EM5 Mark III vs. EM5 Mark II

Olympus although is very stable in the EM10 and EM1 development is totally unstable in EM5 segment.

They don't give a s....t for their advanced amateur customers.

What is in truth the new EM5 markIII camera, it is a plastic fantastic firework trying to fish some new customers coming from here & there...

It is the their third time that the new model in EM5 category has nothing to do with the previews...

I am sorry Olympus... this time I'll be very hard with you returning your ignorance...
Intriguing. Few arguments are as logically sound and persuasive as "totally unstable", "don't give a s....t", "plastic fantastic firework", "nothing to do with previews", and "returning your ignorance". Yet, you have managed to eloquently wrap so many into so few words.

I don't honestly comprehend your point but, due to your passion, I agree with you wholeheartedly. Let me try:

I wanted PDAF, look at the total trash Olympus gave us.

I wanted 4K/30, Olympus has turned its back on me.

I wanted a 32MP sensor, Olympus totally failed to get Sony or Samsung to produce one.

I wanted the new E-M5 Mark II to cost $300, Olympus completely choked.

Olympus is such a loser, I will "fart in their general direction".
Please let me explain somehow my thoughts.

Off course all the technological improvement of the mark III version over the mark II is fully welcome and for me too in the right direction. Finally a really Better video, with 4K resolution and really high bitrates even for 1080, away better AF, and a newer better..? sensor. All are nice.

For me they killed the BODY, lower quality materials... no vertical GRIP, these two are critical... You don't have to use a super PRO lens in order to need a vertical GRIP, just use the Oly 75/1.8 and for sure you need it. They repeatedly kill the continuance in body design from generation mark I EM5 to EM5 III they change the screen form now the GRIP... these changes are fundamentally though.... These changes really change the user target group...
Thank you. That was insightful. I don't use grips (12-40 on E-M5 II is fine with me) but appreciate that others do. Is a VG coming?

...wait a sec. There is a grip for the E-M5 Mark III but not a battery/grip.
 
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I have owned the E-M5.2 in the past. I have also owned the original E-M5 and the original E-M1. Currently I own the E-M1.2, E-M1X and the Pen F.

The differences between the E-M5.2 and the just announced E-M5.3 are significant. The question are the differences important enough for you to upgrade. Just off the top of my mind the important differences are:

1. The 20 MP sensor instead of the 16MP sensor. The 20 MP sensor gets you at least half a stop improvement in ISO noise and a little more DR.

2. The on sensor Phase Detection for AF is a very noticeable improvement. This makes C-AF and even C-AF with Tracking work. This is the same AF system as in the E-M1X and now the E-M1.2 w/ FW3.1. This makes AF doing movie recording possible. Also for things like birds in flight.

3. The dust removeable is improved with the same ultrasonic system as in the E-M1X. It is better than in the E-M5.2 and E-M1.2

4. Faster general operation including start up time.

5. Better EVF.

6. Pro-Capture.

7. Focus Limiter in FW. It helps improve the speed of the AF.

8. Pre-MF.

9. The faster II SD memory cards to speed up clearing of buffer during high speed bursts and for 4K movie recording.

10. Improved IBIS by about 1 stop.

I am sure there are other improvements but those are the ones that I could think of without a lot of effort.

The E-M5.3 is basically an improved E-M1.2 in a smaller lighter body. You will notice the improvements over the older E-M5.2 just like I notice the improvement when going from my E-M1.2 and my wife's E-M5.2. Now are those improvements worth the cost for you is another question.

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I know there are lots of people here telling it's simple <insert reason>.

It's not really simple at all - you're juggling psychology and practicality and there's no simple algorithm for that. I think the iii looks like a nice incremental upgrade. I don't think it'll be a game-changer for ii owners (of which I am one). I do think that there will be price drops in a few months.

That said, if there's something about the ii that is causing your problems that the iii can fix, it's worth the upgrade price to scratch that itch.
People are having a difficult time following logic
No they aren't. They simply have different opinions

And, to borrow a cliché, logic is often simply a way of being wrong with confidence
do you have the money? Yes? Ok now move on to consider other factors (iq, value perception, features, performance etc etc). Is your evaluation of these factors positive? Yes? Buy it. No? Don’t buy.
How about if your evaluation of other factors is positive, but you have other things you might like to spend them money where the evaluation factors are also positive. And what's the algorithm to rate your positive evaluation of one item against another?

