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MikePennPhoto
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Some of the more interesting photos on the forum.Skewed data... What I'm seeing:
I think it's going quite well, despite <un>popular belief. (Make that 15 for me...)
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Paulmorgan
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What happened to Old Ricoh User ?Some of the more interesting photos on the forum.Skewed data... What I'm seeing:
I think it's going quite well, despite <un>popular belief. (Make that 15 for me...)
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Ants Mani
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Changed his spots to MikePennPhotoWhat happened to Old Ricoh User ?Some of the more interesting photos on the forum.Skewed data... What I'm seeing:
I think it's going quite well, despite <un>popular belief. (Make that 15 for me...)
Scott
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I hope, the moderator does not ban anyone, except for the multiple accounts (I did this sin without realizing what I was doing and the moderator was nice enough to tell me which one to quash); let the forum ignore if they wish but why ban anyone?
What does it say about us when we want to ban someone?
What does it say about us when we want to ban someone?
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Banning, at least for me, is the last resort measure, when all the negotiations have been exhausted and the offender insists on blatantly breaking the forum rules. I don't use it very often, at least the permanent ban. I think I can count on the fingers of one hand the number of people that I've banned since I started moderating some 8 years ago. And they all were very well deserved bans.
Although, I use temp banning as a final warning, and usually offenders react positively to a temp ban. At least temporarily (pun intended), but it usually gives the person 7 days to think about their behavior, and usually comes back knowing what could happen next, and start behaving again.
Martin, I hope things go well for you. I think one of the key reasons that there's been problems on this forum is that there sometimes is a difference of opinion of what is "street photography". If all society photos were included or street photography was defined on this forum, then there might be less arguments. Society photos would be defined (by my simple definition) lawful photos of people in public. There have been some definitions of "street photography" on the internet that describe that in simple terms but for some people it appears to be not enough if it's not on or near a street. So, pictures of people on farms, hiking trails, parks, boats, lakes, rivers, beaches etc. can become excluded. Also a number of people may compare themselves to street photographers that may have taken photos say 60 years ago or so and adhere to the way those photos were taken without telephoto lenses or not in color etc. That's been my observation from what I've seen on this forum for years. Some of my best photos of people in a public place have been with telephoto lenses, if I have an excellent background. It takes skill to know how to use it properly to avoid distracting elements etc.
I have host pictures on another forum for somewhere close to five years (I can't remember exactly when I started it without checking). We virtually have no arguments, I think largely because we don't have limits on what kinds of photos we take (as long as we follow the Dpreview rules). It's on the Canon Rebel forum. After a while, we decided to open the forum weekly thread to non Canon Rebel DSLR users, again to become more inclusive. When I started it, I wanted everyone to feel welcome, whether they were beginners with snaps or experts with phenomenal photos. We can all share and help each other that way.
I didn't spend the time to fully define society or street photography in this short message to you, but only tried to make a point so things go smoother on this forum for you and everyone. It would be up to you and others to expand upon this idea and see if it works in a positive manner. I hope that helps.
I have host pictures on another forum for somewhere close to five years (I can't remember exactly when I started it without checking). We virtually have no arguments, I think largely because we don't have limits on what kinds of photos we take (as long as we follow the Dpreview rules). It's on the Canon Rebel forum. After a while, we decided to open the forum weekly thread to non Canon Rebel DSLR users, again to become more inclusive. When I started it, I wanted everyone to feel welcome, whether they were beginners with snaps or experts with phenomenal photos. We can all share and help each other that way.
I didn't spend the time to fully define society or street photography in this short message to you, but only tried to make a point so things go smoother on this forum for you and everyone. It would be up to you and others to expand upon this idea and see if it works in a positive manner. I hope that helps.
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Well, that's a great idea. Although I believe that it requires a little bit of humility to achieve such a cool forum environment. Right now this forum is a bit injured, mostly because of years of non-moderation.
One of the members PM'd me a couple of days ago complaining about forum behavior and, between phrases, he said that he hoped that I won't be the end of the life of this forum. And I replied that, if the life that you say includes all the nastiness, arrogance, insults and generalized trolling that you have described, then is a life worth ending, and a new life should emerge, calmer, more relaxed, more inclusive and above all more fun.
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“Society Photography”? Never heard of it. Can you elaborate?
Street Photography is a real genre, albeit difficult to define. Street photographers know what it is. It certainly is different from documentary photography, and DPR should separate the two genres to lessen confusion about it, and perhaps result in less conflict.
That said, street photography is more personal, metaphoric and figurative than other representational genres like landscape or wildlife, hence street photography forums tend to be a bit more messy and lively - like real life.
