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What are the chances Nikon drops NX-D and lets Capture One create a Nikon version?

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At what point will Nikon give up on supporting Capture NX-D and View NX-i and go the route both Sony and Fuji have taken by partnering with someone like Capture One?

I like using Nikon's Picture Control settings to get as close as I can in-camera. One thing I like about NX-D is that it replicates these profiles (and custom created ones) perfectly for further editing on the computer.

Lightroom tries to interpret these settings but the results are always too far off.

I'd love a modern RAW developer that respected Nikon's camera settings like Active D-lighting, Picture Controls, etc.
 
My main complaint with NX-D is that loading raw files is too slow
 
I use C1 for years with Leica and Nikon. So far I know is that the Sony has the same dev-engine as the "normal" C1 except that it can read only Sony-Raws. I think only the "price" is different for the users not the quality. OK it would be nice a C1 for 0 Euro/Dollars etc. But this is only for guys using only one brand.
 
camerons said:
At what point will Nikon give up on supporting Capture NX-D and View NX-i and go the route both Sony and Fuji have taken by partnering with someone like Capture One?

I like using Nikon's Picture Control settings to get as close as I can in-camera. One thing I like about NX-D is that it replicates these profiles (and custom created ones) perfectly for further editing on the computer.

Lightroom tries to interpret these settings but the results are always too far off.

I'd love a modern RAW developer that respected Nikon's camera settings like Active D-lighting, Picture Controls, etc.
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Well, IMO Capture One is the best RAW converter there is (I use Capture One Pro) so it would be great if they did use Capture One as their default post processing partner. However, C1 would have to license it to Nikon at a cost and this would probably only allow a dumbed down version but allowing for upgrades to the more elaborate versions at a discounted price. The issue will be how dumbed down will it be to allow C1 to be able to afford to sell it to Nikon at a decent price and bundle it for free with the cameras and at that level do you get the same, more, or less than you do with Capture NX-D. That is the issue here.
 
camerons said:
Lightroom tries to interpret these settings but the results are always too far off.
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That is not my experience. At least for standard profile, lightroom image looks very close to z6/z7 jpg.
 
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I tested this again earlier today and the Lightroom version's contrast was much higher than the in-camera jpeg or NX-D export (which looked identical).

This was using one of my slightly modified presets though which was based off of the standard "Portrait" one.
 
Lance B said:
However, C1 would have to license it to Nikon at a cost and this would probably only allow a dumbed down version but allowing for upgrades to the more elaborate versions at a discounted price. The issue will be how dumbed down will it be to allow C1 to be able to afford to sell it to Nikon at a decent price and bundle it for free with the cameras and at that level do you get the same, more, or less than you do with Capture NX-D. That is the issue here.
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Isn't this exactly what they do with Sony and Fuji? They offer the Sony and Fuji Capture One "Express" versions for free but you can also buy the respective Pro version.
 
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camerons said:
Lance B said:
However, C1 would have to license it to Nikon at a cost and this would probably only allow a dumbed down version but allowing for upgrades to the more elaborate versions at a discounted price. The issue will be how dumbed down will it be to allow C1 to be able to afford to sell it to Nikon at a decent price and bundle it for free with the cameras and at that level do you get the same, more, or less than you do with Capture NX-D. That is the issue here.
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Isn't this exactly what they do with Sony and Fuji? They offer the Sony and Fuji Capture One "Express" versions for free but you can also buy the respective Pro version.
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If they do then that's great, I didn't realize this as I do not use their systems.

However, if Nikon also do it that would be admitting that Sony and Fuji have got it right and Nikon never likes to admit that!
 
camerons said:
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This was using one of my slightly modified presets though which was based off of the standard "Portrait" one.
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If you renamed the preset, it is possible that lightroom is not able to pick up. However if you just modify portrait preset, it should be able to pick up and apply the right profile and changes to it.