If you don't allow for emotional factors making the decision more complex, you're missing something important.
 
I know there are lots of people here telling it's simple <insert reason>.

It's not really simple at all - you're juggling psychology and practicality and there's no simple algorithm for that. I think the iii looks like a nice incremental upgrade. I don't think it'll be a game-changer for ii owners (of which I am one). I do think that there will be price drops in a few months.

That said, if there's something about the ii that is causing your problems that the iii can fix, it's worth the upgrade price to scratch that itch.
People are having a difficult time following logic
No they aren't. They simply have different opinions

And, to borrow a cliché, logic is often simply a way of being wrong with confidence
do you have the money? Yes? Ok now move on to consider other factors (iq, value perception, features, performance etc etc). Is your evaluation of these factors positive? Yes? Buy it. No? Don’t buy.
How about if your evaluation of other factors is positive, but you have other things you might like to spend them money where the evaluation factors are also positive. And what's the algorithm to rate your positive evaluation of one item against another?

If you don't allow for emotional factors making the decision more complex, you're missing something important.
Logic is not a way of being wrong with confidence. If that is a cliche it is a horrible one.

who is not allowing for emotional factors? Certainly not me. Obviously preference is a factor.

this is weird
 
I know there are lots of people here telling it's simple <insert reason>.

It's not really simple at all - you're juggling psychology and practicality and there's no simple algorithm for that. I think the iii looks like a nice incremental upgrade. I don't think it'll be a game-changer for ii owners (of which I am one). I do think that there will be price drops in a few months.

That said, if there's something about the ii that is causing your problems that the iii can fix, it's worth the upgrade price to scratch that itch.
People are having a difficult time following logic

do you have the money? Yes? Ok now move on to consider other factors (iq, value perception, features, performance etc etc). Is your evaluation of these factors positive? Yes? Buy it. No? Don’t buy.

dont have the money or can’t afford it? Yes? Can’t buy.

money is the initial factor from
Again, I disagree with your assessment, you may consider your post the height of logical progression but its not that simple. Money is a factor, not the be all and end all deciding factor.

It may be your buying process, but one size does not fit all, whether that is illogical or not, is immaterial.
 
I have owned the E-M5.2 in the past. I have also owned the original E-M5 and the original E-M1. Currently I own the E-M1.2, E-M1X and the Pen F.

The differences between the E-M5.2 and the just announced E-M5.3 are significant.
I'm not seeing the improvements as significant. They are welcome, don't get me wrong.

They're catching up to other cameras but they're not leapfrogging anyone. The question for me, is the new features warrant the investment of a new body? I'm kind of thinking at this point, no, but that's just me.

 
I have owned the E-M5.2 in the past. I have also owned the original E-M5 and the original E-M1. Currently I own the E-M1.2, E-M1X and the Pen F.

The differences between the E-M5.2 and the just announced E-M5.3 are significant.
I'm not seeing the improvements as significant. They are welcome, don't get me wrong.

They're catching up to other cameras but they're not leapfrogging anyone. The question for me, is the new features warrant the investment of a new body? I'm kind of thinking at this point, no, but that's just me.
Spend the money on a holiday trip. You will come back with some nice pictures and memories - which you would not have, if you bought the new camera instead.
 
There seems to be a lot of chatter regarding the new EM5 Mark III vs. the EM1. Fair enough, it seems many people here own the EM1. I happen to own the EM5 II and saw that Olympus announced the OMD EM5 III while I was away.

I'd like to get people's opinion on the III over the older II. It seems to me that the III is a small update in some respects. Olympus couldn't (or wouldn't) do too much improvements, lest they cannibalize the EM1.

I like the phase detect AF, and 20MP sensor, but do I need 20MP? I'm seemingly happy with the Mark II and I don't see any major benefit to upgrading other then the AF system. Trade in value for my Mark II body is in the 300 range (kind of sad I guess), and the price of a new body is 1,200, so I'll be out of pocket 900. Am I wrong in seeing nothing earth shattering?
Since it basically parallels the jump from the E-M1 to E-M1ii the improvements of the E-M5ii to E-M5iii are significant and very well worth having. The only outstanding question is whether for roughly the same price, one wouldn't be better off getting the E-M1ii instead.

