Come on Nikon. where are D2X

Nader, nobody forces you into a Nikon dedicated forum. If you're not happy with the Nikon cameras why aren't you in any other forum (minolta or canon)? What are you telling us? You got a lemon F5, I'm sorry about that but before bashing this company please do your homework on the other forums and count other lemons built by other companies. Some of the lemons are double the price you paid for your camera (i.e. F5)

No matter how sad (or true) your history is, what are you doing is named camera/company bashing and is forbidden by the site owner.
Nikon is not better nor worse than any other camera making company.

For each user refusing to understand that modern factories do produce some lemons there is an army of trolls going instantly "see, I've told you Nikon that and Canon there!"

Keep this in mind and please respect the option of other forum members who come here to read about Nikon equipment (not marketing) and don't want to be told all day long "how bad a company is Nikon".
Thank you for understanding.

Nader Bishara said:

AdWiser said:

Let this be your last post here. Nikon doesn't deserve such a
valuable poster as you on a Nikon dedicated forum. Please watch the
door on your way out.
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regards,
AdWiser

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What's up Ad are you telling me to leave ;-(

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regards,
AdWiser

Hi Erika

Erika said:

Everyone should be allowed to express an opinion
even if it hurts our loyalists sentimentalities.

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should be if respects the rules of this site. About your opinion on banning the "troll" term, you should contact the site owner (no pun intended).

This is not a "who is better" between Canon and Nikon. This is about people who come here for reading and learning about actual equipment and people who come here to do some sort of fortune telling. This is also about a whole "marketing team from Canon" (I hope this is politically correct enough) who became this forum aficinados bashing Nikon as camera system and/or company.

We are not mentally challenged and if we want to read anything about Canon we can surely use the mouse and click on any of the numerous Canon forums. As you see this between people who stick to the rules and those who don't give a rat about any rules. Definitely this not about expressing opinions but about respect (and the lack of it).
Thank you for understanding!

Sometimes I think

Erika said:

that the people who get so darned hot headed must be married into a
CEO of either Canon or Nikon's reigning families! While I am airing
out my grievence, I REALLY think the term TROLL should be outllawed
on this entire site. It's an ugly term to use and all it does it
show the extreme immaturity (and narrow mindedness!) of those who
use it. This should not be a mud slinging web site, but rather a
serious web site for the persuit of knowledge concerning all that's
digital.
It becomes increasing tedious to read through forums where everyone
is pouncing on every one else's back.

Brian Li said:

AdWiser said:

Let this be your last post here. Nikon doesn't deserve such a
valuable poster as you on a Nikon dedicated forum. Please watch the
door on your way out.
--
regards,
AdWiser

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Erika Lemberger

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regards,
AdWiser

Bill Dewey said:

Actually, I speak American, which many in the world claim isn't
English anyway .

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It's me. I do not speak nor American, nor English, plus my ATL is out of order 2 days after maintenance, ruining several 220 rolls.

Staying with Nikon equipment for the second generation, I know many names from the list at:

http://www.nikon.co.jp/main/eng/portfolio/ir/2003/news/1001_e.htm

All the key stuff is in order. Also I remember much heavier losses, and with less favorable yen-to-dollar exchange rate. R&D spending meanwhile is going up.

http://www.nikon.co.jp/main/eng/portfolio/ir/2003/ar/03annual_e06.pdf

Yes, I do understand you, but I think that one should be permitted to compare the merits of one brand to another on any which forum. I see nothing inherently wrong is stating for instance that Canon's autofocus is faster or that Nikon exposure system is superior to canons. One should be able to get on forums and discuss those comparisons with others. Many of us own more then one brand of camera and would like to be able to focus in on the strengths and weaknesses of other's when contemplating a next purchase. There is no more helpful way to do so then to speak to people who have tried both or multiple systems. That's why I like to pursue information on sites like this one. If I wanted to hear one sided bias I could go to Nikon's or Canon's web site and read the pages of accolades about their camera in comparison with everyone else's.

