The only thing you should be worried about ISO

ISO is something you set to derive the correct exposure.
Absolutely wrong. You might, but I don't. I determine what shutter speed and what aperture I need and then I choose my ISO, not the other way around.
Some of us don’t use auto modes and exposure comp.
Some of you clearly don't shoot dynamic situations where the lighting is changing faster than you can take to set your ISO and then let your exposure choices fall wherever.
 
I find it very odd that some people put ISO in the same box as exposure thinking it is part of the exposure triangle.
It’s not “very odd”, because that’s how most photography instruction videos and books have always described it, ie. the Exposure Triangle. When an entire industry says one thing, and a few geeks on a tech forum say another, it’s pretty clear that one side is dealing with practical photography, and the other with semantics and technical details behind the scenes that are of little practical importance.

ISO is something you set to derive the correct exposure. Some of us don’t use auto modes and exposure comp.
Entire industry says there is a standard on ISO speed, and in that standard ISO speed is defined as being determined through exposure (page 2, 3.7), and not being a part of the exposure.
 
Did you steal this from a Tony Northrup youtube video stating the exact same thing few months back
I have seen the same thing in another web site. Besides there's nothing wrong with copying and pasting something like this which may be what Tony Northrup did.
 
I find it very odd that some people put ISO in the same box as exposure thinking it is part of the exposure triangle.
It’s not “very odd”, because that’s how most photography instruction videos and books have always described it, ie. the Exposure Triangle. When an entire industry says one thing, and a few geeks on a tech forum say another, it’s pretty clear that one side is dealing with practical photography, and the other with semantics and technical details behind the scenes that are of little practical importance.
While teaching something this way might make it easier for someone to learn how to use a camera it doesn't make it right. Knowing the correct way of looking at it is important as a user advances. I remember in HS physics that one of the most difficult concepts to understand was the difference between mass and weight because a balance scale was used to determine mass. Mass is a constant while the weight of something of a constant mass can vary with something as simple as a change elevation above sea level. The mass of a weightless object in space has the same mass as it does at sea level.
ISO is something you set to derive the correct exposure. Some of us don’t use auto modes and exposure comp.
What is "correct" exposure? ISO can correct the brightness as the lighting decreases.

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ISO is something you set to derive the correct exposure.
Absolutely wrong. You might, but I don't. I determine what shutter speed and what aperture I need and then I choose my ISO, not the other way around.
Some of us don’t use auto modes and exposure comp.
Some of you clearly don't shoot dynamic situations where the lighting is changing faster than you can take to set your ISO and then let your exposure choices fall wherever.
That's why I use mainly Aperture Priority Auto Exposure mode, mostly with Auto ISO. Where a camera allows it, also use a lower shutter speed limit ‘say 250th] with Auto ISO when there are moving subjects. Bang-wallop, no manual adjustment normally necessary to get the shot.
 
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I find it very odd that some people put ISO in the same box as exposure thinking it is part of the exposure triangle.
It’s not “very odd”, because that’s how most photography instruction videos and books have always described it, ie. the Exposure Triangle. When an entire industry says one thing, and a few geeks on a tech forum say another, it’s pretty clear that one side is dealing with practical photography, and the other with semantics and technical details behind the scenes that are of little practical importance.
While teaching something this way might make it easier for someone to learn how to use a camera it doesn't make it right. Knowing the correct way of looking at it is important as a user advances. I remember in HS physics that one of the most difficult concepts to understand was the difference between mass and weight because a balance scale was used to determine mass. Mass is a constant while the weight of something of a constant mass can vary with something as simple as a change elevation above sea level. The mass of a weightless object in space has the same mass as it does at sea level.
ISO is something you set to derive the correct exposure. Some of us don’t use auto modes and exposure comp.
What is "correct" exposure? ISO can correct the brightness as the lighting decreases.
What practical difference does how you define it make? Nothing. Nadda. Zilch. It just makes some people feel clever, overcomplicating stuff for the beginner. Who, apart from some geeky clique, cares one jot about this? As long as people get the exposure they want, the way they want to, crack on!
 
