What's more complicated - cars or photography?

pcunnin · Oct 3, 2019

I spoke to a gentleman a few months ago who claimed that "photography is more difficult and complicated than restoring an old car". He was into restoring cars, and claimed that cars were fairly simple machines, and that all the effort and intricacies that went into photography, including postprocessing, were far more complicated than cars.

Is it true?

Sometimes, the more I learn about photography I find that a lot of stuff I learned before was "fudging it" and that going more deeply into it really draws out the intricacies in the knowledge and know-how of it.

Thoughts?

stevo23 · Oct 5, 2019

Dave_Good said:
It all depends. I have been around both for most of my life, my father got me into cars at a young age and my best friend's father was a pro working for the CBC (Toronto, Montreal) who used to let us "help" in the darkroom. We were probably eight or nine years old. I also spent six years restoring a Barracuda in my garage, that was difficult but rewarding. My answer then would be both....neither.....depends on where your talents lie.

You know of Nick's Garage?

pcunnin · Oct 5, 2019

Don't forget flash and lighting - that adds a whole nother level of complexity. I just started using flash on an old minolta film camera today, and it's been bugging the hell out of me! Extremely complicated until I just putting everything into total automatic mode (haha).

Dave_Good · Oct 6, 2019

LoneTree1 said:
Shouldn't post pictures of great cars like that 'Cuda. Reminds people how mushy-looking and boring many cars are today.

Apologies:-D The newer ones are so much nicer to drive though.

Balanced/blueprinted 340 w/284 cam, Holley 600 dp, 3000 stall, and four drum brakes! Scary.

Dave_Good · Oct 6, 2019

Not until now, thanks. Speedy's Garage has a lot of interesting articles.

57even · Oct 6, 2019

Dave_Good said:
LoneTree1 said:

Shouldn't post pictures of great cars like that 'Cuda. Reminds people how mushy-looking and boring many cars are today.

Click to expand...

Apologies:-D The newer ones are so much nicer to drive though.

Yeah, but they don't give you the same sense of achievement - or the cool factor.

Any idiot can drive fast in some new fast saloons, which only means they get into trouble a lot faster. I appreciate traction control when I'm driving on snow, but it's hopeless for deliberate tail-out hooliganism ;-)

stevo23 · Oct 6, 2019

Dave_Good said:
Not until now, thanks. Speedy's Garage has a lot of interesting articles.

Will be sure to look that up.

Dave_Good · Oct 6, 2019

57even said:
Yeah, but they don't give you the same sense of achievement - or the cool factor.

Any idiot can drive fast in some new fast saloons, which only means they get into trouble a lot faster. I appreciate traction control when I'm driving on snow, but it's hopeless for deliberate tail-out hooliganism ;-)

I agree, the traction nanny is the first thing I disable after firing the Hemi up. The Mustang folks are having quite a few disastrous spin outs when attempting to do a burn out due to the nanny over-correcting. I drive like an old fart now according to my wife but there are times when you just gotta get the lead out.

Apologies to the op for hijacking this thread.

stevo23 · Oct 6, 2019

Dave_Good said:
57even said:

Yeah, but they don't give you the same sense of achievement - or the cool factor.

Any idiot can drive fast in some new fast saloons, which only means they get into trouble a lot faster. I appreciate traction control when I'm driving on snow, but it's hopeless for deliberate tail-out hooliganism ;-)

Click to expand...

I agree, the traction nanny is the first thing I disable after firing the Hemi up. The Mustang folks are having quite a few disastrous spin outs when attempting to do a burn out due to the nanny over-correcting.

How is that?

Dave_Good said:
I drive like an old fart now according to my wife but there are times when you just gotta get the lead out.

Apologies to the op for hijacking this thread.

Mackiesback · Oct 6, 2019

Dave_Good said:
57even said:

Yeah, but they don't give you the same sense of achievement - or the cool factor.

Any idiot can drive fast in some new fast saloons, which only means they get into trouble a lot faster. I appreciate traction control when I'm driving on snow, but it's hopeless for deliberate tail-out hooliganism ;-)

Click to expand...

I agree, the traction nanny is the first thing I disable after firing the Hemi up. The Mustang folks are having quite a few disastrous spin outs when attempting to do a burn out due to the nanny over-correcting. I drive like an old fart now according to my wife but there are times when you just gotta get the lead out.

Apologies to the op for hijacking this thread.

I was assuming those drivers just ran out of talent.

Dave_Good · Oct 7, 2019

stevo23 said:
Dave_Good said:

57even said:

Yeah, but they don't give you the same sense of achievement - or the cool factor.