Since I mention this it has always totally amused me that you get these gorgeous brochures with pages of all the miraculous improvements and enhancements (telling you just how perfect the new camera is). So you get all impressed and excited etc etc. Then 2 years down the line you get the next gorgeous brochure telling you how how Super Model X is just IT. New, improved, perfected evolutionalized blah blah, and then you begin to think, if the other one was so perfect what was there to improve upon?! Did that thought ever occur to you?

So at least if you speak to owner's of various camera's you get a much better tool for comparison. I can't get that on any one forum just be being a Nikon or Canon owner and that's why many times I have seem people write that seemed to me sincere enough, and then get stoned on either this or the other forums. That's self destructive. How can anyone gain by that?

Now when people start talking about politics or gripping about logo changes (on this site) now that bores the hair off my head.

AdWiser said:

AdWiser88638 said:

Everyone should be allowed to express an opinion
even if it hurts our loyalists sentimentalities.

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should be if respects the rules of this site. About your opinion
on banning the "troll" term, you should contact the site owner (no
pun intended).
This is not a "who is better" between Canon and Nikon. This is
about people who come here for reading and learning about actual
equipment and people who come here to do some sort of fortune
telling. This is also about a whole "marketing team from Canon" (I
hope this is politically correct enough) who became this forum
aficinados bashing Nikon as camera system and/or company.
We are not mentally challenged and if we want to read anything
about Canon we can surely use the mouse and click on any of the
numerous Canon forums. As you see this between people who stick
to the rules and those who don't give a rat about any rules.
Definitely this not about expressing opinions but about respect
(and the lack of it).
Thank you for understanding!

Sometimes I think

AdWiser88638 said:

that the people who get so darned hot headed must be married into a
CEO of either Canon or Nikon's reigning families! While I am airing
out my grievence, I REALLY think the term TROLL should be outllawed
on this entire site. It's an ugly term to use and all it does it
show the extreme immaturity (and narrow mindedness!) of those who
use it. This should not be a mud slinging web site, but rather a
serious web site for the persuit of knowledge concerning all that's
digital.
It becomes increasing tedious to read through forums where everyone
is pouncing on every one else's back.

Brian Li said:

AdWiser said:

Let this be your last post here. Nikon doesn't deserve such a
valuable poster as you on a Nikon dedicated forum. Please watch the
door on your way out.
--
regards,
AdWiser

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Erika Lemberger

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regards,
AdWiser

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Erika Lemberger

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Hello Erika

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I provided them with a bill of sale and they still refused to repair A nikon camera, even though i was willing to pay a whopping $500 (excessive by all standards). What can I tell you

I'm sorry your camera shot craps but if you buy grey you take your risks. Personally I would never buy grey on anything over 300 dollars or so.

Nader Bishara said:

Erika said:

Hello Erika

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I provided them with a bill of sale and they still refused to
repair A nikon camera, even though i was willing to pay a whopping
$500 (excessive by all standards). What can I tell you

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Hi Erika

Erika said:

Yes, I do understand you, but I think that one should be permitted
to compare the merits of one brand to another on any which forum. I
see nothing inherently wrong is stating for instance that Canon's
autofocus is faster or that Nikon exposure system is superior to
canons.

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Read my lips: flame wars! Actually there is a legion of users here or elsewhere who would furiously contradict you on the above statement.

Therefore the convention says all opinions on a specific brand camera goes to its dedicated forum. Also the convention says that those interested in camera comparisons should stand satisfied by the comparisons made by this site owner.

I would admit that there are other more peacefull websites/forums on which Canon/Nikon users have that sort of disscusions you are longing about. Pitifully dpreview isn't one of those.

Also you have to admit that postings like those "ultimatums" in which Nikon is "ordered" to hurry up with some specific camera model are pure rubbish.