In my experience lightroom picks up profile changes as well as other image quality related changes.
 
camerons said:
I'd love a modern RAW developer that respected Nikon's camera settings like Active D-lighting, Picture Controls, etc.
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Me too. I find ADL very useful, especially for travel and informal photos where I don't want to spend a lot of time retouching. It renders high contrast photos much better for viewing on low dynamic range screens or prints, without fiddling with a lot of sliders for each photo. I've gone back to using Capture NX-D primarily for this feature. I don't know why Adobe can't emulate ADL. After all, Nikon isn't the only company that has this type of feature.
 
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bokemon said:
My main complaint with NX-D is that loading raw files is too slow
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How slow is to slow , My computer loads a file from the thumbnail almost instantly , certainly no more than a second.
 
camerons said:
At what point will Nikon give up on supporting Capture NX-D and View NX-i and go the route both Sony and Fuji have taken by partnering with someone like Capture One?

I like using Nikon's Picture Control settings to get as close as I can in-camera. One thing I like about NX-D is that it replicates these profiles (and custom created ones) perfectly for further editing on the computer.

Lightroom tries to interpret these settings but the results are always too far off.

I'd love a modern RAW developer that respected Nikon's camera settings like Active D-lighting, Picture Controls, etc.
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Why do we have to accept Nikon’s picture controls as “the Bible”? I don’t. I rarely use one of the Camera profiles in ACR/LR. If I use any of the supplied profiles these days I use Adobe Color. Most of the time I use a custom profile.
 
michaeladawson said:
camerons said:
I'd love a modern RAW developer that respected Nikon's camera settings like Active D-lighting, Picture Controls, etc.
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Why do we have to accept Nikon’s picture controls as “the Bible”?
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Buy using software that accurately presents the Nikon profiles...then your workflow can start from a What You Saw on the Back of the Camera is what you see when you start your processing
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I don’t. I rarely use one of the Camera profiles in ACR/LR. If I use any of the supplied profiles these days I use Adobe Color. Most of the time I use a custom profile.
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Then you never have the advantage of accurately judging, with regards to you workflow, based on what your see during the shoot on the back of the camera. Pros and Cons to that approach.
 
I'd be pretty okay with this, I used the express version with my Sony a6000 and would strongly consider buying the discounted pro version for Nikon.

Not keen on the monthly subscription concept of Lightroom
 
cosmicnode said:
bokemon said:
My main complaint with NX-D is that loading raw files is too slow
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How slow is to slow , My computer loads a file from the thumbnail almost instantly , certainly no more than a second.
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about 15 seconds to have a raw file ready (full resolution, arrows in lower right corner stop spinning)
 
bokemon said:
cosmicnode said:
bokemon said:
My main complaint with NX-D is that loading raw files is too slow
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How slow is to slow , My computer loads a file from the thumbnail almost instantly , certainly no more than a second.
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about 15 seconds to have a raw file ready (full resolution, arrows in lower right corner stop spinning)
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I see the arrows now, Never noticed them before, I have simply started to crop etc as soon as the image appeared in the main window.
 
bokemon said:
My main complaint with NX-D is that loading raw files is too slow
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That's my only complaint. I solved it through buying a 2Tb SSD and is much better now.
 
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bokemon said:
olyflyer said:
bokemon said:
My main complaint with NX-D is that loading raw files is too slow
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That's my only complaint. I solved it through buying a 2Tb SSD and is much better now.
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I have a 1 TB SSD. But maybe my CPU is too slow (2011 Mac Mini i5 running windows 7)
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That is probably your problem. I built a computer last year, Rysen 5, 2600 6 core. with 16gb of ram and a Nvidia RTX 2060 6gb video card , Boot from a ssd and 3TB of hard disk running windows 10. Cheap and easy to build
 
michaeladawson said:
Why do we have to accept Nikon’s picture controls as “the Bible”? I don’t. I rarely use one of the Camera profiles in ACR/LR. If I use any of the supplied profiles these days I use Adobe Color. Most of the time I use a custom profile.
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We don't. It's more about the workflow convenience of being able to get the shot right in-camera as much as possible and that translating to the computer.

This is probably especially more apt for a Z since we are using EVFs.
 
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