Any idiot can drive fast in some new fast saloons, which only means they get into trouble a lot faster. I appreciate traction control when I'm driving on snow, but it's hopeless for deliberate tail-out hooliganism ;-)

Click to expand...

I agree, the traction nanny is the first thing I disable after firing the Hemi up. The Mustang folks are having quite a few disastrous spin outs when attempting to do a burn out due to the nanny over-correcting.

Click to expand...

How is that?

I have seen videos of 'Stangs leaving shows and loosing control that were attributed to traction control issues, I could have just been sucked into believing it though.

Fact is all the high powered rear wheel drive vehicles can break loose easily with traction control (partially) off, it comes down to the driver and their knowledge of how their car handles.

Mackiesback · Oct 7, 2019

Dave_Good said:
stevo23 said:

Dave_Good said:

57even said:

Yeah, but they don't give you the same sense of achievement - or the cool factor.

Any idiot can drive fast in some new fast saloons, which only means they get into trouble a lot faster. I appreciate traction control when I'm driving on snow, but it's hopeless for deliberate tail-out hooliganism ;-)

Click to expand...

I agree, the traction nanny is the first thing I disable after firing the Hemi up. The Mustang folks are having quite a few disastrous spin outs when attempting to do a burn out due to the nanny over-correcting.

Click to expand...

How is that?

Click to expand...

I have seen videos of 'Stangs leaving shows and loosing control that were attributed to traction control issues, I could have just been sucked into believing it though.

Fact is all the high powered rear wheel drive vehicles can break loose easily with traction control (partially) off, it comes down to the driver and their knowledge of how their car handles.

That happens with two kinds of drivers, very young ones, and ones that don't live in a rainy/snowy climate where you learn how to steer with the rear of your car. A lot of warm weather climate people who have never had a car get loose on them before.

We grew up training doing donuts in the snow filled mall parking lots.

stevo23 · Oct 7, 2019

Dave_Good said:
stevo23 said:

Dave_Good said:

57even said:

Yeah, but they don't give you the same sense of achievement - or the cool factor.

Any idiot can drive fast in some new fast saloons, which only means they get into trouble a lot faster. I appreciate traction control when I'm driving on snow, but it's hopeless for deliberate tail-out hooliganism ;-)

Click to expand...

I agree, the traction nanny is the first thing I disable after firing the Hemi up. The Mustang folks are having quite a few disastrous spin outs when attempting to do a burn out due to the nanny over-correcting.

Click to expand...

How is that?

Click to expand...

I have seen videos of 'Stangs leaving shows and loosing control that were attributed to traction control issues, I could have just been sucked into believing it though.

I asked because I have a 2017 GT with the track pack. I THINK it's straightforward for me, but the older ones have a "hidden" mode. Miatas have it too and when you hold the traction switch for five seconds, traction and stability are completely off. And from what I know, there was no visible indication?

Dave_Good said:
Fact is all the high powered rear wheel drive vehicles can break loose easily with traction control (partially) off, it comes down to the driver and their knowledge of how their car handles.

My 2017 GT has a clear indication that stability and/or traction is off and it's straightforward to access. It's hard not to break loose when I turn it all off.

Mackiesback · Oct 7, 2019

stevo23 said:
Dave_Good said:

stevo23 said:

Dave_Good said:

57even said:

Yeah, but they don't give you the same sense of achievement - or the cool factor.

Any idiot can drive fast in some new fast saloons, which only means they get into trouble a lot faster. I appreciate traction control when I'm driving on snow, but it's hopeless for deliberate tail-out hooliganism ;-)

Click to expand...

I agree, the traction nanny is the first thing I disable after firing the Hemi up. The Mustang folks are having quite a few disastrous spin outs when attempting to do a burn out due to the nanny over-correcting.

Click to expand...

How is that?

Click to expand...

I have seen videos of 'Stangs leaving shows and loosing control that were attributed to traction control issues, I could have just been sucked into believing it though.

Click to expand...

I asked because I have a 2017 GT with the track pack. I THINK it's straightforward for me, but the older ones have a "hidden" mode. Miatas have it too and when you hold the traction switch for five seconds, traction and stability are completely off. And from what I know, there was no visible indication?

stevo23 said:

Fact is all the high powered rear wheel drive vehicles can break loose easily with traction control (partially) off, it comes down to the driver and their knowledge of how their car handles.

Click to expand...

My 2017 GT has a clear indication that stability and/or traction is off and it's straightforward to access. It's hard not to break loose when I turn it all off.

