Zeiss vs Sigma EX lenses - round three (you guess)

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as promised, i took Zeiss 35mm and my EX 15-30mm today
and shot the following pics. I use EX 30mm manually and set
the focus at infinity. Here are the results of A and B out of SPP (no PS).
A:



B:



C: Full view (color enhanced with PS curves)



please match the photos with the lenses and make comments
Thanks for looking
 
a is sigma
b is zeiss
c is b
zeiss is nice

Mike
as promised, i took Zeiss 35mm and my EX 15-30mm today
and shot the following pics. I use EX 30mm manually and set
the focus at infinity. Here are the results of A and B out of SPP
(no PS).
A:



B:



C: Full view (color enhanced with PS curves)



please match the photos with the lenses and make comments
Thanks for looking
 
I seem that
A
B
C

If, I use CRT monitor. I will tell big different between Zeiss and Sigma. I am too lazy to switch monitor
 
Hi Pollux,

Do you recall the fstop and shutter speeds these pics were taken at? Rick Decker has noted that the 30mm end of the 15-30 is inferior to the 30 setting on the 24-70 but I found the whole range of the 15-30 to be pretty nice at f11. So I am curious as to whether the 15-30 was set optimally or not.

Are you continuing your experiments? At one point I think you mentioned that you were able to effectively use the metering of the SD9 with the zeiss lenses. Is that the case and if so how effectively and on what lenses?

thanks,

Mike
as promised, i took Zeiss 35mm and my EX 15-30mm today
and shot the following pics. I use EX 30mm manually and set
the focus at infinity. Here are the results of A and B out of SPP
(no PS).
A:



B:



C: Full view (color enhanced with PS curves)



please match the photos with the lenses and make comments
Thanks for looking
 
B is a tad sharper though IMHO not much. B has slightly better contrast. A is warmer. I vote for "all of the above"!! A is the zeiss and b is the sigma.

Ricj
as promised, i took Zeiss 35mm and my EX 15-30mm today
and shot the following pics. I use EX 30mm manually and set
the focus at infinity. Here are the results of A and B out of SPP
(no PS).
A:



B:



C: Full view (color enhanced with PS curves)



please match the photos with the lenses and make comments
Thanks for looking
--
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.......Feel The Power.........Sigma.....SD9..........

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http://www.pbase.com/rickdecker
http://www.pbase.com/sigmasd9/user_home
 
Oops... as per my analyisis I meant A is sigma! Also I just read the answer so it is a moot point. Disirregardless, there is not that much difference IMHO. Contrast may be the bigger difference (than sharpness).
Ricj
as promised, i took Zeiss 35mm and my EX 15-30mm today
and shot the following pics. I use EX 30mm manually and set
the focus at infinity. Here are the results of A and B out of SPP
(no PS).
A:



B:



C: Full view (color enhanced with PS curves)



please match the photos with the lenses and make comments
Thanks for looking
--
It's a tough job, living in Hawaii, but someone has to do it!!!

.......Feel The Power.........Sigma.....SD9..........

http://www.lightreflection.com
http://www.silveroaksranch.com
http://www.pbase.com/rickdecker
http://www.pbase.com/sigmasd9/user_home
--
It's a tough job, living in Hawaii, but someone has to do it!!!

.......Feel The Power.........Sigma.....SD9..........

http://www.lightreflection.com
http://www.silveroaksranch.com
http://www.pbase.com/rickdecker
http://www.pbase.com/sigmasd9/user_home
 
Karl,

You need to try using a proxy. Are you on a pc using explorer? If so I'll send you instructions on setting it up. It doesn't get me past censorship but it does make things a good deal faster from here.

Mike
Pollux, is there any other place for your pictures?! Coz somehow I
can never see anything you refere to, and it's very annoying.. I
don't know if your site is unreachable from China.. (many are)

Could you maybe use Pbase Sigmausers or something like that?!

--
Carl 'Calei' Rytterfalk (China, Kunming)
http://www.pbase.com/rytterfalk
http://www.pbase.com/sigmasd9/carl_rytterfalk
E-mail [email protected], Proud SD9 owner.
 
Hi Pollux,

Do you recall the fstop and shutter speeds these pics were taken
at? Rick Decker has noted that the 30mm end of the 15-30 is
inferior to the 30 setting on the 24-70 but I found the whole range
of the 15-30 to be pretty nice at f11. So I am curious as to
whether the 15-30 was set optimally or not.
Mike:
i used f11@1/125 or f8@250 under sunny day
Are you continuing your experiments? At one point I think you
mentioned that you were able to effectively use the metering of the
SD9 with the zeiss lenses. Is that the case and if so how
effectively and on what lenses?
What i did was set SD9 on manual mode
and depress the bottom half way
the EV meter will tell you + or - EV value and by how much
you then manually re-adjust either the aperture or shutter speed
this way you will get some good results
i am not advocate everyone to switch to Zeiss lenses.