I'd like to point each user disgruntled by Nikon's timeline an rythm of production that the only honest way to change that is to buy the company (Nikon) or became a major shareholder. No offense folks but enough is enough!
Thank you for your attention.

One should be able to get on forums and discuss those

Erika said:

comparisons with others. Many of us own more then one brand of
camera and would like to be able to focus in on the strengths and
weaknesses of other's when contemplating a next purchase. There is
no more helpful way to do so then to speak to people who have tried
both or multiple systems. That's why I like to pursue information
on sites like this one. If I wanted to hear one sided bias I could
go to Nikon's or Canon's web site and read the pages of accolades
about their camera in comparison with everyone else's.
Since I mention this it has always totally amused me that you get
these gorgeous brochures with pages of all the miraculous
improvements and enhancements (telling you just how perfect the new
camera is). So you get all impressed and excited etc etc. Then 2
years down the line you get the next gorgeous brochure telling you
how how Super Model X is just IT. New, improved, perfected
evolutionalized blah blah, and then you begin to think, if the
other one was so perfect what was there to improve upon?! Did that
thought ever occur to you?

So at least if you speak to owner's of various camera's you get a
much better tool for comparison. I can't get that on any one forum
just be being a Nikon or Canon owner and that's why many times I
have seem people write that seemed to me sincere enough, and then
get stoned on either this or the other forums. That's self
destructive. How can anyone gain by that?
Now when people start talking about politics or gripping about logo
changes (on this site) now that bores the hair off my head.

AdWiser said:

Erika said:

Everyone should be allowed to express an opinion
even if it hurts our loyalists sentimentalities.

Click to expand...

should be if respects the rules of this site. About your opinion
on banning the "troll" term, you should contact the site owner (no
pun intended).
This is not a "who is better" between Canon and Nikon. This is
about people who come here for reading and learning about actual
equipment and people who come here to do some sort of fortune
telling. This is also about a whole "marketing team from Canon" (I
hope this is politically correct enough) who became this forum
aficinados bashing Nikon as camera system and/or company.
We are not mentally challenged and if we want to read anything
about Canon we can surely use the mouse and click on any of the
numerous Canon forums. As you see this between people who stick
to the rules and those who don't give a rat about any rules.
Definitely this not about expressing opinions but about respect
(and the lack of it).
Thank you for understanding!

Sometimes I think

Erika said:

that the people who get so darned hot headed must be married into a
CEO of either Canon or Nikon's reigning families! While I am airing
out my grievence, I REALLY think the term TROLL should be outllawed
on this entire site. It's an ugly term to use and all it does it
show the extreme immaturity (and narrow mindedness!) of those who
use it. This should not be a mud slinging web site, but rather a
serious web site for the persuit of knowledge concerning all that's
digital.
It becomes increasing tedious to read through forums where everyone
is pouncing on every one else's back.

Brian Li said:

AdWiser said:

Let this be your last post here. Nikon doesn't deserve such a
valuable poster as you on a Nikon dedicated forum. Please watch the
door on your way out.
--
regards,
AdWiser

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--
Erika Lemberger

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regards,
AdWiser

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Erika Lemberger

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regards,
AdWiser

I used Nikon for over 25 years and bought Canon two years ago, I still own Nikon because I found the Canon system is inferior in some way.

Yes, Nikon is a bit slow and Canon is agressive in releasing new products, but often with flaws like the 10D AF issue (the EOS 1V also not that accurate as the Nikon F100). After careful test, I conclude that the Canon AF is not that as accurate as many people think.

If MR want to switch, please go without hesitation.

Canon has advantage in the lond lens but their wide angles are so so quality, overly saturated colour and not sharp enough. The 45 points AF is a gimmick, when you activate 45 points AI servo, it just can't track fast moving cars. The low light AF ability is just poor.

Tony B. said:

Mikael Risedal said:

Absolutely nothing of any value.

