Time for a monochrome, Fuji?

Because Fuji cameras are made for photography. They are not collection items. Because sadly this is what Leica has become.
 
Leica has it easy actually since they use DNG as raw. They simply output the monochrome as monochrome DNG and the S/W is already in place to handle it.
This is not totally accurate. When I got my Monochrom (the original one) I discovered that many raw-editing programs do not support the file format: They would not even recognize the files as image files! (They would recognize files from M8 and M9)

This led me to try out various packages and decide which one I preferred (settled on C1)
 
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Because Fuji cameras are made for photography. They are not collection items. Because sadly this is what Leica has become.
Interesting. I've shot about 10 times more images with my Monochrom than with my Fuji during the past year. If "collection item" means spending time on the shelf, the Fuji is obviously better suited for this :-P
 
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With the price of Leica’s version, I’m somewhat surprised noone else is offering a more affordable monochrome body.
A niche of a niche camera is not a great idea for a company that competes on volume. Leica can charge a lot and that is why they can do it.
Fuji’s camera style should be perfect for this, and the APS-C sensor could really benefit from the increased detail, richer grayscale, and approximately 1.5 stops of extra light gathering, that results from removal of the color filter. Anyone else who’d love to see this?
Who makes a monochrome apsc sensor for Fuji to use?
 
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Perhaps Fuji could produce monochrome rangefinder copy of Leica M but it would fail. No demand. Like VW Beetle.....retro just an excuse to be nostalgic and think people are fascinated with legends. Black and white has a place for war photographers but really grey in fifty shades is not the way we see the world. Color is what we need more of in our world of shadows. Leica wrote the book on rangefinders....not Fuji.
 
There's not enough sales volume potential in that for Fujifilm to be interested.
 
I'd be thrilled, and would buy it. And I don't see any reason it's needs to be expensive. Make it no frills cheap and it could sell in reasonable volumes I'd think.
 
Black and white has a place for war photographers but really grey in fifty shades is not the way we see the world. Color is what we need more of in our world of shadows. Leica wrote the book on rangefinders....not Fuji.
Seriously? You really should try to broaden your horizons, my friend.

I could counter that photography, in general is not the way we see the world.
 
Because Fuji cameras are made for photography. They are not collection items. Because sadly this is what Leica has become.
Interesting. I've shot about 10 times more images with my Monochrom than with my Fuji during the past year. If "collection item" means spending time on the shelf, the Fuji is obviously better suited for this :-P
You should tell that Leica. I'm sure they would like to hear that some people still take images with their cameras. O maybe they wouldn't care. I still think that you are a rare breed.
 
if they could sell a monochrome camera to people other than photography forum members, they would have done it already.
:-) I agree and don't think the Leica has sold very well.

I mean, why would anyone want to buy a camera that has that limitation?
What limitation? What is there beside B&W? There are plenty of people that still shoot B&W. Leica doesn't sell many M cameras to start with. But since the released the M246 after the M monochrome says that it sold enough. Leica has it easy actually since they use DNG as raw. They simply output the monochrome as monochrome DNG and the S/W is already in place to handle it. If Fuji released one they would be be stuck with the F/W to support and DNG makes the most sense and that would be more work. In other words I expect it would be a much bigger impact for Fuji than Leica.

I've rented the Leica M monochrome (18 true MP) and the images are better than my Pro2 converted. First they are a true 18 MP while Fuji is probably 12 to 14 after the Xtrans processing and interpolation. Second there is no smearing of detail - no interpolation. Third the tonal gradation is richer. On top of that any S/W package handles DNG.

The difference is small and it is subtle but it is there. At some point I will have a monochrome camera. But I doubt Fuji will ever make one. There are two downsides of a digital monochrome camera. It is a digital camera so the response is linear - there is no shoulder so exposure becomes extremely critical. The second is if someone does not have experience with B&W they don't understand the necessity to under stand spectral balancing the scene which means the use of external filters. There is no color to convert from. So the attitude shown on this post would significantly limit the people interested in the camera. So I don't see Fuji going that route.

There is a monochrome street camera in my future - I just don't see it being a Fuji.
Photoshop and the Fuji film simulations will allow just about anything a person wants to do with an image.

Naturally, if someone wants to spend their money on a one-trick pony that's their business and whatever floats their boat is fine with me. :-D
Everyone is different and, in all seriousness, I wouldn't fault anyone for buying a camera that only produced a monochrome image if that's what they wanted but, I just don't see the point of spending money on a camera that only produces a single "color" (or lack of color) when other cameras, that might be even less expensive, will produce both monochrome and full-color images.

The Leica M monochrome costs $8,000.00 for the body only and at that price, I'd expect it to be one of the world's best cameras but I still can't see the logic of spending that kind of money on a camera that only shoots monochrome.

Just my opinion but in answer to the OP's post, I think Fuji would be foolish to develop such a niche camera because even though it would be much less expensive than the Leica M, there just wouldn't be many people interested in buying one, unless the price was ridiculously low and they bought it more out of curiosity than anything else.

Naturally, I could be 100% wrong. Wouldn't be the first time.
 
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Black and white has a place for war photographers but really grey in fifty shades is not the way we see the world. Color is what we need more of in our world of shadows. Leica wrote the book on rangefinders....not Fuji.
Seriously? You really should try to broaden your horizons, my friend.

I could counter that photography, in general is not the way we see the world.
I agree. The over-saturated images I see so often, is definitely not the way we see the world. I prefer black and white over the vast majority of over-saturated, over-processed images that seem so common today.
 
Leica has it easy actually since they use DNG as raw. They simply output the monochrome as monochrome DNG and the S/W is already in place to handle it.
This is not totally accurate. When I got my Monochrom (the original one) I discovered that many raw-editing programs do not support the file format: They would not even recognize the files as image files! (They would recognize files from M8 and M9)

This led me to try out various packages and decide which one I preferred (settled on C1)
I have downloaded images several times and either DXO or C1 had any problem. I don't know about the rest. While DNG is suppose to be "universal" and open - I'm not sure it is. For example if you convert an Xtrans to DNG, DXO does not support it. However, I didn't have any issues with the shots I downloaded.
 
I'd be thrilled, and would buy it. And I don't see any reason it's needs to be expensive. Make it no frills cheap and it could sell in reasonable volumes I'd think.
Again where is this cheap monochrome sensor?
 
I'd be thrilled, and would buy it. And I don't see any reason it's needs to be expensive. Make it no frills cheap and it could sell in reasonable volumes I'd think.
Again where is this cheap monochrome sensor?
Actually all sensors are monochrome. Then the CFA is added in a separate process. So the bare sensor is monochrome. That's not the problem. The problem all the camera F/W is developed for whatever CFA the camera is using. A monochrome camera would require a different set of F/W. The file format would be different - most likely DNG.

So it would be a new camera development and the cost of that development would have to be paid for by a limited number of cameras that would be sold. I don't see it happening.
 
A monochrome X100 camera would be pretty sweet
 
retro just an excuse to be nostalgic and think people are fascinated with legends.
They are *Legends* for a reason.

This has to be a troll of epic proportions.. a Labor Day gift.

BTW- I would buy an XH-1 in B&W in a heartbeat.
 

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