I find it very odd that some people put ISO in the same box as exposure thinking it is part of the exposure triangle.
It’s not “very odd”, because that’s how most photography instruction videos and books have always described it, ie. the Exposure Triangle. When an entire industry says one thing, and a few geeks on a tech forum say another, it’s pretty clear that one side is dealing with practical photography, and the other with semantics and technical details behind the scenes that are of little practical importance.

ISO is something you set to derive the correct exposure. Some of us don’t use auto modes and exposure comp.
Entire industry says there is a standard on ISO speed, and in that standard ISO speed is defined as being determined through exposure (page 2, 3.7), and not being a part of the exposure.
I’m not talking about the definition of ISO.

A small handful of people in dpreview forums think they’re going to bully the whole world into changing the usage of the word “exposure”, and it’s pretty funny to watch.

It’s like trying to correct everyone who says “literally” when they mean “figuratively”. Yeah you’re technically correct, but seriously, you know what they mean anyway and who cares.
 
I find it very odd that some people put ISO in the same box as exposure thinking it is part of the exposure triangle.
It’s not “very odd”, because that’s how most photography instruction videos and books have always described it, ie. the Exposure Triangle. When an entire industry says one thing, and a few geeks on a tech forum say another, it’s pretty clear that one side is dealing with practical photography, and the other with semantics and technical details behind the scenes that are of little practical importance.

ISO is something you set to derive the correct exposure. Some of us don’t use auto modes and exposure comp.
Entire industry says there is a standard on ISO speed, and in that standard ISO speed is defined as being determined through exposure (page 2, 3.7), and not being a part of the exposure.
I’m not talking about the definition of ISO.

A small handful of people in dpreview forums think they’re going to bully the whole world into changing the usage of the word “exposure”, and it’s pretty funny to watch.

It’s like trying to correct everyone who says “literally” when they mean “figuratively”. Yeah you’re technically correct, but seriously, you know what they mean anyway and who cares.
Using words incorrectly usually isn't a problem unless you are trying to learn about the subject.

If we were talking with friends about how business is going, it doesn't really matter whether we say "revenue", "gross profits", net profits" or "income". We're just trying to get across a general idea of whether or not our business is doing well. If we are actually trying to understand how much our business is worth, then it becomes important to understand the differences between the various terms.

If you are talking about photography in general, it really doesn't matter what words you use as long as you get the general idea across. If you are trying to help someone gain a better understanding then using the right words can be very helpful.
 
I find it very odd that some people put ISO in the same box as exposure thinking it is part of the exposure triangle.
It’s not “very odd”, because that’s how most photography instruction videos and books have always described it, ie. the Exposure Triangle. When an entire industry says one thing, and a few geeks on a tech forum say another, it’s pretty clear that one side is dealing with practical photography, and the other with semantics and technical details behind the scenes that are of little practical importance.

ISO is something you set to derive the correct exposure. Some of us don’t use auto modes and exposure comp.
Entire industry says there is a standard on ISO speed, and in that standard ISO speed is defined as being determined through exposure (page 2, 3.7), and not being a part of the exposure.
I’m not talking about the definition of ISO.
So, you are talking about some other industry, not photographic.

Definition of ISO speed is not what it is about. It is about the definition of exposure, which hasn't changed since XIX century.
A small handful of people in dpreview forums think they’re going to bully the whole world into changing the usage of the word “exposure”
Yes, and you are one of those.
 
I find it very odd that some people put ISO in the same box as exposure thinking it is part of the exposure triangle.
It’s not “very odd”, because that’s how most photography instruction videos and books have always described it, ie. the Exposure Triangle. When an entire industry says one thing, and a few geeks on a tech forum say another, it’s pretty clear that one side is dealing with practical photography, and the other with semantics and technical details behind the scenes that are of little practical importance.

