Ricoh GRIII vs Fuji XF10 My Thoughts

FrankGr said:

@happyass So what do you think now, 7 months later? I too take a lot of family pics indoors, without flash, in low ambient light.

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maltmoose said:

Paul JM said:

telefunk said:

maltmoose said:

Pretty safe to say the GRIII is a better camera than the XF10. I would certainly own xf10 if it were better. I do also own the fuji xe3 so im not biased about fuji or ricoh.

Now, if fuji add the af and features of the ex3/xt30 etc. add image stabilisation of GRIII and make it smaller and lighter and add a better lens that is comparable to some of the lenses you can put on the xe3 or the one in the GRIII...

Then the XF10 will be a better camera...

Its possible maybe in the future with an xf20/30 etc..

but it isnt there yet.

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Fuji sensor shines in low light. Stabilization in GR3 will help a great deal in everyday shooting....

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You want stabilisation in a cheap, wide angle stills camera with only 24 MP? You need to practice holding the camera still

stabilisation is useless in a camera like this

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You have no idea what your talking about.

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Paul JM said:

maltmoose said:

Paul JM said:

telefunk said:

maltmoose said:

Pretty safe to say the GRIII is a better camera than the XF10. I would certainly own xf10 if it were better. I do also own the fuji xe3 so im not biased about fuji or ricoh.

Now, if fuji add the af and features of the ex3/xt30 etc. add image stabilisation of GRIII and make it smaller and lighter and add a better lens that is comparable to some of the lenses you can put on the xe3 or the one in the GRIII...

Then the XF10 will be a better camera...

Its possible maybe in the future with an xf20/30 etc..

but it isnt there yet.

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Fuji sensor shines in low light. Stabilization in GR3 will help a great deal in everyday shooting....

Click to expand...

You want stabilisation in a cheap, wide angle stills camera with only 24 MP? You need to practice holding the camera still

stabilisation is useless in a camera like this

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You have no idea what your talking about.

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I’ve got no idea.

Ok then let me ask you some questions, perhaps answer them for you and then let you think about who has no idea

How many fixed focal length compact cameras, at our about this focal length have IS ? Answer is, only two. One is the GR (which costs about twice the XF 10, which costs 500 not 900 as stated above) and the other is the Sony RX1, which costs 8 times as much as the XF10. Even the Leica Q2, same equivalent focal length, and with 48 MP sensor, doesn’t bother with IS. IS is great for long focal lengths, but if you need it at 28mm FF equiv, you need to treat your tremor. The high ISO performance on the camera with an APSc sensor is great, so if it is dark then just turn up the ISO to get the shutter speed you need

How many prime lenses of this focal length or wider have IS ? Only 1, the Canon 24mm 2.8 IS. So, if you feel the need to use IS at this focal length, you are largely on your own. Perhaps the major manufacturers have no idea as well ?

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maltmoose said:

Paul JM said:

maltmoose said:

Paul JM said:

telefunk said:

maltmoose said:

Pretty safe to say the GRIII is a better camera than the XF10. I would certainly own xf10 if it were better. I do also own the fuji xe3 so im not biased about fuji or ricoh.

Now, if fuji add the af and features of the ex3/xt30 etc. add image stabilisation of GRIII and make it smaller and lighter and add a better lens that is comparable to some of the lenses you can put on the xe3 or the one in the GRIII...

Then the XF10 will be a better camera...

Its possible maybe in the future with an xf20/30 etc..

but it isnt there yet.

Click to expand...

Fuji sensor shines in low light. Stabilization in GR3 will help a great deal in everyday shooting....

Click to expand...

You want stabilisation in a cheap, wide angle stills camera with only 24 MP? You need to practice holding the camera still

stabilisation is useless in a camera like this

Click to expand...

You have no idea what your talking about.

Click to expand...

I’ve got no idea.

Ok then let me ask you some questions, perhaps answer them for you and then let you think about who has no idea

How many fixed focal length compact cameras, at our about this focal length have IS ? Answer is, only two. One is the GR (which costs about twice the XF 10, which costs 500 not 900 as stated above) and the other is the Sony RX1, which costs 8 times as much as the XF10. Even the Leica Q2, same equivalent focal length, and with 48 MP sensor, doesn’t bother with IS. IS is great for long focal lengths, but if you need it at 28mm FF equiv, you need to treat your tremor. The high ISO performance on the camera with an APSc sensor is great, so if it is dark then just turn up the ISO to get the shutter speed you need

How many prime lenses of this focal length or wider have IS ? Only 1, the Canon 24mm 2.8 IS. So, if you feel the need to use IS at this focal length, you are largely on your own. Perhaps the major manufacturers have no idea as well ?

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You seems to be saying that people who use image stabilsation need to treat their tremors..? I'm just hoping this is a bad troll and you dont actually believe the stuff you are saying..

Cant believe i have to point this out but almost all major camera companies have either in body or lens stabilisation that work at all focal lengths. Irrelevant if its a prime or not. Smart phones also have image stabilisation..

They work and are not useless as you claim.

You seem to be ignorant to the fact that you can use lower shutter speeds to achieve lower iso, hence better dynamic range and lower noise. As well as creative uses as one of the other poster above demonstrates with examples which you probably ignored..

Search the forums, theres lots of info and examples of image stabilisation.

hop on over to the m43 forum and explain to them that you think stabilisation is useless...

