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It’s been a long time since I saw Canon get gold award at dpreview. Was 5div the last one? That’s 3 +years ago. Good to know I shoot with gold as I have both 5div and m6ii and enjoy both immensely.
 
It’s been a long time since I saw Canon get gold award at dpreview. Was 5div the last one? That’s 3 +years ago. Good to know I shoot with gold as I have both 5div and m6ii and enjoy both immensely.
Since you like gold, you should buy yourself an M100 too. :-)
 
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Nice going Canon! Now get to work on improving this gem!
 
It’s been a long time since I saw Canon get gold award at dpreview. Was 5div the last one? That’s 3 +years ago. Good to know I shoot with gold as I have both 5div and m6ii and enjoy both immensely.
Since you like gold, you should buy yourself an M100 too. :-)
I really enjoy using the M100, too. I find I use it in a totally different way to the 5D IV or M6 II, and it's liberating. Not how I want to shoot all the time, but huge fun when I do.
 
I read the updates to the review. I don't think they're unfair on the nitpicks on the AF not being sticky at times, the video crop washing away 4K detail or JPEG defaults washing away detail in the RAWs. Had a shot completely blown out shot from my recent fun with the Rokinon 50mm, which, Adobe LR (with the M50 profile) saved. Operator error on my behalf, but you'd be hard pressed to know it was a highlight save. Likewise, there's a bunch of detail in those RAWs otherwise that do not make it to the JPEGs in terms of Dynamic range which I also had some fun with in LR.

The only point I might disagree with is it not being for sports shooters due to AF. I think DPR didn't spend a lot of time with adapted lenses on this camera that sport either the fabulous nano-USM of the 70-300 IS II USM that Canon covertly recommends for this camera, or any of the great whites with standard USM motors just based off the samples gallery. The AF is killer with a USM motor mounted. But, where I'll agree with the general point about sports being less than ideal is even with fast UHS-II, in 7FPS tracking priority mode, and C-RAW, the buffer still fills pretty quick making it less suitable than say the A6400-A6600 which they're comparing for AF use alone. I'll say based off buffer, they're right.

However some context is necessary as the M6 Mark II is leaps and bounds superior in the Canon realm here though... If you're say comparing it against say a 7D or XXD series like the 80D where the RAW buffer tops out at 24-26 frames, the 42 frames of CRAW of the M6 Mark II is huge. As is the Fuji X-T3 which tops out at 36 frames of RAW. The 1DX Mark II tops it at unlimited RAW (till card fill) and A6500 tops out at 110 frames or RAW buffer. Now, one could counterargue that CRAW is cheating (it's 26 frames of standard RAW otherwise), but, then again the X-T3 doesn't offer CRAW, only full RAW or less resolution RAW so that point is debatable which I'll say the M6 Mark II "wins" because CRAW is a better option as you loose a not measurable amount of post processing ability vs loosing any resolution of the Fuji for example.

Overall I have to agree with their review, not because it's positive, but because it's not misrepresenting the product.

Canon needs more glass though, which is something I suspect Sigma will have to do for us as Canon doesn't want the EF-M eating the RF mounts lunch. Sigma on the other hand will though :)
 
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It’s been a long time since I saw Canon get gold award at dpreview. Was 5div the last one? That’s 3 +years ago. Good to know I shoot with gold as I have both 5div and m6ii and enjoy both immensely.
Since you like gold, you should buy yourself an M100 too. :-)
I really enjoy using the M100, too. I find I use it in a totally different way to the 5D IV or M6 II, and it's liberating. Not how I want to shoot all the time, but huge fun when I do.
How so? You've peaked my curiosity. What lenses do you shoot on the M100 vs the M6 Mark II?
 
Curiously cursory treatment of the 30fps mode, which is one of the more distinctive features of the camera. Their conclusion that the camera isn't suited to sports and wildlife shooting seems misleading. It can do well for conventional shooting for those, judging from results I've seen, and the 30fps mode with prebuffering can do things for action no similar camera can. Even 14fps is faster than the most direct alternatives.

The main drawback is that the AF isn't quite as fast in such settings. That's a crucial limitation in some circumstances but not others. If you have a bit of DOF or know where the action is going to be, as with birds taking flight, a dunk at the basket, or a puck at the net, you should be able to get results unlikely with competitors.

I say should because I haven't been in a position to try these things yet, but I thought DPR might try them.
 