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Olymbus 3030, Nikon 995, Canon G2
Radio call sign VR2XEE
Handheld ham transceiver - Yaesu VX-5

Jon Petrovski said:

I'm sorry your camera shot craps but if you buy grey you take your
risks. Personally I would never buy grey on anything over 300
dollars or so.

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I was living outside the USA. How could I buy a USA product. My D100 is USA not grey but my f5 is not. I lived in the Emirates. Should I order a USA product from the Emirates ?????????

I suppose is you send it to the UAE Nikon might repair it for your there. I still don't have much sympathy for you or your dissatisfaction.

Nader Bishara said:

Jon Petrovski said:

I'm sorry your camera shot craps but if you buy grey you take your
risks. Personally I would never buy grey on anything over 300
dollars or so.

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I was living outside the USA. How could I buy a USA product. My
D100 is USA not grey but my f5 is not. I lived in the Emirates.
Should I order a USA product from the Emirates ?????????

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This adwiser guy has such a great attitude. Too bad more people on this forum don't have the same. In reality, I believe many that read this forum are trying to gain more knowledge on how to use their Nikon equipment and are turned off by such retoric. I have never owned a Canon camera, but one would have to be blind not to admit something is wrong with Nikon's Digital program. I often read post that those with D100's should stop worrying about megapixals and take good pics. To some degree that is true, but for me (an art publisher) I need more. I just spent 3 hours stiching together pics of an oil painting just to get the size needed to print a 24x30. So for me, yes, I want more megapixals! The 14n could be my answer but like many I am waiting (the emphasis on the waiting part) for a Nikon that can do the job. Am I frustrated by Nikon lethargy: Yes!

This adwiser guy has such a great attitude. Too bad more people on this forum don't have the same. In reality, I believe many that read this forum are trying to gain more knowledge on how to use their Nikon equipment and are turned off by such retoric. I have never owned a Canon camera, but one would have to be blind not to admit something is wrong with Nikon's Digital program. I often read post that those with D100's should stop worrying about megapixals and take good pics. To some degree that is true, but for me (an art publisher) I need more. I just spent 3 hours stiching together pics of an oil painting just to get the size needed to print a 24x30. So for me, yes, I want more megapixals! The 14n could be my answer but like many I am waiting (the emphasis on the waiting part) for a Nikon that can do the job. Am I frustrated by Nikon lethargy: Yes!

John Beard said:

I just spent 3 hours
stiching together pics of an oil painting just to get the size
needed to print a 24x30. So for me, yes, I want more megapixals!
The 14n could be my answer but like many I am waiting (the emphasis
on the waiting part) for a Nikon that can do the job. Am I
frustrated by Nikon lethargy: Yes!

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It's about 7315x9144 pixels? At least I need 304.8dpi for minimum 175lpi for art publishing. I'm afraid 14n is not enough for this. Even at Kodak recommendation of 192dpi for 150lpi it is still 4608x5760, more than 26Mpix of true resolution. And not all the artpieces are 2:3...

14 mega pixels won't give me all the resolution I need, understood. But it's better than the D100. My HP designjet can only use 150dpi so it would be acceptable.

John Beard said:

14 mega pixels won't give me all the resolution I need, understood.
But it's better than the D100. My HP designjet can only use 150dpi
so it would be acceptable.

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6 years ago I was doing this kind of things with an old Leaf scanner, Lumina (actually a copystand scanner), using Nikkor lenses. 3 years ago it was possible to find it factory refurbished for about $3000.

a person's religion to a zealot. Why bother?

Iliah, in all seriousness, your English is very very good. I have no trouble whatsoever in understanding you, and again I thank you for the link. My comments vis-a-vis American vs. English was a rather poor attempt at a joke .

By the way, I just looked at the link that Sotare sent regarding these huge management changes at Nikon. Actually, I read that 5 minutes ago, and I have just gotten back up off the floor after laughing many things off. This is a reason to be worried? I am in the software industry, and most companies I have worked for that have more than a few hundred employees have changes like that every 6 to 8 months. I see one major change at the executive level. I guess my problem is that I just don't look for excuses hard enough .

