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The lack of IBIS on the Z 50 would not be a major concern if the S lenses were stabilized, but they are not, at least so far. So, at this point, the only way to grow a Z 50 system will be with the use of the FTZ adapter or with unstabilized S lenses. Not an ideal situation. Does the Nikon lens map include future stabilized S lenses, either DX or FF? If not, the Z 50 feels like a dead end. And the FTZ should certainly be offered for free with a Z 50 if that is the case.
 
You right.

I was so excited about the Z50 that I pre-order it because I already have plenty of DX lens and I wanted to jump into hybride Z side.

Then I realized that it was a mistake because of the dead-end that everybody talking about.

So I canceled my pre-order of the Z50 (1149€) and got an Z6 for few hundred euro more. (Thank to The Nikon Fall Sales Event)

The decreasing price of Z6 make no sense for an Z50 for me anymore.
 
David Lumsden said:
The lack of IBIS on the Z 50 would not be a major concern if the S lenses were stabilized, but they are not, at least so far. So, at this point, the only way to grow a Z 50 system will be with the use of the FTZ adapter or with unstabilized S lenses. Not an ideal situation. Does the Nikon lens map include future stabilized S lenses, either DX or FF? If not, the Z 50 feels like a dead end. And the FTZ should certainly be offered for free with a Z 50 if that is the case.
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Hi,

The S dx lenses have VR ! See

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www.dpreview.com

and

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www.dpreview.com

The S fullframe lenses have (untill now) no VR.
 
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mrbr said:
David Lumsden said:
The lack of IBIS on the Z 50 would not be a major concern if the S lenses were stabilized, but they are not, at least so far. So, at this point, the only way to grow a Z 50 system will be with the use of the FTZ adapter or with unstabilized S lenses. Not an ideal situation. Does the Nikon lens map include future stabilized S lenses, either DX or FF? If not, the Z 50 feels like a dead end. And the FTZ should certainly be offered for free with a Z 50 if that is the case.
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Hi,

The S dx lenses have VR ! See

https://www.dpreview.com/products/nikon/lenses/nikon_z_dx_16-50_3p5-6p3_vr

and

https://www.dpreview.com/products/nikon/lenses/nikon_z_dx_50-250_4p5-6p3_vr

The S fullframe lenses have (untill now) no VR.
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I know. That was my point. The Basic question was: will Nikon introduce new S lenses in the DX format or FF with VR? Or comp the FTZ?
 
David Lumsden said:
mrbr said:
David Lumsden said:
The lack of IBIS on the Z 50 would not be a major concern if the S lenses were stabilized, but they are not, at least so far. So, at this point, the only way to grow a Z 50 system will be with the use of the FTZ adapter or with unstabilized S lenses. Not an ideal situation. Does the Nikon lens map include future stabilized S lenses, either DX or FF? If not, the Z 50 feels like a dead end. And the FTZ should certainly be offered for free with a Z 50 if that is the case.
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Hi,

The S dx lenses have VR ! See

https://www.dpreview.com/products/nikon/lenses/nikon_z_dx_16-50_3p5-6p3_vr

and

https://www.dpreview.com/products/nikon/lenses/nikon_z_dx_50-250_4p5-6p3_vr

The S fullframe lenses have (untill now) no VR.
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I know. That was my point. The Basic question was: will Nikon introduce new S lenses in the DX format or FF with VR? Or comp the FTZ?
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IMO Nikon will implement the same strategy for the Z mount dx lenses as it implemented for the F mount dx lenses ….

If you want a complete ASP-C lens collection, you should look at Fujifilm IMO.

Also , you could read this :

https://www.dpreview.com/opinion/4178727265/what-the-z50-tells-us-about-nikon-s-aps-c-strategy

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mrbr said:
David Lumsden said:
mrbr said:
David Lumsden said:
The lack of IBIS on the Z 50 would not be a major concern if the S lenses were stabilized, but they are not, at least so far. So, at this point, the only way to grow a Z 50 system will be with the use of the FTZ adapter or with unstabilized S lenses. Not an ideal situation. Does the Nikon lens map include future stabilized S lenses, either DX or FF? If not, the Z 50 feels like a dead end. And the FTZ should certainly be offered for free with a Z 50 if that is the case.
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Hi,

The S dx lenses have VR ! See

https://www.dpreview.com/products/nikon/lenses/nikon_z_dx_16-50_3p5-6p3_vr

and

https://www.dpreview.com/products/nikon/lenses/nikon_z_dx_50-250_4p5-6p3_vr

The S fullframe lenses have (untill now) no VR.
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I know. That was my point. The Basic question was: will Nikon introduce new S lenses in the DX format or FF with VR? Or comp the FTZ?
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IMO Nikon will implement the same strategy for the Z mount dx lenses as it implemented for the F mount dx lenses ….
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Meaning what, exactly? With VR? without VR? That was, after all, the basic question for this thread.
mrbr said:
If you want a complete ASP-C lens collection, you should look at Fujifilm IMO.
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Thanks. Very useful.
mrbr said:
Also , you could read this :

https://www.dpreview.com/opinion/4178727265/what-the-z50-tells-us-about-nikon-s-aps-c-strategy
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I have read it, and I just re-read it as well. I see no direct answer therein to the question at hand.
 
