Is this the banding everyone was talking about?

j_photo said:

There are two types of banding that have been discussed, one that occurs with the electronic shutter and certain light sources that cycle

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j_photo said:

the other related to the PDAF sites on the sensor.

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j_photo said:

Both result in horizontal bands. Since you are seeing vertical bands in some of your examples, the answer is no, this is not the banding that everyone was talking about.

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j_photo said:

I would say stick with a reliable raw processor rather than your computer's native image preview software. If you don't like LR, you might try Nikon's free offerings.

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Jack Hogan said:

j_photo said:

There are two types of banding that have been discussed, one that occurs with the electronic shutter and certain light sources that cycle

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This is an issue generic to all mainstream digital cameras due to the lighting.

Jack Hogan said:

the other related to the PDAF sites on the sensor.

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This is an issue generic to MILCs:

https://photographylife.com/the-reality-behind-nikon-z-banding-issues

Jack Hogan said:

Both result in horizontal bands. Since you are seeing vertical bands in some of your examples, the answer is no, this is not the banding that everyone was talking about.

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Were some of the captures taken in portrait orientation?

Jack Hogan said:

I would say stick with a reliable raw processor rather than your computer's native image preview software. If you don't like LR, you might try Nikon's free offerings.

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Good suggestion.

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DapperedGator said:

How did you get your shutter speed to 1/10000?

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orbitalpunk said:

So I'm currently deciding between the Nikon Z7 and the Sony A7RV1. I love how the Nikon feels and operates, but the image quality from the A7RVI is make the choice difficult. I ordered some other lenses for the Nikon to even the playing field.

But today I discovered banding in the Z7 images and I am wondering if this is the banding people were talking about or is my camera defective. I see banding in 200iso images so its not just high iso. The other thing is I didn't see or discover it in Lightroom, but I discovered it only after opening a RAW image in macOS Preview because I felt Lightroom was making these strange auto adjustments to every image and wanted to see what Preview would do. It's as if Lightroom processes the banding out up to a certain point. The A7RVI didn't show banding in the side by side shot in Preview.


horizontal banding in the grass


verticle banding


vertical banding

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DapperedGator said:

How did you get your shutter speed to 1/10000?

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RaLuC said:

orbitalpunk said:

So I'm currently deciding between the Nikon Z7 and the Sony A7RV1. I love how the Nikon feels and operates, but the image quality from the A7RVI is make the choice difficult. I ordered some other lenses for the Nikon to even the playing field.

But today I discovered banding in the Z7 images and I am wondering if this is the banding people were talking about or is my camera defective. I see banding in 200iso images so its not just high iso. The other thing is I didn't see or discover it in Lightroom, but I discovered it only after opening a RAW image in macOS Preview because I felt Lightroom was making these strange auto adjustments to every image and wanted to see what Preview would do. It's as if Lightroom processes the banding out up to a certain point. The A7RVI didn't show banding in the side by side shot in Preview.


horizontal banding in the grass


verticle banding


vertical banding

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Assuming that some of these shots were taken in portrait orientation, yes, this is the kind of banding it was talked about. However, first all MILC suffer from these effects, some more some less (Nikon being amongst the less afaik), but in reality, you wont see it at all. I am shooting the Z7 since over a year now and I never ever came across banding in a realistic case. Yes you can provoke it, but that is not reality.

Finally, even if you would find it, programs like RawTherapee offer simple ways to completely remove it without any visible image quality impact.

So bottom line an absolute no brainer.

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orbitalpunk said:

RaLuC said:

orbitalpunk said:

So I'm currently deciding between the Nikon Z7 and the Sony A7RV1. I love how the Nikon feels and operates, but the image quality from the A7RVI is make the choice difficult. I ordered some other lenses for the Nikon to even the playing field.

