancelled his contract. Too many here seem to think that 'ambassadors' are doing it out of the goodness of their hearts. This gentleman seems to have a backbone.
Either the gentleman has a backbone or Sony made an offer he could not refuse.

On the serious side: Brand ambassadors do not make any serious money, they probably make their main income with a proper day job. Therefor the pressures on these 'ambassadors' isn't as high as you might think.
Yes, Sony had the AUDACITY to offer a camera that CAN autofocus properly.

How DARE them!
...after 3 generations of development. DFD had absolutely nailed AF-S in its first gen. Has now reportedly caught up in video AF-C in its second gen updates.
Now reportedly on 2nd updates. Not exactly the sort of recommendation that fills one with complete confidence.
Weh.

Following that trajectory, it's not unreasonable to suppose that BIF and action AF-C from DFD will match X-T3, E-M1ii and A7iii in its third iteration.
 
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Robin Wong creates great pictures and communicates very well

Is that sentence incorrect?

Maybe you do not think he makes great pictures, ok that is subjective

He communicates Olympus settings etc way way way more than other supposed ‘reviewers’ or camera YouTube people

Only other guy is Rob Trek and sometimes David Thorpe

Other than those people (oh the micro four thirds nerd lady is also pretty good too. I forget her name!) everyone is either a complainer or excessively positive
Ooh - is that last one me, perchance? Only just happened to read this. Thanks (I think!). Maybe I could adopt Micro Four Thirds Nerd Lady as a pseudonym (sadly, it's pretty accurate - though I can be nerdy about other systems too!). :-D
Hi , you are the Micro Four Nerds Lady?

Yes I think your YouTube channel is fabulous.

you have useful videos and your presentation is relaxed and I never get the impression you are hiding truths people don’t want to hear

you caught someone giving you a compliment!

i would put you on the m4/3 YouTube Mount Rushmore along with Robin Wong, and David Thorpe

Actually I remember! You were posting some funny local price updates on a macro lens!

that was funny and charming
Ah, no - mistaken identity on my part! I am "a" Nerdy Micro Four Thirds Lady, but not that one - of whom I was unaware. Believe me, you don't ever want to see videos of me!! :-D I must go and see who that is, having never heard of her (but I'm not very YouTube-centric, so that's my fault). I shall relax back into my relative obscurity now! ;-)
 
Ah, no - mistaken identity on my part! I am "a" Nerdy Micro Four Thirds Lady, but not that one - of whom I was unaware. Believe me, you don't ever want to see videos of me!! :-D I must go and see who that is, having never heard of her (but I'm not very YouTube-centric, so that's my fault). I shall relax back into my relative obscurity now! ;-)
Here's her channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAu6iO8En48gGBcEzoUl-sA
 
Ah, no - mistaken identity on my part! I am "a" Nerdy Micro Four Thirds Lady, but not that one - of whom I was unaware. Believe me, you don't ever want to see videos of me!! :-D I must go and see who that is, having never heard of her (but I'm not very YouTube-centric, so that's my fault). I shall relax back into my relative obscurity now! ;-)
Here's her channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAu6iO8En48gGBcEzoUl-sA
Thanks - I actually popped back to check for replies in the middle of watching one of her videos! I learn something every day. Well, I am in the same country as her, so I will use that as my excuse for thinking it was me being referred to - I think of myself as nerdy, you see! :-D
 
Robin Wong creates great pictures and communicates very well

Is that sentence incorrect?

Maybe you do not think he makes great pictures, ok that is subjective

He communicates Olympus settings etc way way way more than other supposed ‘reviewers’ or camera YouTube people

Only other guy is Rob Trek and sometimes David Thorpe

Other than those people (oh the micro four thirds nerd lady is also pretty good too. I forget her name!) everyone is either a complainer or excessively positive
Ooh - is that last one me, perchance? Only just happened to read this. Thanks (I think!). Maybe I could adopt Micro Four Thirds Nerd Lady as a pseudonym (sadly, it's pretty accurate - though I can be nerdy about other systems too!). :-D
Hi , you are the Micro Four Nerds Lady?

Yes I think your YouTube channel is fabulous.

you have useful videos and your presentation is relaxed and I never get the impression you are hiding truths people don’t want to hear

you caught someone giving you a compliment!

i would put you on the m4/3 YouTube Mount Rushmore along with Robin Wong, and David Thorpe

Actually I remember! You were posting some funny local price updates on a macro lens!

that was funny and charming
Ah, no - mistaken identity on my part! I am "a" Nerdy Micro Four Thirds Lady, but not that one - of whom I was unaware. Believe me, you don't ever want to see videos of me!! :-D I must go and see who that is, having never heard of her (but I'm not very YouTube-centric, so that's my fault). I shall relax back into my relative obscurity now! ;-)
Ahh that’s funny! I would never refer to someone as nerdy if they didn’t also call themselves that

it yes her channel is excellent

but I still remember you from the ‘great 30mm macro price panic” of last month

very funny stuff
 
Robin Wong creates great pictures and communicates very well

Is that sentence incorrect?