Miatas have traction control? Didn't see that one coming....

stevo23 · Oct 7, 2019

Mackiesback said:
stevo23 said:

Dave_Good said:

stevo23 said:

Dave_Good said:

57even said:

Yeah, but they don't give you the same sense of achievement - or the cool factor.

Any idiot can drive fast in some new fast saloons, which only means they get into trouble a lot faster. I appreciate traction control when I'm driving on snow, but it's hopeless for deliberate tail-out hooliganism ;-)

Click to expand...

I agree, the traction nanny is the first thing I disable after firing the Hemi up. The Mustang folks are having quite a few disastrous spin outs when attempting to do a burn out due to the nanny over-correcting.

Click to expand...

How is that?

Click to expand...

I have seen videos of 'Stangs leaving shows and loosing control that were attributed to traction control issues, I could have just been sucked into believing it though.

Click to expand...

I asked because I have a 2017 GT with the track pack. I THINK it's straightforward for me, but the older ones have a "hidden" mode. Miatas have it too and when you hold the traction switch for five seconds, traction and stability are completely off. And from what I know, there was no visible indication?

Mackiesback said:

Fact is all the high powered rear wheel drive vehicles can break loose easily with traction control (partially) off, it comes down to the driver and their knowledge of how their car handles.

Click to expand...

My 2017 GT has a clear indication that stability and/or traction is off and it's straightforward to access. It's hard not to break loose when I turn it all off.

Click to expand...

Miatas have traction control? Didn't see that one coming....

LOL. One of my chums had a 2017 and tracked it a good bit.

Dave_Good · Oct 7, 2019

Mackiesback said:
That happens with two kinds of drivers, very young ones, and ones that don't live in a rainy/snowy climate where you learn how to steer with the rear of your car. A lot of warm weather climate people who have never had a car get loose on them before.

We grew up training doing donuts in the snow filled mall parking lots.

I learned to drive in Montreal and as a young adult lived in the Laurentian ski hill (Morin Heights) area with a long daily commute (in my heaterless VW baja bug no less!).

Dave_Good · Oct 7, 2019

stevo23 said:
I asked because I have a 2017 GT with the track pack. I THINK it's straightforward for me, but the older ones have a "hidden" mode. Miatas have it too and when you hold the traction switch for five seconds, traction and stability are completely off. And from what I know, there was no visible indication?

stevo23 said:
My 2017 GT has a clear indication that stability and/or traction is off and it's straightforward to access. It's hard not to break loose when I turn it all off.

I have only driven the Challenger and Charger R/T's and SRT's. Some of the RT's had an option to hold the Disable ESP button and wait for the chimes to indicate a level with a bit less computer intervention than just pressing it. Then there was the "key trick" where you turn the ignition key while driving and wait for the chimes. Traction control is still not completely turned off though. The SRT's had different parameters and now have Performance Pages.

The first mod I did on my Tremec 6 speed Challenger was install a "Quick Shift Eliminator" to stop the computer from going straight to fourth from first speed during slow acceleration. It was like dropping an anchor when it activated, great way to get t-boned.

FrancoD · Oct 7, 2019

Can you guys reccomend a good car forum where folk like to talk about cameras ?

stevo23 · Oct 7, 2019

Dave_Good said:
stevo23 said:

I asked because I have a 2017 GT with the track pack. I THINK it's straightforward for me, but the older ones have a "hidden" mode. Miatas have it too and when you hold the traction switch for five seconds, traction and stability are completely off. And from what I know, there was no visible indication?

My 2017 GT has a clear indication that stability and/or traction is off and it's straightforward to access. It's hard not to break loose when I turn it all off.

Click to expand...

I have only driven the Challenger and Charger R/T's and SRT's. Some of the RT's had an option to hold the Disable ESP button and wait for the chimes to indicate a level with a bit less computer intervention than just pressing it. Then there was the "key trick" where you turn the ignition key while driving and wait for the chimes. Traction control is still not completely turned off though. The SRT's had different parameters and now have Performance Pages.

I just tested my GT and it does have a second "hidden" mode when in sport mode, but not in track mode.

Dave_Good said:
The first mod I did on my Tremec 6 speed Challenger was install a "Quick Shift Eliminator" to stop the computer from going straight to fourth from first speed during slow acceleration. It was like dropping an anchor when it activated, great way to get t-boned.

That's horrid. I can't imagine.

stevo23 · Oct 7, 2019

FrancoD said:
Can you guys reccomend a good car forum where folk like to talk about cameras ?

Dodge and burn is a good one.

What's more complicated - cars or photography?

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