It’s been a long time since I saw Canon get gold award at dpreview. Was 5div the last one? That’s 3 +years ago. Good to know I shoot with gold as I have both 5div and m6ii and enjoy both immensely.
Since you like gold, you should buy yourself an M100 too. :-)
I really enjoy using the M100, too. I find I use it in a totally different way to the 5D IV or M6 II, and it's liberating. Not how I want to shoot all the time, but huge fun when I do.
How so? You've peaked my curiosity. What lenses do you shoot on the M100 vs the M6 Mark II?
My favourite on the M100 is the 28mm macro; otherwise, the 22. I have the camera on a wrist strap and just get up close and personal with, well, all sorts of things. The M6 II I generally use with the finder, as I have done with the M6 and M3 before it; it tends to lead to more formal shooting, more the way I've always worked. And yes, I could use the M6 II the same way, but the controls somehow make me work differently across the two cameras.
 
I read the updates to the review. I don't think they're unfair on the nitpicks on the AF not being sticky at times, the video crop washing away 4K detail or JPEG defaults washing away detail in the RAWs. Had a shot completely blown out shot from my recent fun with the Rokinon 50mm, which, Adobe LR (with the M50 profile) saved. Operator error on my behalf, but you'd be hard pressed to know it was a highlight save. Likewise, there's a bunch of detail in those RAWs otherwise that do not make it to the JPEGs in terms of Dynamic range which I also had some fun with in LR.

The only point I might disagree with is it not being for sports shooters due to AF. I think DPR didn't spend a lot of time with adapted lenses on this camera that sport either the fabulous nano-USM of the 70-300 IS II USM that Canon covertly recommends for this camera, or any of the great whites with standard USM motors just based off the samples gallery. The AF is killer with a USM motor mounted. But, where I'll agree with the general point about sports being less than ideal is even with fast UHS-II, in 7FPS tracking priority mode, and C-RAW, the buffer still fills pretty quick making it less suitable than say the A6400-A6600 which they're comparing for AF use alone. I'll say based off buffer, they're right.

However some context is necessary as the M6 Mark II is leaps and bounds superior in the Canon realm here though... If you're say comparing it against say a 7D or XXD series like the 80D where the RAW buffer tops out at 24-26 frames, the 42 frames of CRAW of the M6 Mark II is huge. As is the Fuji X-T3 which tops out at 36 frames of RAW. The 1DX Mark II tops it at unlimited RAW (till card fill) and A6500 tops out at 110 frames or RAW buffer. Now, one could counterargue that CRAW is cheating (it's 26 frames of standard RAW otherwise), but, then again the X-T3 doesn't offer CRAW, only full RAW or less resolution RAW so that point is debatable which I'll say the M6 Mark II "wins" because CRAW is a better option as you loose a not measurable amount of post processing ability vs loosing any resolution of the Fuji for example.

Overall I have to agree with their review, not because it's positive, but because it's not misrepresenting the product.

Canon needs more glass though, which is something I suspect Sigma will have to do for us as Canon doesn't want the EF-M eating the RF mounts lunch. Sigma on the other hand will though :)
agree, it was a fair shake
 
After extensive testing against my old a6400, here's what I found regarding M6II's IQ ...

Agreed with DPR's review on this:

"The camera's default sharpening doesn't quite tease-out as much detail as some of its rivals do. There are quite sophisticated controls for fine-tuning this, but the defaults tend to look good, so it's probably only worth spending time re-processing Raws to find your optimal settings if there's something very specific you're trying to achieve."

When I compared it with my a6400, I was shocked (and disappointed) to see how soft and lack of details the OOC JPEG came out from the M6II. After lots of tweaking of in-camera settings as well as RAW settings, here's what I found:

1. Sony's OOC JPEG is way over-sharpened even when the in-camera sharpening is set to the lowest. You must go through RAW conversion to really turn off the sharpening, i.e. in-camera sharpening has a different scale than RAW's sharpening scale. This is one thing I really hate about my a6400 because this creates lots of sharpening artifacts in OOF background.

2. Canon's lack of details can be "fixed" by setting sharpening strength to a "4" but you also need to set the threshold to "10" to avoid artifacts in the OOF background.