I think you are absolutely correct in your estimation that things are fine at Nikon. Those that wish to believe otherwise will read much more into this than is there. I'm just glad that Sotare doesn't look at Boeing these days, he would be sure that the entire economy of the state I live in, Washington, is about to go down the toilet .

Thanks again, Iliah, for bring some rational information to this part of the thread.

Iliah Borg said:

Bill Dewey said:

Actually, I speak American, which many in the world claim isn't
English anyway .

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It's me. I do not speak nor American, nor English, plus my ATL is
out of order 2 days after maintenance, ruining several 220 rolls.

Staying with Nikon equipment for the second generation, I know many
names from the list at:

http://www.nikon.co.jp/main/eng/portfolio/ir/2003/news/1001_e.htm

All the key stuff is in order. Also I remember much heavier losses,
and with less favorable yen-to-dollar exchange rate. R&D spending
meanwhile is going up.

http://www.nikon.co.jp/main/eng/portfolio/ir/2003/ar/03annual_e06.pdf

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http://www.deweydrive.com

Perhaps you assume that because they list all the executives and directors that means they are all new, eh?

Perhaps you missed the part that says:

"In accordance with these changes, the following executive officer adjustments have been made"

Under this heading is 1, exactly 1, change. This section is then ended with a horizontal line.

Oh, wait, I guess this means that ALL of Nikon only has one executive.

And you think I can't read English.........

Sotare said:

Bill Dewey said:

My bad for not looking for the English link on the site, thanks for
passing it along. I do see the imaging bits up 200%, which doesn't
seem like the end of the world to me, but I couldn't find the part
that talks about changing all the management on October 1st. Can
someone please point my blind eyes to that information? I also
notice that the link you provide shows this report as of May 27,
2003.

Thanks for the pointer, Iliah, much appreciated.

Iliah Borg said:

Bill Dewey said:

I guess it is just that I don't speak Japanese, but what the heck
are you talking about?

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And some do not speak English ), but it seems as nothing new.
Steppers down, digital 200% up
http://www.nikon.co.jp/main/eng/portfolio/ir/coo.htm

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Mikael Risedal said:

Something must happen now. I know lot of photographers including
myself who are discussing to leave Nikon and buy Canon.
Give us a hint that something is going on
Mikael Risedal

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I suppose that all of your Nikon equipment has turned to jelly and no longer takes photographs. That must be the reason you need it so badly.

I thought that photographs didn't care what kind of equipment took them but I must be mistaken. Either that, or all of the DSLR photographers have become more equipment envious than PC and Mac computer owners. This is patently silly. It just goes to show that "the latest and the greatest" still rules.

My Nikon F2 is still the best camera I've ever owned. And probably always will be. And it will still be working long after your DSLR's (Canon or Nikon) have lost their batteries.

I, of course, am not privvy to the business agreements between Nikon, Fuji, and Kodak, but I think the chances are very, very slim that Nikon would ever make a legal contract that restricts their right to develop any kind of professional digital SLR camera. It's implausible for business reasons, and it doesn't fit the Nikon "personality", if I can use that term about a corporation.

JJGP said:

In 1999 when Nikon released the D1x (or there abouts) they also
released the D1h at about the same time frame. So, it is
reasonable to assume that Nikon will release a "D2x" shortly.
However, Nikon has a partnership with Fuji and Kodak. So, who
knows what kind of wherefores & whereas'es they've got written up
between the three. Perhaps the fine print between these three says
that Nikon cannot release a high rez camera till the end of
2003....and perhaps Nikon can release a PJ high speed camera now,
since Fuji & Kodak aren't presently producing/marketing one. Nikon
IMO is a company that can stand on their own two feet, however,
they must be making a good buck with its Fudak partnership...so
Nikon would not want to do anything stupid to break this
partnership.
jules

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