David Lumsden said:
mrbr said:
David Lumsden said:
mrbr said:
David Lumsden said:
The lack of IBIS on the Z 50 would not be a major concern if the S lenses were stabilized, but they are not, at least so far. So, at this point, the only way to grow a Z 50 system will be with the use of the FTZ adapter or with unstabilized S lenses. Not an ideal situation. Does the Nikon lens map include future stabilized S lenses, either DX or FF? If not, the Z 50 feels like a dead end. And the FTZ should certainly be offered for free with a Z 50 if that is the case.
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Hi,

The S dx lenses have VR ! See

https://www.dpreview.com/products/nikon/lenses/nikon_z_dx_16-50_3p5-6p3_vr

and

https://www.dpreview.com/products/nikon/lenses/nikon_z_dx_50-250_4p5-6p3_vr

The S fullframe lenses have (untill now) no VR.
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I know. That was my point. The Basic question was: will Nikon introduce new S lenses in the DX format or FF with VR? Or comp the FTZ?
Click to expand...
IMO Nikon will implement the same strategy for the Z mount dx lenses as it implemented for the F mount dx lenses ….
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Meaning what, exactly? With VR? without VR? That was, after all, the basic question for this thread.
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IMO : a lot of zooms and no dx primes except for the 28mm, 40mm and 60mm compact prime lenses as shown in the Nikkor Z lens lineup. Just as with nikkor F dx lenses. I hope I am wrong.

See also :

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www.dslrbodies.com

Thom’s Recommended Lenses for DX Users | DSLRBodies | Thom Hogan

Thom Hogan's recommended lenses for Nikon DX cameras
www.dslrbodies.com www.dslrbodies.com
Member said:
Member said:
If you want a complete ASP-C lens collection, you should look at Fujifilm IMO.
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Thanks. Very useful.
Member said:
Also , you could read this :

https://www.dpreview.com/opinion/4178727265/what-the-z50-tells-us-about-nikon-s-aps-c-strategy
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I have read it, and I just re-read it as well. I see no direct answer therein to the question at hand.
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I’ve seen the same road map. Have you seen anywhere whether these lenses will be VR or not? It looks like the FTZ will be a must-have accessory for non-VR lenses, either FX or DX, especially when the light is less than optimal (like if the sky is falling) and the subject is either far away or very close up.

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David Lumsden said:
I’ve seen the same road map. Have you seen anywhere whether these lenses will be VR or not? It looks like the FTZ will be a must-have accessory.
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Hi,

No extra information is given in the Z lens line up for the 28mm, 40mm compact primes and 60mm micr0 lens. I don't think nikkor will build VR into those lenses..

An FTZ adaptor is IMO a must-have accessory unless you limit yourself to the Z lenses. Depends on what you want to do with the Z50.
 
Nice of Nikon to offer a free FTZ with the purchase of a Z camera with IBIS, but not with the Z camera that lacks it.
 
Sacred said:
David Lumsden said:
Mebiuspower said:
No IBIS, THE SKY IS FALLING! How did real photographers survive without it?
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They didn’t shoot telephoto or macro in low light.
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There are no tele or macro lenses available for Z mount at the moment so you don't have to worry about that yet. Plus such photos are most often than not taken on a tripod.
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”Most such photos (telephoto and macro) ...taken on tripod.” Really? Your source?
Sacred said:
The lack of ibis is overblown issue. No dslr has ibis and most dslr lenses lack VR.
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Not more recent lenses. Most modern DSLR lenses do have VR. Why? Because, as you say, no DSLR has IBIS.
Sacred said:
The sky is falling indeed.
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David Lumsden said:
Nice of Nikon to offer a free FTZ with the purchase of a Z camera with IBIS, but not with the Z camera that lacks it.
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Your D7500 doesn't have IBIS either and the 35 dx that you list in your gear does not have VR - and BTW, that Olympus Air that list doesn't have IBIS either . . .

That Z50 retails at about $857 (US). Your D7500 retails at $996 (although granted it is currently marked down to $800). Used FTZ's run around $169 from retail outlets, but I've seen them under $125 (and even under $100) from private sellers.

So for about the cost of a retail D7500, you can pick up a new Z50 plus a used FTZ. I'm not clear as to why you'd want to do that as the D7500 is a very capable tool - although MILC's do have some advantages.

Frankly all these threads moaning that the Z50 is supposed to be this, or really should be that, are tedious. It's painfully obvious that it is a low-cost entry level mirrorless Nikon along the lines of the D3xxx and D5xxx series that will probably be mass marketed as kits through Costco, Target and others. It's a parallel, not an upgrade, path.

Honestly, if you want access to the S glass, sell your DX equipment, add the money you are willing to put into the Z50, and get a Z6 kit.
 