3. When the RAW outputs from both cameras are set to the lowest sharpening, the differences in sharpness and details are GONE!!! https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/63328575

I just shot a hockey game this weekend and here's what I found regarding M6II's AF performance ... https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/63348907

Somewhat disagreed with DPR's review on this:

"The camera's autofocus isn't quite a match for Sony's a6400 and a6600 ..."

1. M6II's initial focus acquisition is very fast using my adapted 70-200/2.8IS II, just as fast as using it on the a6400. I don't know how DPR measured the AF speeds and concluded that "The camera's autofocus isn't quite a match for Sony's a6400 and a6600". I saw no difference after using both with the same lens.

Somewhat agreed with DPR's review on this:

"We find the tacking mode isn't quite as good at staying on the target subject as some systems but not to the degree that it's a problem."

2. I did find inconsistency in nailing focus when shooting in high-speed drive mode in that the first frame is sharp and then one or two of the others (but not all) is slightly off. I'm starting to think that enabling "continuous focus" may be the root cause of this as the camera becomes overly enthusiastic to re-acquire focus. Next time I'll try disabling "continuous focus" to see what happen.
 
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Curiously cursory treatment of the 30fps mode, which is one of the more distinctive features of the camera. Their conclusion that the camera isn't suited to sports and wildlife shooting seems misleading. It can do well for conventional shooting for those, judging from results I've seen, and the 30fps mode with prebuffering can do things for action no similar camera can. Even 14fps is faster than the most direct alternatives.
Both Olympus and Panasonic have had similar, if not more capable, modes for several years.
The main drawback is that the AF isn't quite as fast in such settings. That's a crucial limitation in some circumstances but not others. If you have a bit of DOF or know where the action is going to be, as with birds taking flight, a dunk at the basket, or a puck at the net, you should be able to get results unlikely with competitors.

I say should because I haven't been in a position to try these things yet, but I thought DPR might try them.
 
I read the updates to the review. I don't think they're unfair on the nitpicks on the AF not being sticky at times, the video crop washing away 4K detail or JPEG defaults washing away detail in the RAWs. Had a shot completely blown out shot from my recent fun with the Rokinon 50mm, which, Adobe LR (with the M50 profile) saved. Operator error on my behalf, but you'd be hard pressed to know it was a highlight save. Likewise, there's a bunch of detail in those RAWs otherwise that do not make it to the JPEGs in terms of Dynamic range which I also had some fun with in LR.

The only point I might disagree with is it not being for sports shooters due to AF. I think DPR didn't spend a lot of time with adapted lenses on this camera that sport either the fabulous nano-USM of the 70-300 IS II USM that Canon covertly recommends for this camera, or any of the great whites with standard USM motors just based off the samples gallery. The AF is killer with a USM motor mounted. But, where I'll agree with the general point about sports being less than ideal is even with fast UHS-II, in 7FPS tracking priority mode, and C-RAW, the buffer still fills pretty quick making it less suitable than say the A6400-A6600 which they're comparing for AF use alone. I'll say based off buffer, they're right.
these are the two lenses I'm most curious about with the M6 II;



Tamron 100-400, Canon 70-300
Tamron 100-400, Canon 70-300
 
Curiously cursory treatment of the 30fps mode, which is one of the more distinctive features of the camera. Their conclusion that the camera isn't suited to sports and wildlife shooting seems misleading. It can do well for conventional shooting for those, judging from results I've seen, and the 30fps mode with prebuffering can do things for action no similar camera can. Even 14fps is faster than the most direct alternatives.
Both Olympus and Panasonic have had similar, if not more capable, modes for several years.
Are you talking about MFT? Not a direct alternative.
 
I read the updates to the review. I don't think they're unfair on the nitpicks on the AF not being sticky at times, the video crop washing away 4K detail or JPEG defaults washing away detail in the RAWs. Had a shot completely blown out shot from my recent fun with the Rokinon 50mm, which, Adobe LR (with the M50 profile) saved. Operator error on my behalf, but you'd be hard pressed to know it was a highlight save. Likewise, there's a bunch of detail in those RAWs otherwise that do not make it to the JPEGs in terms of Dynamic range which I also had some fun with in LR.