The 20MP PDAF sensor and TruePic VIII improve everything, from camera responsiveness to image quality to low-light capability.

Cheers,

Rick
I believe it is also important to also consider build quality which will have an impact on how you normally use the Camera, family, vacation, i.e. normal lifestyle vs extremely active and adventurous, hiking in rugged mountains, extream weather conditions, artic, tropical. If the latter then the E-M 1 ii would be the better option.

Lens quality is also a significant factor, i.e. are you likely to acquire or have Olympus Pro Lenses? This would have a significant impact on your decision to purchase the E-M 1ii.

Here you are comparing Diamond to Crystal. The E-M 1, E-M 1ii and E-MX are the only Olympus bodies with their maximum build quality, the E-M 5 line is a notch below.
 
I have owned the E-M5.2 in the past. I have also owned the original E-M5 and the original E-M1. Currently I own the E-M1.2, E-M1X and the Pen F.

The differences between the E-M5.2 and the just announced E-M5.3 are significant.
I'm not seeing the improvements as significant. They are welcome, don't get me wrong.

They're catching up to other cameras but they're not leapfrogging anyone. The question for me, is the new features warrant the investment of a new body? I'm kind of thinking at this point, no, but that's just me.
Spend the money on a holiday trip. You will come back with some nice pictures and memories - which you would not have, if you bought the new camera instead.
Few things:

- Taking into account the EM5 III is a nearly a EM1.2 V3 - its not fireworks but huge

- It does not need to beat the competition its a M43 camera

- For the M43 user looking for an up to date small body the EM5 III is the one

- Should you spend the money? If you have a EM1.2 - NO....if not it will be great....

- Talented photographers / videographers will produce amazing results with the EM5 III

- Normal guys like me will have lots of fun and wow moments with the EM5 III

- The EM5 II will always be an awesome camera - it just was from the start a star....
 
I know there are lots of people here telling it's simple <insert reason>.

It's not really simple at all - you're juggling psychology and practicality and there's no simple algorithm for that. I think the iii looks like a nice incremental upgrade. I don't think it'll be a game-changer for ii owners (of which I am one). I do think that there will be price drops in a few months.

That said, if there's something about the ii that is causing your problems that the iii can fix, it's worth the upgrade price to scratch that itch.
People are having a difficult time following logic

do you have the money? Yes? Ok now move on to consider other factors (iq, value perception, features, performance etc etc). Is your evaluation of these factors positive? Yes? Buy it. No? Don’t buy.

dont have the money or can’t afford it? Yes? Can’t buy.

money is the initial factor from
Again, I disagree with your assessment, you may consider your post the height of logical progression but its not that simple. Money is a factor, not the be all and end all deciding factor.

It may be your buying process, but one size does not fit all, whether that is illogical or not, is immaterial.
Well, I suspect that in the buy/not buy decision process the affordability (money) issue is always the overriding factor.

When the E-M1 X debuted at $3k, it was out of my “affordability” window so there was really no decisions points left to consider. Once the firmware 3.1 added most of the features of the E-M1X to my E-M1 II, I began looking for a possible replacement for my trusty E-M10 II, as companion to my E-M1 II. The E-M5 III is announced and it is well within my affordability window so that decision point is off the table and only than can other things begin to be considered.
 
I have owned the E-M5.2 in the past. I have also owned the original E-M5 and the original E-M1. Currently I own the E-M1.2, E-M1X and the Pen F.

The differences between the E-M5.2 and the just announced E-M5.3 are significant.
I'm not seeing the improvements as significant. They are welcome, don't get me wrong.

