chambeshi
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Is any camera company using 64 bit architecture yet? The Canon and Nikon CPUs in pro cameras have 32 bit. EXPEED has multi-core architecture but parts of it still deals in 16 bit.
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Nikon is dying
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It's the hyperbole that is the issue.Starting at around the ten minute point in the video the Northrup's shift into making suggestions and overall optimism about Nikon. More generally, I find the Northrup's equipment reviews extremely useful - concise and perceptive with most or all of the relevant points addressed. I see people bad mouth them ("rubbish"?) but rarely see details on mistakes or omissions that the Northrup's actually make.Good grief. Why do people continue to read stuff by the Ken and Barbie of photo blogging. Cheap plastic rubbish, and their blog isn’t any better.Tony and Chelsea Northrup strike again. According to them Nikon is in deep trouble unless they listen to them and put their efforts back into DSLRs and not mirrorless because the company is hopeless at writing good software. These two get better and better with time, their videos are priceless. I also loved how they were almost ashamed at admitting being in Costco (this is for the American readers). So guys start selling tour gear before the company goes under)
If you are going to complain about them, please be specific. I, for one, would definitely like to know if they are less reliable than I perceive them to be. Vague smears don't help.
StanyBuyle
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Starting pure clickbait YT presentations based on lies and false assumptions (Nikon does very well in an overall strongly shrinking camera market and started to re-organise their company already long time on behalf of that) , with tentacles through intermediaries and fake profiles in all kinds of forums testifies of total lack of ethics, whatever the content of their articles might be.Starting at around the ten minute point in the video the Northrup's shift into making suggestions and overall optimism about Nikon. More generally, I find the Northrup's equipment reviewsGood grief. Why do people continue to read stuff by the Ken and Barbie of photo blogging. Cheap plastic rubbish, and their blog isn’t any better.Tony and Chelsea Northrup strike again. According to them Nikon is in deep trouble unless they listen to them and put their efforts back into DSLRs and not mirrorless because the company is hopeless at writing good software. These two get better and better with time, their videos are priceless. I also loved how they were almost ashamed at admitting being in Costco (this is for the American readers). So guys start selling tour gear before the company goes underextremely useful-concise and perceptive with most or all of the relevant points addressed. I see people bad mouth them ("rubbish"?) but rarely see details on mistakes or omissions that the Northrup's actually make.
If you are going to complain about them, please be specific. I, for one, would definitely like to know if they are less reliable than I perceive them to be. Vague smears don't help.
Nikon really doesn't need all those utterly opportunistic youtubers to choose the right way and make the right decisions, they have much more intelligent people for that in their company.
With the best dslr's, an incredible broad F lens line working perfectly on both F as Z mount, the two first fabulous FF MLs which are soo much better than trolls who never handled one next to competitors' PR people under the cover of -again- anonymous fake profiles want to make you believe, and a growing Z lens line that beats quality wise everything that has been made before, Nikon will go on.
Nikon is alive and well.
Kindest regards,
Stany
DAVID MANZE
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I agree with you ArtAlt!!
If you watch any brand related "bad news video" and then look at the appropriate forum afterwards you will always see the same scenario .......
......... you will see the authors getting trashed .... as is the case here !!
Nikon is about to enter a non profitable phase for the first time "in forever" as are many in the camera industry ...........
....... but to read this thread, you would think that the "only issue" is ..........
....... having mentioned it !!
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Leica's "laser" focus includes supporting more mounts/formats than Nikon
- MF S mount
- FF SL mount
- FF M mount
- APSC TL mount
Their laser focus includes DSLRs, MILCs and Rangefinder bodies. Their "focus" includes rebadged compacts from Panasonic and low volume $20k bodies.
Fair enough, you are right. Nikon did come out with some marketing blurb about vloggers and smartphone whatnot. I took that as marketing blurb. They always come out with stuff that reads as if the camera went through a multi-year product strategy, design and engineering process and then got thrown at the marketing people before launch for some blurb.
Ultimately, I believe the camera was designed for two main purposes
- to avoid leakage from Nikon APSC customers who want a MILC
- to contest the APSC MILC segment represented by the Canon M6.ii and Sony A6100
What does a smartphone photographer do when they need the reach of the tele zoom in a 2 lens kit?
MedicineMan999
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Don't ya know Professor Northrowup knows everything! If he doesn't his sidekick Peg Bundy does.
If Nikon is dying why did I buy a 300 PF and 500PF this year and await my Z50? Well I guess everyone and everything is dying in the big picture and Professor Tony sees all!
If Nikon is dying why did I buy a 300 PF and 500PF this year and await my Z50? Well I guess everyone and everything is dying in the big picture and Professor Tony sees all!
Unlike Nikon, Sony has many other profitable businesses. Even if we look at camera business, most sensors are manufactured by Sony.
Popular belief is that mobile phones have taken away businesses of Cameras, but even in mobiles cameras, most of the sensors are from Sony. And mobile business is much much bigger than DSLRs.
So Sony is earning anyways, thus they can spend much more on R&D. They are in Hardware as well as Software business, which is much better suited to ML technology. At the same time, Canon and Nikon have much better understanding of Camera business and requirements of Photographers. Sony has tried to bridge that gap by buying Minolta and then building over it, so they did not have to start from scratch.