But today I discovered banding in the Z7 images and I am wondering if this is the banding people were talking about or is my camera defective. I see banding in 200iso images so its not just high iso. The other thing is I didn't see or discover it in Lightroom, but I discovered it only after opening a RAW image in macOS Preview because I felt Lightroom was making these strange auto adjustments to every image and wanted to see what Preview would do. It's as if Lightroom processes the banding out up to a certain point. The A7RVI didn't show banding in the side by side shot in Preview.


horizontal banding in the grass


verticle banding


vertical banding

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Assuming that some of these shots were taken in portrait orientation, yes, this is the kind of banding it was talked about. However, first all MILC suffer from these effects, some more some less (Nikon being amongst the less afaik), but in reality, you wont see it at all. I am shooting the Z7 since over a year now and I never ever came across banding in a realistic case. Yes you can provoke it, but that is not reality.

Finally, even if you would find it, programs like RawTherapee offer simple ways to completely remove it without any visible image quality impact.

So bottom line an absolute no brainer.

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these shots are not "provoked" the last two are studio shots at iso 200. the first one was daylight outside. anyways, ive decided to go with the A7RIV. this banding was just the tipping point for me. There were other things i was trying to accept so this wasn't the one issue the changed my mind. The z7 could not recover highlights as well. reviwes said it, ignored it until i saw it for myself, could not pick up textures as well, adapted nikkor 105 macro lens was awful on it so no macro lens right now, and its produced a lot more color noise. the a7riv had more grain, but the color noise i couldn't live with. the IOS and iPad remote app had the features i needed for the a7RIV, the snap bridge app didn't. it was a hard and laborious decision. I will wait till nikon can resolve some of these issues in their next camera. their design and build is superior to Sony and I hope to give Nikon another try in the future.

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Jack Hogan said:

j_photo said:

There are two types of banding that have been discussed, one that occurs with the electronic shutter and certain light sources that cycle

Click to expand...

This is an issue generic to all mainstream digital cameras due to the lighting

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orbitalpunk said:

RaLuC said:

orbitalpunk said:

So I'm currently deciding between the Nikon Z7 and the Sony A7RV1. I love how the Nikon feels and operates, but the image quality from the A7RVI is make the choice difficult. I ordered some other lenses for the Nikon to even the playing field.

But today I discovered banding in the Z7 images and I am wondering if this is the banding people were talking about or is my camera defective. I see banding in 200iso images so its not just high iso. The other thing is I didn't see or discover it in Lightroom, but I discovered it only after opening a RAW image in macOS Preview because I felt Lightroom was making these strange auto adjustments to every image and wanted to see what Preview would do. It's as if Lightroom processes the banding out up to a certain point. The A7RVI didn't show banding in the side by side shot in Preview.


horizontal banding in the grass


verticle banding


vertical banding

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Assuming that some of these shots were taken in portrait orientation, yes, this is the kind of banding it was talked about. However, first all MILC suffer from these effects, some more some less (Nikon being amongst the less afaik), but in reality, you wont see it at all. I am shooting the Z7 since over a year now and I never ever came across banding in a realistic case. Yes you can provoke it, but that is not reality.

Finally, even if you would find it, programs like RawTherapee offer simple ways to completely remove it without any visible image quality impact.

So bottom line an absolute no brainer.

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these shots are not "provoked" the last two are studio shots at iso 200. the first one was daylight outside. anyways, ive decided to go with the A7RIV. this banding was just the tipping point for me. There were other things i was trying to accept so this wasn't the one issue the changed my mind. The z7 could not recover highlights as well. reviwes said it, ignored it until i saw it for myself, could not pick up textures as well, adapted nikkor 105 macro lens was awful on it so no macro lens right now, and its produced a lot more color noise. the a7riv had more grain, but the color noise i couldn't live with. the IOS and iPad remote app had the features i needed for the a7RIV, the snap bridge app didn't. it was a hard and laborious decision. I will wait till nikon can resolve some of these issues in their next camera. their design and build is superior to Sony and I hope to give Nikon another try in the future.

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orbitalpunk said:

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But today I discovered banding in the Z7 images and I am wondering if this is the banding people were talking about or is my camera defective. I see banding in 200iso images so its not just high iso.

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RaLuC said:

orbitalpunk said:

RaLuC said:

orbitalpunk said:

So I'm currently deciding between the Nikon Z7 and the Sony A7RV1. I love how the Nikon feels and operates, but the image quality from the A7RVI is make the choice difficult. I ordered some other lenses for the Nikon to even the playing field.