It just happens that i owned several old Zeiss lenses on the M42 film cameras, and am reluctant to give them up, besides
they are small in size and more convinient for travel.
 
my web host is Yahoo USA
i dont know why its not reachable in China???
Pollux, is there any other place for your pictures?! Coz somehow I
can never see anything you refere to, and it's very annoying.. I
don't know if your site is unreachable from China.. (many are)

Could you maybe use Pbase Sigmausers or something like that?!

--
Carl 'Calei' Rytterfalk (China, Kunming)
http://www.pbase.com/rytterfalk
http://www.pbase.com/sigmasd9/carl_rytterfalk
E-mail [email protected], Proud SD9 owner.
 
for me it wasn't unreachable but I could never get more than about 30% of the first pic before something timed out somewhere along the line. Using a proxy server in the us eliminated the problem.

Now if I could just find a way around the censorship. They've even blocked nonymouse.com where I am now. I'm pretty sure there are encrypted solutions available that would prevent them from knowing anything about where I am going and what I am doing but proxy doesn't encrypt the ip octet and so it doesn't get around their censored sites.

Mike
Pollux, is there any other place for your pictures?! Coz somehow I
can never see anything you refere to, and it's very annoying.. I
don't know if your site is unreachable from China.. (many are)

Could you maybe use Pbase Sigmausers or something like that?!

--
Carl 'Calei' Rytterfalk (China, Kunming)
http://www.pbase.com/rytterfalk
http://www.pbase.com/sigmasd9/carl_rytterfalk
E-mail [email protected], Proud SD9 owner.
 
Hi Pollux,

Do you recall the fstop and shutter speeds these pics were taken
at? Rick Decker has noted that the 30mm end of the 15-30 is
inferior to the 30 setting on the 24-70 but I found the whole range
of the 15-30 to be pretty nice at f11. So I am curious as to
whether the 15-30 was set optimally or not.
Mike:
i used f11@1/125 or f8@250 under sunny day
Would be nice to know which. My experience is that there is a big difference between f8 and f11 on the 15-30.
Are you continuing your experiments? At one point I think you
mentioned that you were able to effectively use the metering of the
SD9 with the zeiss lenses. Is that the case and if so how
effectively and on what lenses?
What i did was set SD9 on manual mode
and depress the bottom half way
the EV meter will tell you + or - EV value and by how much
you then manually re-adjust either the aperture or shutter speed
this way you will get some good results
i am not advocate everyone to switch to Zeiss lenses.
It just happens that i owned several old Zeiss lenses on the M42
film cameras, and am reluctant to give them up, besides
they are small in size and more convinient for travel.
Understood. After looking at my first day of pics on Huangshan with the 1-30 at f8 I was ready to look for an alternative solution. However after the second day at f11 I don't feel so pressed. I am interested in that 16mm fisheye though. do you have any experience with the zeiss jena 20mm that shows up once in a while?

thanks for your efforts.

Mike
 
docmaas > > >
Do you recall the fstop and shutter speeds these pics were taken
at? Rick Decker has noted that the 30mm end of the 15-30 is
inferior to the 30 setting on the 24-70 but I found the whole range
of the 15-30 to be pretty nice at f11. So I am curious as to
whether the 15-30 was set optimally or not.
Mike:
i used f11@1/125 or f8@250 under sunny day
Would be nice to know which. My experience is that there is a big
difference between f8 and f11 on the 15-30.
I think Sigma 15-30mm is sharp at F8 and F11, i did not notice
the difference.
The only problem is that at certain angle/exposure? i got yellowish
color on human
Understood. After looking at my first day of pics on Huangshan
with the 1-30 at f8 I was ready to look for an alternative
solution. However after the second day at f11 I don't feel so
pressed. I am interested in that 16mm fisheye though. do you have
any experience with the zeiss jena 20mm that shows up once in a
while?
i have a Zeiss 20mm too. Unforunately the results are disappointing.
May be it has to do with my faulty lens and not the Zeiss 20mm lens in general.
I am trying to get a Russian Zenitar 16mm now.
regards,
P.
 
Mike:

My 1530 & 24/28/20 tests were done at a "semi-closeup" range and the primes were noticeably better, especially in the corners. I have a shot on my pbase site of the "swing" at the county fair which was taken with the 1530 at f4.5 and the edges are really soft. In addition I did a comparison of the 14 and 1530 of a painted wall about 8 feet away and the 14 blew away the 1530 even at f8. I will post these shots (need to reshoot them) when I get my 14 back from Ikelite in a few weeks.

From experience, I believe that as distance increases, the sharpness difference decreases. This seems to be confirmed by many of my landscape shots. I just finished another trip to the Southwest and despite my good intentions to shoot the primes, I wound up shooting the 1530 more. As with my previous trip this spring, my f-stops were almost always between 6.3 and 11. Was I happy with the lens performance? Absolutely!! Most of my shots with this lens were between 15mm and 24mm so I had good depth of field. What I really liked about the performance was that this lens seems to nail the focus all the time. I have had cases where the primes (24/28) were a little soft and I couldn't figure out why. In my lens tests, I shot at least one of the lenses on a series of 3 shots of the same image, forcing the camera to refocus each time, and each time, I had different levels of sharpness. I have heard some focus inconsistency comments from others as well.