Maybe you do not think he makes great pictures, ok that is subjective

He communicates Olympus settings etc way way way more than other supposed ‘reviewers’ or camera YouTube people

Only other guy is Rob Trek and sometimes David Thorpe

Other than those people (oh the micro four thirds nerd lady is also pretty good too. I forget her name!) everyone is either a complainer or excessively positive
Ooh - is that last one me, perchance? Only just happened to read this. Thanks (I think!). Maybe I could adopt Micro Four Thirds Nerd Lady as a pseudonym (sadly, it's pretty accurate - though I can be nerdy about other systems too!). :-D
Hi , you are the Micro Four Nerds Lady?

Yes I think your YouTube channel is fabulous.

you have useful videos and your presentation is relaxed and I never get the impression you are hiding truths people don’t want to hear

you caught someone giving you a compliment!

i would put you on the m4/3 YouTube Mount Rushmore along with Robin Wong, and David Thorpe

Actually I remember! You were posting some funny local price updates on a macro lens!

that was funny and charming
Ah, no - mistaken identity on my part! I am "a" Nerdy Micro Four Thirds Lady, but not that one - of whom I was unaware. Believe me, you don't ever want to see videos of me!! :-D I must go and see who that is, having never heard of her (but I'm not very YouTube-centric, so that's my fault). I shall relax back into my relative obscurity now! ;-)
Ahh that’s funny! I would never refer to someone as nerdy if they didn’t also call themselves that

it yes her channel is excellent

but I still remember you from the ‘great 30mm macro price panic” of last month

very funny stuff
Ah yes - believe it or not, the lowest price on the Oly 30mm Macro lens in the UK today is precisely 100 GBP more than the price it fell to then (which was 93 GBP in the end) - so I am glad I brought that incredibly low (and temporary!) price to the attention of anybody who wanted to go for it - they certainly got a bargain! Mind you, I've been here for years... :-D
 
Why is there so much interest in these brand prostitutes who sell their endorsements of this or that brand to the highest bidder?

The brand whore must say only good things about the brands gear. That is his assignment. He was just a tool in the hands of a pimp, to sell in this case Panasonic camera gear to unsuspecting camera buyers.

Not surprising he got the push when he stepped out of line.

It will be fun when we see him in bed with his latest punter, bad mouthing his old Panasonic gear.

I guess he is dashing off Emails to all and sundry asking if "they are looking for company"
I'm too busy taking pics to look at brand ambassador videos. The AF on my G9 works fine btw.
Me too.

I try to find some impartial opinions of gear I want to buy.
I think cameras and lenses are very similar to motorcycles. You can read as many reviews as you like, watch as many videos as possible, take them for short test rides, but NOTHING compares to actually owning and living with them for a year or so. You could probably add girlfriends in there as well. Internet reviews etc are really only useful for winning e-peen measuring contests.
And there are so many great motorcycles out there you have to own more than just one!

Anyway, I really like reading David's writings. I've learned a fair bit from him.
 
Hmm? Daniel found the Olympus prime is sharper than either, which makes sense. It'd be surprising if that weren't the case.

'without a doubt, the sharpest lens of the bunch was the Olympus 300mm F/4. Shooting it with the 1.4X teleconverter showed almost no degradation in image quality and was still very, very sharp edge to edge.'
He's comparing them by pixel peeping both at 1:1 magnification, where the higher megapixel A7R4 Sony file is effectively more highly enlarged. I'm comparing them at the same viewing size, i.e. upscaling the Olympus file to match the Sony image.

Do that and there's clearly more detail in the centre of the image from the A7R4 + 200-600mm than there is from 20mp m4/3 + Olympus 300mm f/4.
Predictably you are seeing more detail from the 60mp sensor. If you were to compare a correctly shot 80mp hires image with the 300mm f4, you'd see order restored to the universe, and the prime lens showing more detail than the zoom.



It is pretty neat that with the Sony setup, you can get a larger, more detailed image with regular shooting than the Oly + 300mm f4, for a similar price. Hope to see these appearing out in the wild. Yet another valid option for the birders.
 
All these so called ambassadors or what ever you want to call them that represent a camera company, where are they when we have problems with the gear these promoters of a company try and sell in here.
They come in to promote the gear with gorgeous photos (because they are good for sure, all of them) but it seems to be left to the members in here to try and help along with cure user problems with that companies gear, whether it's Oly or Pannie.

Post up stunning shots from the latest gear and then they are off. The members can help fix other members issues, until the next time new gear comes out to promote.
I think they are on short leashes Danny. Any involvement in technical discussions here might have them acknowledging that a certain camera has a problem, limitation or design issue. We cannot have that now can we ;-)
Just a personal thing that gets to me and probably only me.
You are not alone here
Kudos to the members that do help fix others issues and people like Guy Parsons who have sites dedicated to help. They are the champions.
As are the ones who undertake extensive tests and post their results here for open discussion
All the best and just a me thing with these people.

Danny.
Merry Christmas to you and your family

Peter
 

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