ISO is something you set to derive the correct exposure. Some of us don’t use auto modes and exposure comp.
Entire industry says there is a standard on ISO speed, and in that standard ISO speed is defined as being determined through exposure (page 2, 3.7), and not being a part of the exposure.
I’m not talking about the definition of ISO.
So, you are talking about some other industry, not photographic.

Definition of ISO speed is not what it is about. It is about the definition of exposure, which hasn't changed since XIX century.
A small handful of people in dpreview forums think they’re going to bully the whole world into changing the usage of the word “exposure”
Yes, and you are one of those.
Same old Iliah, tilting at the same windmills, year after year after year...
 
Yeah you’re technically correct, but seriously, you know what they mean anyway and who cares.
If you are technically incorrect in a technical matter, you are incorrect no matter how you try to frame it.. But if you do not care, why are you so vehement in opposing what is technically correct?
It’s not a technical matter, it’s an English language usage matter. On one side is every photography instructional book and video I’ve ever seen, and on the other is you and Iliah Borg.
 
Yeah you’re technically correct, but seriously, you know what they mean anyway and who cares.
If you are technically incorrect in a technical matter, you are incorrect no matter how you try to frame it.. But if you do not care, why are you so vehement in opposing what is technically correct?
It’s not a technical matter, it’s an English language usage matter. On one side is every photography instructional book and vide I’ve ever seen,
Then you haven't looked at the good ones.
and on the other is you and Iliah Borg.
and the minority of people who actually know the technical meaning of the term, a meaning which hasn't changed since the term was defined 1.3 centuries ago.

When an incorrect usage of a technical term becomes widespread, that incorrect usage doesn't become correct. It just becomes common.

A lot of books and articles on ISO say that changing the ISO setting changes the sensitivity of the sensor. It doesn't. The sensor reports the same photon counts for a given exposure regardless of the ISO setting. that fact that a lot of publications say otherwise doesn't make it correct. This fact that a lot of people (mis-)use the word "exposure" in a sense other than its technical definition does change that technical definition.
 
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Yeah you’re technically correct, but seriously, you know what they mean anyway and who cares.
If you are technically incorrect in a technical matter, you are incorrect no matter how you try to frame it.. But if you do not care, why are you so vehement in opposing what is technically correct?
It’s not a technical matter,
But it is, because it describes how a camera [a technical thing] is designed and works
 
Yeah you’re technically correct, but seriously, you know what they mean anyway and who cares.
If you are technically incorrect in a technical matter, you are incorrect no matter how you try to frame it.. But if you do not care, why are you so vehement in opposing what is technically correct?
It’s not a technical matter, it’s an English language usage matter. On one side is every photography instructional book and vide I’ve ever seen,
Then you haven't looked at the good ones.
and on the other is you and Iliah Borg.
and the minority of people who actually know the technical meaning of the term, a meaning which hasn't changed since the term was defined 1.3 centuries ago.

When an incorrect usage of a technical term becomes widespread, that incorrect usage doesn't become correct. It just becomes common.

A lot of books and articles on ISO say that changing the ISO setting changes the sensitivity of the sensor. It doesn't. The sensor reports the same photon counts for a given exposure regardless of the ISO setting. that fact that a lot of publications say otherwise doesn't make it correct. This fact that a lot of people (mis-)use the word "exposure" in a sense other than its technical definition does change that technical definition.
I guess this is a byproduct of the digital age, where “ISO” is just another user setting that can be changed at will. My 1983 Kodak book, which only talks about film photography obviously, does not include film speed in its discussion of “exposure”.
 
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Yeah you’re technically correct, but seriously, you know what they mean anyway and who cares.
If you are technically incorrect in a technical matter, you are incorrect no matter how you try to frame it.. But if you do not care, why are you so vehement in opposing what is technically correct?
It’s not a technical matter,
But it is, because it describes how a camera [a technical thing] is designed and works
I’ll concede the point. As I just said in another comment, I think that in the digital age camera users see ISO as just another setting. It’s not as obviously excluded from “exposure” as with film speed.



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