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maltmoose said:

Paul JM said:

maltmoose said:

Paul JM said:

telefunk said:

maltmoose said:

Pretty safe to say the GRIII is a better camera than the XF10. I would certainly own xf10 if it were better. I do also own the fuji xe3 so im not biased about fuji or ricoh.

Now, if fuji add the af and features of the ex3/xt30 etc. add image stabilisation of GRIII and make it smaller and lighter and add a better lens that is comparable to some of the lenses you can put on the xe3 or the one in the GRIII...

Then the XF10 will be a better camera...

Its possible maybe in the future with an xf20/30 etc..

but it isnt there yet.

Click to expand...

Fuji sensor shines in low light. Stabilization in GR3 will help a great deal in everyday shooting....

Click to expand...

You want stabilisation in a cheap, wide angle stills camera with only 24 MP? You need to practice holding the camera still

stabilisation is useless in a camera like this

Click to expand...

You have no idea what your talking about.

Click to expand...

I’ve got no idea.

Ok then let me ask you some questions, perhaps answer them for you and then let you think about who has no idea

How many fixed focal length compact cameras, at our about this focal length have IS ? Answer is, only two. One is the GR (which costs about twice the XF 10, which costs 500 not 900 as stated above) and the other is the Sony RX1, which costs 8 times as much as the XF10. Even the Leica Q2, same equivalent focal length, and with 48 MP sensor, doesn’t bother with IS. IS is great for long focal lengths, but if you need it at 28mm FF equiv, you need to treat your tremor. The high ISO performance on the camera with an APSc sensor is great, so if it is dark then just turn up the ISO to get the shutter speed you need

How many prime lenses of this focal length or wider have IS ? Only 1, the Canon 24mm 2.8 IS. So, if you feel the need to use IS at this focal length, you are largely on your own. Perhaps the major manufacturers have no idea as well ?

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You seems to be saying that people who use image stabilsation need to treat their tremors..? I'm just hoping this is a bad troll and you dont actually believe the stuff you are saying..

Cant believe i have to point this out but almost all major camera companies have either in body or lens stabilisation that work at all focal lengths. Irrelevant if its a prime or not. Smart phones also have image stabilisation..

They work and are not useless as you claim.

You seem to be ignorant to the fact that you can use lower shutter speeds to achieve lower iso, hence better dynamic range and lower noise. As well as creative uses as one of the other poster above demonstrates with examples which you probably ignored..

Search the forums, theres lots of info and examples of image stabilisation.

hop on over to the m43 forum and explain to them that you think stabilisation is useless...

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MikePennPhoto said:

maltmoose said:

Paul JM said:

maltmoose said:

Paul JM said:

telefunk said:

maltmoose said:

Pretty safe to say the GRIII is a better camera than the XF10. I would certainly own xf10 if it were better. I do also own the fuji xe3 so im not biased about fuji or ricoh.

Now, if fuji add the af and features of the ex3/xt30 etc. add image stabilisation of GRIII and make it smaller and lighter and add a better lens that is comparable to some of the lenses you can put on the xe3 or the one in the GRIII...

Then the XF10 will be a better camera...

Its possible maybe in the future with an xf20/30 etc..

but it isnt there yet.

Click to expand...

Fuji sensor shines in low light. Stabilization in GR3 will help a great deal in everyday shooting....

Click to expand...

You want stabilisation in a cheap, wide angle stills camera with only 24 MP? You need to practice holding the camera still

stabilisation is useless in a camera like this

Click to expand...

You have no idea what your talking about.

Click to expand...

I’ve got no idea.

Ok then let me ask you some questions, perhaps answer them for you and then let you think about who has no idea

How many fixed focal length compact cameras, at our about this focal length have IS ? Answer is, only two. One is the GR (which costs about twice the XF 10, which costs 500 not 900 as stated above) and the other is the Sony RX1, which costs 8 times as much as the XF10. Even the Leica Q2, same equivalent focal length, and with 48 MP sensor, doesn’t bother with IS. IS is great for long focal lengths, but if you need it at 28mm FF equiv, you need to treat your tremor. The high ISO performance on the camera with an APSc sensor is great, so if it is dark then just turn up the ISO to get the shutter speed you need

How many prime lenses of this focal length or wider have IS ? Only 1, the Canon 24mm 2.8 IS. So, if you feel the need to use IS at this focal length, you are largely on your own. Perhaps the major manufacturers have no idea as well ?

Click to expand...

You seems to be saying that people who use image stabilsation need to treat their tremors..? I'm just hoping this is a bad troll and you dont actually believe the stuff you are saying..

Cant believe i have to point this out but almost all major camera companies have either in body or lens stabilisation that work at all focal lengths. Irrelevant if its a prime or not. Smart phones also have image stabilisation..

They work and are not useless as you claim.

You seem to be ignorant to the fact that you can use lower shutter speeds to achieve lower iso, hence better dynamic range and lower noise. As well as creative uses as one of the other poster above demonstrates with examples which you probably ignored..

Search the forums, theres lots of info and examples of image stabilisation.

hop on over to the m43 forum and explain to them that you think stabilisation is useless...

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He's right. If you NEED stabilization you don't know what you're doing. Period !

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www.michaelpennphotography.com

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Paul JM said:

Paul JM said:

If you mostly color take a look at Fuji xq2 . A coworker uses one and autofocus is good and you can get for cheap. Who cares about the smaller sensor.

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You must be joking.

Anyone shooting in low light, or seeking to maximise IQ in a small camera, otherwise why would you buy one of these. You are on the wrong thread mate

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what_i_saw said:

Where is HappyAss? The OP view needs to be posted here.

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