The only point I might disagree with is it not being for sports shooters due to AF. I think DPR didn't spend a lot of time with adapted lenses on this camera that sport either the fabulous nano-USM of the 70-300 IS II USM that Canon covertly recommends for this camera, or any of the great whites with standard USM motors just based off the samples gallery. The AF is killer with a USM motor mounted. But, where I'll agree with the general point about sports being less than ideal is even with fast UHS-II, in 7FPS tracking priority mode, and C-RAW, the buffer still fills pretty quick making it less suitable than say the A6400-A6600 which they're comparing for AF use alone. I'll say based off buffer, they're right.
these are the two lenses I'm most curious about with the M6 II;

Tamron 100-400, Canon 70-300
Tamron 100-400, Canon 70-300
I've shot the Tamron 100-400 on the EOS R + Adapter. It's a bit slow in terms of initial AF acquisition, but once it's got it, it's got it and AI-Servo does an excellent job (on the R) of holding the lock. Light for what it is, but it was unwieldy on the R. It'll be unbalanced on the M6 Mark II too then. No question. It's just so long it's not a comfortable proportion even though it's light in the bag if that makes sense. Contrast that to the RF 28-70 f/2L. Heavy in the bag, but, handles well mounted on the EOS R (not RP).

The 70-300 IS II (have it) handles well by contrast on the M6 Mark II and EOS R. Fast initial AF lock and AI-Servo tracking. Both lenses are sharp and have VERY effective IS.

I'd say the 100-400 Tamron is a good option if you want a lighter cheaper 100-400L, but, the initial AF lock isn't small potatoes (vs the Canon's). The reach isn't either (100-400 vs 70-300). Nor is the price difference (Like $500-ish)! They're all tradeoffs. Depends how much you want to spend and what you're willing to trade for what.

I'll say the 70-300 IS II doesn't disappoint on the M6 Mark II. I can post some samples from the Tamron 100-400 on the R if you're interested. I think I did on the R forum somewhere...

Both the Tamron 100-400 and Canon 70-300 IS II render a bit cool on the colors. The M6 Mark II is a bit warmer which helps the 70-300 IS II and in theory should help the Tamron 100-400 as well.

Note, where the zoom ring is as well. It's not well placed on the Tamron 100-400 in my handling. The handling, is what did the Tamron 100-400 in for me. May be the lightest 100-400, but frankly, it might as well have been a 100-400L if you ask me. Combine that with the slow initial AF lock, I returned it.

Now if you're on a budget, and want 100-400? Absolutely. Two thumbs up. But not to beat the dead horse, I did not care for the handling, at all.
 
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Curiously cursory treatment of the 30fps mode, which is one of the more distinctive features of the camera. Their conclusion that the camera isn't suited to sports and wildlife shooting seems misleading. It can do well for conventional shooting for those, judging from results I've seen, and the 30fps mode with prebuffering can do things for action no similar camera can. Even 14fps is faster than the most direct alternatives.
Both Olympus and Panasonic have had similar, if not more capable, modes for several years.
Are you talking about MFT? Not a direct alternative.
Also Panasonic full frame. Pre-buffering frames is not new.
 
All Canon needs to do now is release an M6 with integrated EVF, a competent, not-dog-slow, normal zoom lens and refresh the M22/2 with IS and even better optics.
 
All Canon needs to do now is release an M6 with integrated EVF, a competent, not-dog-slow, normal zoom lens and refresh the M22/2 with IS and even better optics.
I know some people would like them to do those things (I'd like the second and third), but I'm not sure that they need to do them. The M6II is a great camera, easily the best camera I've ever owned, and I'm pretty happy with my four fast EF-M primes (Sigma 16 and 56, Canon 22 and 32), superb UW zoom, and decent superzoom. Plus, it plays very nicely with my main sports lens, the 70-200 F2.8L IS II. More is often better, but "need" is an awfully strong word.
 
All Canon needs to do now is release an M6 with integrated EVF, a competent, not-dog-slow, normal zoom lens and refresh the M22/2 with IS and even better optics.
I know some people would like them to do those things (I'd like the second and third), but I'm not sure that they need to do them. The M6II is a great camera, easily the best camera I've ever owned, and I'm pretty happy with my four fast EF-M primes (Sigma 16 and 56, Canon 22 and 32), superb UW zoom, and decent superzoom. Plus, it plays very nicely with my main sports lens, the 70-200 F2.8L IS II. More is often better, but "need" is an awfully strong word.
You don't have the Sigma 16 by chance? I'm stewing on giving it a whirl. I hesitate a bit though; larger lens and less than favorite focal length equivalence...
 
"need" was used in the colloquial, informal manner there. You knew that.
 

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