So Canon and Nikon are not in an easy situation. However, they can fight back, as they still have better domain knowledge, and need to invest more in getting better hardware and software. If they are focused and catch up with Sony, they have sufficient loyal users, to help them continue profitable Camera business. I only hope they do catch up by next camera iteration, else many users will be disillusioned, and then getting users back is always a huge task.
chambeshi
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These threads are been recurring... any excuse for a Utuber to Nikon bash. Either the Southrups or this entity
It was all said before - eg these threads:
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/62549150
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/63191073
What is bizarre that they have such a following (apparently). The falsities and nonsense throws a far worse light on the acolytes who rate offending utubers as useful "Reviewers"
These are some of the prominent reviewers that have a deserved audience of real Photographers
I agree. I'm an admitted Nikon fan boy. I do wan't Canon and Sony to be in the market and compete with Nikon. If Sony didn't take the leap to ML I doubt Nikon would have done what they did with the Z line. That said, it's a little scary when a much bigger corporation absolutely inundates a market like Sony has done.
Sony deserves a hat tip for their success but ultimate domination in the long run will NOT be a good thing for us, the consumer. That is what I fear.
I'm not counting the stuff that's made by Panasonic, Sigma, Huawei, and Minolta, etc, with a Leica marque on it. Leica is famous for partnering with outside companies if it allows them to cash-in on their name-recognition but outsource the development risks and costs. Nikon has good name recognition and could outsource their consumer line to someone else if it made business sense, but I don't care if they do that or just exit the consumer market altogether.
But the focus, so to speak, of the Leica's serious gear is at their Wetzlar HQ with an 1800-person workforce and just 6 assembly lines. Leica is profitable because the high-end of their product line is expensive (read: fat margins) and they don't care about market-share. Nikon could take the same approach - take in-house responsibility for a limited range of products and make sure they're the best in their category so they can command premium prices and don't worry about market share.
But the focus, so to speak, of the Leica's serious gear is at their Wetzlar HQ with an 1800-person workforce and just 6 assembly lines. Leica is profitable because the high-end of their product line is expensive (read: fat margins) and they don't care about market-share. Nikon could take the same approach - take in-house responsibility for a limited range of products and make sure they're the best in their category so they can command premium prices and don't worry about market share.
Your whole post is hyperbolic...
"With the best dslr's, an incredible broad F lens line working perfectly on both F as Z mount,"
I have the Z7 and 14 F-mount lenses. My F-mount lenses don't work "perfectly" - depending on their age and vintage they retain varying amounts of functionality. Not to mention the extra size and bulk of the FTZ. I understand why these compromises are necessary and there's no avoiding some of them, but that's not the same thing as "perfectly".
"the two first fabulous FF MLs"
They're not "fabulous"; they're good. But considering that Nikon was late to the ML party they should have been "fabulous". It was a huge mistake by Nikon to not make them "fabulous" Two examples - AF is still better in the Sony's, and several competitors can do in-camera 10 bit. (I have to use my Ninja V to extract 10 bit from the Nikon). If you're going to arrive late you have to be better, not just "good".
Nikon is alive and well.
Have you seen the amount of money they're losing?
"With the best dslr's, an incredible broad F lens line working perfectly on both F as Z mount,"
I have the Z7 and 14 F-mount lenses. My F-mount lenses don't work "perfectly" - depending on their age and vintage they retain varying amounts of functionality. Not to mention the extra size and bulk of the FTZ. I understand why these compromises are necessary and there's no avoiding some of them, but that's not the same thing as "perfectly".
"the two first fabulous FF MLs"
They're not "fabulous"; they're good. But considering that Nikon was late to the ML party they should have been "fabulous". It was a huge mistake by Nikon to not make them "fabulous" Two examples - AF is still better in the Sony's, and several competitors can do in-camera 10 bit. (I have to use my Ninja V to extract 10 bit from the Nikon). If you're going to arrive late you have to be better, not just "good".
Nikon is alive and well.
Have you seen the amount of money they're losing?
StanyBuyle
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OK, Mr. "p" or Mr. "nart"? Normally I don't reply to anonymous...
Extra size and bulk? :-D I was carrying around a D850 + D4, now Z6 & Z7, I can feel the difference very well.
That's your opinion, I disagree. To me they are fabulous.
Probably, but all the rest is worse in the sony's...
Restructuring costs money on short term, it brings money on long term.
Leonard Shepherd
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Some take the view Nikon launched Z "when they had to" (as did Canon with R) to slow down Sony's increasing market share on the widespread belief ML is best for everything (even though it is not).
Nikon (and Canon's) next generation of ML - and the due soon D6 and Canon equivalent - will reshape the market next year.
Yes. Toward the end of Nikon restructuring plus widespread cutting back of forecasts from other camera makers - the projected loss is not significant.
In 2-3 years time Sony is likely to have the disadvantage of a narrow diameter lens mount as many more than now optically better wide mount lenses from Nikon, Canon and Panasonic will be on sale.
According to Tony Northrup, Canon M died in 2016. Since his death declaration, Canon released the M5, M100, M50, M6 Mark II, and M200. The Canon M50 (Kiss M) has been the best selling mirrorless camera in Japan (BCN) for a really long time, and apparently has decent sales elsewhere.
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