David Lumsden said:
The lack of IBIS on the Z 50 would not be a major concern if the S lenses were stabilized, but they are not, at least so far. So, at this point, the only way to grow a Z 50 system will be with the use of the FTZ adapter or with unstabilized S lenses. Not an ideal situation. Does the Nikon lens map include future stabilized S lenses, either DX or FF? If not, the Z 50 feels like a dead end. And the FTZ should certainly be offered for free with a Z 50 if that is the case.
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I think the ultimate answer to this at the moment is nobody knows - other than Nikon. And they are not yet ready to say. I would be surprised if an £850 camera had IBIS in the current market......I paid that for a D7200 (fantastic camera) in the UK 3 years ago. The D7200 does not have IBIS.

And for instance nor does the 35mm f1.8 and that is not a problem to use with appropriate shutter speed and/or ISO. The 16-85 I use on it does have VR just as the 2 Z50 kit lens announced do. The VR is excellent in the 16-85 just like it is in the newer 16-80. I imagine it would be very good in the Z50 kit lenses. I also use the full frame 50mm f1.8 and 85mm f1.8 on my D7200 - they don't have VR either and work beautifully.

Nikon have said in an interview that to put IBIS in the Z50 would have made the camera bigger....ruining their plan of having it as small as it is.

The Fuji XT-3 does not have IBIS - is an excellent camera and in the UK sells for around £1350 I think. The Fuji XT-30 is £849 with no IBIS.

So if IBIS is a really big deal for you then you need to either go Nikon Mirrorless full frame (Z6 etc.) or look at M4/3 where I think the Olympus cameras have it or the aps-c Fuji XH-1 which also has it.
 
In this thread, I have thrice offered what I consider to be an obvious truism: when shooting telephoto or macro in low light, some form of stabilization is advantageous. I believe this is particularly true for wildlife and sports photographers for whom a tripod is a clumsy and ineffective solution. The other solution, of course, is to accept a higher ISO or less favorable shutter and/or diaphragm settings.



Apparently, some “real” photographers dispute this idea. Perhaps they are all 27-year-old super athletes, or Zen masters, or the sort of street mime who paints himself or herself gold or silver to emulate a statue. Apparently they are, in a word, inert. Perhaps their subjects are as well.

I am not inert. And I want to shoot birds in flight and bugs up close. Sometimes they move, and I always do. So I appreciate the value of image stabilization, even as I appreciate the value of an umbrella on a clear sunny day. Because it ain’t always clear and sunny.

My appreciation to all who have responded to this thread in a spirit of relevant discourse and information sharing.
 
David Lumsden said:
In this thread, I have thrice offered what I consider to be an obvious truism: when shooting telephoto or macro in low light, some form of stabilization is advantageous. I believe this is particularly true for wildlife and sports photographers for whom a tripod is a clumsy and ineffective solution. The other solution, of course, is to accept a higher ISO or less favorable shutter and/or diaphragm settings.

My appreciation to all who have responded to this thread in a spirit of relevant discourse and information sharing.
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I don't see the absence of IBIS in Z50 being an issue affecting my decision in buying the Z50. The strength of the Z50 is in its portability, hybrid AF, excellent IQ, hot shoe and touch screen, all in a very competitive price package. It is also compatible with all my Nikon lenses.

To me, with the 16-50, the Z50 is about a pocketable APSC with a standard zoom range. Together with the 50-250, the entire package is excellent for light weight travel and for a good range of shooting conditions, including wild life and sports. Both the 16-50 and 50-250 have excellent VR to 4.5 and 5 stops.

My current camera that I carried around all the time is a Coolpix A, the first Nikon APSC mirrorless, which does not any form of VR. I have thousands of excellent images and videos from the CPA, under all kinds of lighting conditions. I just can't see why IBIS, even VR is such a big deal at all, especially for a small pocketable camera. I still consider my CPA the best camera that I ever have.

Yes, those full frame Z lenses can also be used on the Z50. Those lenses doesn't have VR. But the use of those on the Z50 will be my conscious choice, if I ever would do that. They are also big and bulky, defeating the purpose of getting a light weight package.

And also why would I do that, when so many excellent and cheaper F mounted lenses can be used with the FTZ for some of the special and challenging shooting conditions. I would need to accept the extra bulk, one way or another. Then again, how often would I do that. If I do, I probably have the wrong tool for the job anyway.
 
David Lumsden said:
Sacred said:
David Lumsden said:
Mebiuspower said:
No IBIS, THE SKY IS FALLING! How did real photographers survive without it?
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They didn’t shoot telephoto or macro in low light.
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There are no tele or macro lenses available for Z mount at the moment so you don't have to worry about that yet. Plus such photos are most often than not taken on a tripod.
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”Most such photos (telephoto and macro) ...taken on tripod.” Really? Your source?
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The lack of ibis is overblown issue. No dslr has ibis and most dslr lenses lack VR.
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Not more recent lenses. Most modern DSLR lenses do have VR. Why? Because, as you say, no DSLR has IBIS.
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Most Z, FX or DX, telephoto lenses, when they arrive, will have VR because IBIS alone isn't as effective with longer focal lengths. That's one of the reasons IBIS coordinates with VR on lenses that do have it ( currently all F mount, I believe). But it does mean you'll get essentially the same benefit from VR that similar F mount lenses have on cameras that don't have IBIS.
 
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