They're catching up to other cameras but they're not leapfrogging anyone. The question for me, is the new features warrant the investment of a new body? I'm kind of thinking at this point, no, but that's just me.
Spend the money on a holiday trip. You will come back with some nice pictures and memories - which you would not have, if you bought the new camera instead.
Few things:

- Taking into account the EM5 III is a nearly a EM1.2 V3 - its not fireworks but huge

- It does not need to beat the competition its a M43 camera

- For the M43 user looking for an up to date small body the EM5 III is the one

- Should you spend the money? If you have a EM1.2 - NO....if not it will be great....
If you are considering swapping the E-M1 II for the E-M5 III (assuming you have no issues with the bigger size of the E-M1 II), I agree. But if one is looking for similar performance in a more compact body, like I am, this becomes an obvious choice.
- Talented photographers / videographers will produce amazing results with the EM5 III

- Normal guys like me will have lots of fun and wow moments with the EM5 III

- The EM5 II will always be an awesome camera - it just was from the start a star....
 
I have owned the E-M5.2 in the past. I have also owned the original E-M5 and the original E-M1. Currently I own the E-M1.2, E-M1X and the Pen F.

The differences between the E-M5.2 and the just announced E-M5.3 are significant.
I'm not seeing the improvements as significant. They are welcome, don't get me wrong.

They're catching up to other cameras but they're not leapfrogging anyone. The question for me, is the new features warrant the investment of a new body? I'm kind of thinking at this point, no, but that's just me.
Spend the money on a holiday trip. You will come back with some nice pictures and memories - which you would not have, if you bought the new camera instead.
Few things:

- Taking into account the EM5 III is a nearly a EM1.2 V3 - its not fireworks but huge

- It does not need to beat the competition its a M43 camera

- For the M43 user looking for an up to date small body the EM5 III is the one

- Should you spend the money? If you have a EM1.2 - NO....if not it will be great....
If you are considering swapping the E-M1 II for the E-M5 III (assuming you have no issues with the bigger size of the E-M1 II), I agree. But if one is looking for similar performance in a more compact body, like I am, this becomes an obvious choice.
No no....if you do not have the EM1.2 then the EM5 III will be a great cam if small is what you want....
- Talented photographers / videographers will produce amazing results with the EM5 III

- Normal guys like me will have lots of fun and wow moments with the EM5 III

- The EM5 II will always be an awesome camera - it just was from the start a star....
 
I have owned the E-M5.2 in the past. I have also owned the original E-M5 and the original E-M1. Currently I own the E-M1.2, E-M1X and the Pen F.

The differences between the E-M5.2 and the just announced E-M5.3 are significant.
I'm not seeing the improvements as significant. They are welcome, don't get me wrong.

They're catching up to other cameras but they're not leapfrogging anyone. The question for me, is the new features warrant the investment of a new body? I'm kind of thinking at this point, no, but that's just me.
Spend the money on a holiday trip. You will come back with some nice pictures and memories - which you would not have, if you bought the new camera instead.
Few things:

- Taking into account the EM5 III is a nearly a EM1.2 V3 - its not fireworks but huge

- It does not need to beat the competition its a M43 camera

- For the M43 user looking for an up to date small body the EM5 III is the one

- Should you spend the money? If you have a EM1.2 - NO....if not it will be great....
If you are considering swapping the E-M1 II for the E-M5 III (assuming you have no issues with the bigger size of the E-M1 II), I agree. But if one is looking for similar performance in a more compact body, like I am, this becomes an obvious choice.
No no....if you do not have the EM1.2 then the EM5 III will be a great cam if small is what you want....
I think we are just talking past one another. I am actually in agreement with you.
- Talented photographers / videographers will produce amazing results with the EM5 III

- Normal guys like me will have lots of fun and wow moments with the EM5 III

- The EM5 II will always be an awesome camera - it just was from the start a star....
 
Intriguing. Few arguments are as logically sound and persuasive as "totally unstable", "don't give a s....t", "plastic fantastic firework", "nothing to do with previews", and "returning your ignorance". Yet, you have managed to eloquently wrap so many into so few words.

I don't honestly comprehend your point but, due to your passion, I agree with you wholeheartedly. Let me try:

I wanted PDAF, look at the total trash Olympus gave us.

I wanted 4K/30, Olympus has turned its back on me.

I wanted a 32MP sensor, Olympus totally failed to get Sony or Samsung to produce one.

I wanted the new E-M5 Mark II to cost $300, Olympus completely choked.

Olympus is such a loser, I will "fart in their general direction".
+1 just for the Monty Python reference although the rest was good too.
 