So the jury is out. Even if the 20/24/28 are sharper, the 1530 still performed admrably, helped by Foveon's superb sensor!! If you can shoot the 1530 at mid-stops, it is a winner. If not, go for the primes. I will most likely carry all the lenses and pull out the primes when I need to shoot either stopped down for depth or opened up for speed.

Hope you are enjoying China. Don't take any side trips to North Korea!!

Rick
Do you recall the fstop and shutter speeds these pics were taken
at? Rick Decker has noted that the 30mm end of the 15-30 is
inferior to the 30 setting on the 24-70 but I found the whole range
of the 15-30 to be pretty nice at f11. So I am curious as to
whether the 15-30 was set optimally or not.

Are you continuing your experiments? At one point I think you
mentioned that you were able to effectively use the metering of the
SD9 with the zeiss lenses. Is that the case and if so how
effectively and on what lenses?

thanks,

Mike
as promised, i took Zeiss 35mm and my EX 15-30mm today
and shot the following pics. I use EX 30mm manually and set
the focus at infinity. Here are the results of A and B out of SPP
(no PS).
A:



B:



C: Full view (color enhanced with PS curves)



please match the photos with the lenses and make comments
Thanks for looking
--
It's a tough job, living in Hawaii, but someone has to do it!!!

.......Feel The Power.........Sigma.....SD9..........

http://www.lightreflection.com
http://www.silveroaksranch.com
http://www.pbase.com/rickdecker
http://www.pbase.com/sigmasd9/user_home
 
Hi Rick,

I didn't do any testing but I took a couple hundred shots on my first day at Huang Shan at f8 and another 100+ on my second day at f11 and going through the shots with the loupe in spp I was left with the impression that there is a big difference between the two settings.

Now on the second day the light was much better and it may be that it helped the autofocus more as well. Only controlled tests will really give me a good idea of what the difference is but there is a big difference between the two days of shooting where changing from f8 to f11 was the only camera variable that was changed. Oh yes, I used a polarizer at f8 and grad ND at f11; that could also impact focus.

So how was your trip? Gonna post some pics soon?

Mike
My 1530 & 24/28/20 tests were done at a "semi-closeup" range and
the primes were noticeably better, especially in the corners. I
have a shot on my pbase site of the "swing" at the county fair
which was taken with the 1530 at f4.5 and the edges are really
soft. In addition I did a comparison of the 14 and 1530 of a
painted wall about 8 feet away and the 14 blew away the 1530 even
at f8. I will post these shots (need to reshoot them) when I get
my 14 back from Ikelite in a few weeks.

From experience, I believe that as distance increases, the
sharpness difference decreases. This seems to be confirmed by many
of my landscape shots. I just finished another trip to the
Southwest and despite my good intentions to shoot the primes, I
wound up shooting the 1530 more. As with my previous trip this
spring, my f-stops were almost always between 6.3 and 11. Was I
happy with the lens performance? Absolutely!! Most of my shots
with this lens were between 15mm and 24mm so I had good depth of
field. What I really liked about the performance was that this
lens seems to nail the focus all the time. I have had cases where
the primes (24/28) were a little soft and I couldn't figure out
why. In my lens tests, I shot at least one of the lenses on a
series of 3 shots of the same image, forcing the camera to refocus
each time, and each time, I had different levels of sharpness. I
have heard some focus inconsistency comments from others as well.

So the jury is out. Even if the 20/24/28 are sharper, the 1530
still performed admrably, helped by Foveon's superb sensor!! If you
can shoot the 1530 at mid-stops, it is a winner. If not, go for
the primes. I will most likely carry all the lenses and pull out
the primes when I need to shoot either stopped down for depth or
opened up for speed.

Hope you are enjoying China. Don't take any side trips to North
Korea!!

Rick
Do you recall the fstop and shutter speeds these pics were taken
at? Rick Decker has noted that the 30mm end of the 15-30 is
inferior to the 30 setting on the 24-70 but I found the whole range
of the 15-30 to be pretty nice at f11. So I am curious as to
whether the 15-30 was set optimally or not.

Are you continuing your experiments? At one point I think you
mentioned that you were able to effectively use the metering of the
SD9 with the zeiss lenses. Is that the case and if so how
effectively and on what lenses?

thanks,

Mike
as promised, i took Zeiss 35mm and my EX 15-30mm today
and shot the following pics. I use EX 30mm manually and set
the focus at infinity. Here are the results of A and B out of SPP
(no PS).
A:



B:



C: Full view (color enhanced with PS curves)



please match the photos with the lenses and make comments
Thanks for looking
--
It's a tough job, living in Hawaii, but someone has to do it!!!

.......Feel The Power.........Sigma.....SD9..........

http://www.lightreflection.com
http://www.silveroaksranch.com
http://www.pbase.com/rickdecker
http://www.pbase.com/sigmasd9/user_home
 
Hi folks,

The results of the test look very interesting.

Where can I get info on where to buy the mount needed for the sigma and approx how much does itcost and Zeiss
lens to fit it
thanks
 

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