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You can find people talking about street photography as a "mirror to society". Just do a search. Our society can be found all over the world in streets or away from streets. There's other references about that by doing further internet searches.
If no single person has mentioned that term specifically, then I'll be first to propose society photography that includes taking pictures of people in public places anywhere in the world (not just the streets). You all should expand upon it, if you think it's a good idea.
I'm only visiting this forum to help you all. I keep plenty busy on the other forum where we do have fun and welcome all levels of photography. Also I think documentary photography could be defined on this forum also. There had been discussions on that previously with different opinions about what that included.
Think about all the photos that I've taken of people hiking up and down Beacon Rock or near Multnomah Falls along the Columbia River...or all the people along Short Sand Beach in the coast of Oregon and of dozens of other areas in Oregon that I frequent. For those that would want to exclude those types of pictures because you think they are not street photography, you'll have to come to the Rebel forum to see them. Yesterday, I took pictures of people racing in giant pumpkins. For the street photography "purist" who insists that they are not "street" and therefore not street photography, again you'll have to see my photos on the other forum where we do not argue about terminology.
But if you all on this forum encouraged all types of pictures of people in our societies in public everywhere, then I might change and show a few photos here myself. On this forum you all also might have greater participation from a lot more photographers, more variety, and hopefully more fun.
I'm glad to hear about the increased moderation and I hope you all support Martin in his efforts to make this a better place.
If no single person has mentioned that term specifically, then I'll be first to propose society photography that includes taking pictures of people in public places anywhere in the world (not just the streets). You all should expand upon it, if you think it's a good idea.
I'm only visiting this forum to help you all. I keep plenty busy on the other forum where we do have fun and welcome all levels of photography. Also I think documentary photography could be defined on this forum also. There had been discussions on that previously with different opinions about what that included.
Think about all the photos that I've taken of people hiking up and down Beacon Rock or near Multnomah Falls along the Columbia River...or all the people along Short Sand Beach in the coast of Oregon and of dozens of other areas in Oregon that I frequent. For those that would want to exclude those types of pictures because you think they are not street photography, you'll have to come to the Rebel forum to see them. Yesterday, I took pictures of people racing in giant pumpkins. For the street photography "purist" who insists that they are not "street" and therefore not street photography, again you'll have to see my photos on the other forum where we do not argue about terminology.
But if you all on this forum encouraged all types of pictures of people in our societies in public everywhere, then I might change and show a few photos here myself. On this forum you all also might have greater participation from a lot more photographers, more variety, and hopefully more fun.
I'm glad to hear about the increased moderation and I hope you all support Martin in his efforts to make this a better place.
MikePennPhoto
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I don't know why it's so important to some photographers that they be called "street photographers". But we do know that if some "street photographers" insist that the pictures be taken on or adjacent to the streets, it does limit the types of photos. It's also contrary to Wikipedia's definition.
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LOL Life according to wikipedia site .........the writers selfie
The term is endeared by those that wish to belong to a mob, a clan, its about identity and sharing similar goals with others.
Its more about process and activity than the results.... Hey lets go out and shoot some street stuff and off they go with grins on their faces freewheeling in the streets interacting and having a great time.
Others just don’t get it so they complain
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Just out of interests sake I wonder if a moderator’s thread has ever been locked if it got out of control. 
Well, that's got to tell you about the kind of moderation you can expect from me. I'm a very easy going person, but people tend to underestimate my ability to manage things in a friendly and open manner and tag me as the ogre moderator that I'm far from being. Some others try to play my soft side, trying to mold me to their agenda, but I'm also not stupid.Just out of interests sake I wonder if a moderator’s thread has ever been locked if it got out of control.
I told you earlier in this thread. You can count on me to make this a much better place than it has been in the past.
Scott Vail
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An interesting post that might be appropriate to share.
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There's an entire thread, but the point is, "mirror to society" and "society photography" isn't a new concept. Digirame presented this when I inadvertently waded in at the deep end of the pool. I had no idea what might lie ahead, but if knew then, what I didn't know now, I'd never have started the thread in the above link.
I appreciated this support, along with others who presented similar viewpoints. But at some point, I apologized to the forum for the few that made this an extremely unpleasant experience.
Scott
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In all my years I have never heard street photography defined as being limited to photos on the street. Do you have a source for that?
When this forum was healthier, we said that street photographer could be considered to be candid photos of people in places open to the public. But with a reasonable amount of leeway.
There are other, more sophisticated questions about what constitutes street photography, but this is not the time or the place to have that discussion.
When this forum was healthier, we said that street photographer could be considered to be candid photos of people in places open to the public. But with a reasonable amount of leeway.
There are other, more sophisticated questions about what constitutes street photography, but this is not the time or the place to have that discussion.
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