I have owned the E-M5.2 in the past. I have also owned the original E-M5 and the original E-M1. Currently I own the E-M1.2, E-M1X and the Pen F.

The differences between the E-M5.2 and the just announced E-M5.3 are significant.
I'm not seeing the improvements as significant. They are welcome, don't get me wrong.

They're catching up to other cameras but they're not leapfrogging anyone. The question for me, is the new features warrant the investment of a new body? I'm kind of thinking at this point, no, but that's just me.
For me I have owned the E-M5.2 (gave to my wife) and currently own the E-M1.2, E-M1X and the Pen F. If the upcoming E-M5.3 is a E-M1.2 in a smaller body with a few things from the E-M1X then from my experience the difference between the E-M5.2 and the E-M5.3 is significant. Olympus got their mid-level enthusiast level up to the performance level of their pro-level camera. This will mean great image quality, great AF, nearly no waiting for the camera to bootup, very useable EVF, so neat tricks like Live Composite, Live Bulb and Pro-Capture, class leading IBIS, class leading dust removal all in a very small weather sealed body. One shouldn't expect a mid-level camera to leapfrog their pro-level camera. New sensor and new processor will most likely come with the E-M1.3 next year.
 
When the E-M1 II came out, I posted that it's what made me buy the E-M5 II.

So now I can have the E-M1 II features in an E-M5 III, along with some improvements over the E-M5 II that I wanted and some that I didn't expect but will use anyway.

Yes, I preordered it.
 
I have the EM5 Mark II,, and it has been a fine camera... But keep in mind the EM1 MarkII came out 4 years ago, 2016,, so what they did is take 4 year old technology and pack it into a revised EM5,,

The EM1 can be purchased NEW, from several sources for $1190, so why would you get a EM5 when you can get the EM1?? Someday the EM1 Mark III will hit the market place, but for now the EM1 has many advantages, Accessories are available all over the place at relatively Reduced pricing!! Not to mention Used Cameras with wide variety of Accessories and lens.. Apparently even the EM5 mark III does have an optional handle-Grip, but no battery option like the Mark II has..

It is always nice to get a new camera,, but the loss you take on used equipment is substantial. I see lots of Used EM5-II now showing up in eBay for as little at $350 for the body with just 2500 shutter counts..

And we all know that a lot of newer models from other manufacturers have shown up in the last year,, And are rated very good, but other then Panasonic, you would have to give up 4/3 but that might now be a bad move, not me, I am a long time Olympus Fan!! For 2019-2020 24MP sensor appears to be the new standard..

As I stated the 20mp sensor Olympus is using is a 4 year old technology.. The New Olympus X1 is a beauty, but at $3000 and large Body does not resonate with me!! In any case all this is definitely "FUN"!!!!
 
I have the EM5 Mark II,, and it has been a fine camera... But keep in mind the EM1 MarkII came out 4 years ago, 2016,, so what they did is take 4 year old technology and pack it into a revised EM5,,

The EM1 can be purchased NEW, from several sources for $1190, so why would you get a EM5 when you can get the EM1?? Someday the EM1 Mark III will hit the market place, but for now the EM1 has many advantages, Accessories are available all over the place at relatively Reduced pricing!! Not to mention Used Cameras with wide variety of Accessories and lens.. Apparently even the EM5 mark III does have an optional handle-Grip, but no battery option like the Mark II has..

It is always nice to get a new camera,, but the loss you take on used equipment is substantial. I see lots of Used EM5-II now showing up in eBay for as little at $350 for the body with just 2500 shutter counts..

And we all know that a lot of newer models from other manufacturers have shown up in the last year,, And are rated very good, but other then Panasonic, you would have to give up 4/3 but that might now be a bad move, not me, I am a long time Olympus Fan!! For 2019-2020 24MP sensor appears to be the new standard..

As I stated the 20mp sensor Olympus is using is a 4 year old technology.. The New Olympus X1 is a beauty, but at $3000 and large Body does not resonate with me!! In any case all this is definitely "FUN"!!!!
Three years, one month since E-M1ii was announced, they shipped late that year I think.

So yeah, not new but not ancient by sensor standards, given they don't change nearly as quickly as some seem to believe. e.g., how many years have we been able to buy the 16MP family?

Cheers,

Rick
 

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