But today I discovered banding in the Z7 images and I am wondering if this is the banding people were talking about or is my camera defective. I see banding in 200iso images so its not just high iso. The other thing is I didn't see or discover it in Lightroom, but I discovered it only after opening a RAW image in macOS Preview because I felt Lightroom was making these strange auto adjustments to every image and wanted to see what Preview would do. It's as if Lightroom processes the banding out up to a certain point. The A7RVI didn't show banding in the side by side shot in Preview.


horizontal banding in the grass


verticle banding


vertical banding

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Assuming that some of these shots were taken in portrait orientation, yes, this is the kind of banding it was talked about. However, first all MILC suffer from these effects, some more some less (Nikon being amongst the less afaik), but in reality, you wont see it at all. I am shooting the Z7 since over a year now and I never ever came across banding in a realistic case. Yes you can provoke it, but that is not reality.

Finally, even if you would find it, programs like RawTherapee offer simple ways to completely remove it without any visible image quality impact.

So bottom line an absolute no brainer.

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these shots are not "provoked" the last two are studio shots at iso 200. the first one was daylight outside. anyways, ive decided to go with the A7RIV. this banding was just the tipping point for me. There were other things i was trying to accept so this wasn't the one issue the changed my mind. The z7 could not recover highlights as well. reviwes said it, ignored it until i saw it for myself, could not pick up textures as well, adapted nikkor 105 macro lens was awful on it so no macro lens right now, and its produced a lot more color noise. the a7riv had more grain, but the color noise i couldn't live with. the IOS and iPad remote app had the features i needed for the a7RIV, the snap bridge app didn't. it was a hard and laborious decision. I will wait till nikon can resolve some of these issues in their next camera. their design and build is superior to Sony and I hope to give Nikon another try in the future.

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If you get this in normal conditions... well... I am out...

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olyflyer said:

Jack Hogan said:

j_photo said:

There are two types of banding that have been discussed, one that occurs with the electronic shutter and certain light sources that cycle

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This is an issue generic to all mainstream digital cameras due to the lighting

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In fact, it is not not even connected to digital cameras but to horizontal shutters moving at the wrong shutter speed, regardless if the camera uses electronic or mechanical shutter. Just that the banding may look more obvious with the electronic than the mechanical shutter due to the distance between the shutter blades and the image sensor when the mechanical shutter is used.

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Jay A said:

olyflyer said:

Jack Hogan said:

j_photo said:

There are two types of banding that have been discussed, one that occurs with the electronic shutter and certain light sources that cycle

Click to expand...

This is an issue generic to all mainstream digital cameras due to the lighting

Click to expand...

In fact, it is not not even connected to digital cameras but to horizontal shutters moving at the wrong shutter speed, regardless if the camera uses electronic or mechanical shutter. Just that the banding may look more obvious with the electronic than the mechanical shutter due to the distance between the shutter blades and the image sensor when the mechanical shutter is used.

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The Nikon Z7 uses a vertical shutter. Or are you saying that this is only relevant to cameras that DO use horizontal shutters?

https://imaging.nikon.com/lineup/mirrorless/z_7/spec.htm

Actually has there been a camera made in the past 35 years or so that had a horizontal shutter? I believe the last Nikon to have one was the F3.

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olyflyer said:

Jay A said:

olyflyer said:

Jack Hogan said:

j_photo said:

There are two types of banding that have been discussed, one that occurs with the electronic shutter and certain light sources that cycle

Click to expand...

This is an issue generic to all mainstream digital cameras due to the lighting

Click to expand...

In fact, it is not not even connected to digital cameras but to horizontal shutters moving at the wrong shutter speed, regardless if the camera uses electronic or mechanical shutter. Just that the banding may look more obvious with the electronic than the mechanical shutter due to the distance between the shutter blades and the image sensor when the mechanical shutter is used.

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The Nikon Z7 uses a vertical shutter. Or are you saying that this is only relevant to cameras that DO use horizontal shutters?

https://imaging.nikon.com/lineup/mirrorless/z_7/spec.htm

Actually has there been a camera made in the past 35 years or so that had a horizontal shutter? I believe the last Nikon to have one was the F3.

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Of course I meant vertical shutter, not horizontal. The blades are horizontal but the movement is vertical.

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