FP -> Foveon make your suggestions to Sigma here

The biggest positive for the FP for me is the size. That's really pretty much it.

However I suspect most would agree the size, very close to a dp merrill is a positive what to you think is unnecessary in the FP that can be eliminated in the Foveon and what do you think needs to be added?

I have two initial thoughts. First is a movable lcd screen that at the very least tilts up and down and maybe even to "selfie" mode 90 degrees up but the more flexibility the better. Second an electronic view finder located centrally or preferably on the right side of the camera.

As far as what can be dropped all but minimal video and maybe even no video at all. I'm not sure the apparently adopted from Panasonic focus system is any advantage and would like to see something better. I'd like to see a mechanical shutter as well.

I'd really like to see the body be in the same size range as the FP and hope with the new heat sink tech that will be possible.

What to you want to see added or dropped for the upcoming Foveon camera?

BTW Sony is coming up with some big announcements soon including an A6500 successor. We appear to be in the midst of another big technological tidal change.

Mike

docmaas said:

The biggest positive for the FP for me is the size. That's really pretty much it.

However I suspect most would agree the size, very close to a dp merrill is a positive what to you think is unnecessary in the FP that can be eliminated in the Foveon and what do you think needs to be added?

I have two initial thoughts. First is a movable lcd screen that at the very least tilts up and down and maybe even to "selfie" mode 90 degrees up but the more flexibility the better. Second an electronic view finder located centrally or preferably on the right side of the camera.

As far as what can be dropped all but minimal video and maybe even no video at all. I'm not sure the apparently adopted from Panasonic focus system is any advantage and would like to see something better. I'd like to see a mechanical shutter as well.

I'd really like to see the body be in the same size range as the FP and hope with the new heat sink tech that will be possible.

What to you want to see added or dropped for the upcoming Foveon camera?

BTW Sony is coming up with some big announcements soon including an A6500 successor. We appear to be in the midst of another big technological tidal change.

Mike

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I'm actually hoping Sigma makes and fp with a Foveon sensor AND a replacement for the SD Quattro H with a full-frame Foveon sensor and the L mount for attaching lenses. I think two cameras would be perfect - one normal size and one ultra-small and much less expensive. I think they might make one for $1,799 and the other for $2,799.

As far as what they should include - I think the fp should be the fp as it is, but with a Foveon version too. Sure, I'd like to see a hotshoe adapter with an integrated viewfinder, but that's just an accessory I'd be requesting. Sure, I'd like to see a Sigma camera with a tilt screen, but I'd also like a whole slew of other things, and I just don't see them making such a camera out of the fp.

Here's what I'd like to see after the first two full-frame Foveon sensor cameras (the fp and the SD F):

A larger, more "professional level" mirrorless camera, with a built-in battery grip, which takes two of those monster batteries they put in the Panasonic S1. The smaller SD F could take the same battery and have a battery grip accessory that would take a second one, but the SD2 could have an integrated, fully-weather-sealed vertical grip, which takes two of those batteries. The professional level SD2 could be not only faster, but have a lager, better viewfinder, a 3.5" tilting touch screen, wi-fi, GPS, and a virtually endless buffer. It could be the fastest digital camera Sigma has ever made, including the shooting speed, focusing speed, review time, and buffer clearing time. It should have two SD card slots too (both should be UHS-II, like the Fuji GFX 100 has). It could be $3,999, but I doubt people would spend more than that for a Sigma camera . . . still.

I don't think any of the cameras with Foveon sensors would need to do video, though I would not mind if they added video capability. After-all, the DP Merrills had video years and years ago.

docmaas said:

The biggest positive for the FP for me is the size. That's really pretty much it.

However I suspect most would agree the size, very close to a dp merrill is a positive what to you think is unnecessary in the FP that can be eliminated in the Foveon and what do you think needs to be added?

I have two initial thoughts. First is a movable lcd screen that at the very least tilts up and down and maybe even to "selfie" mode 90 degrees up but the more flexibility the better. Second an electronic view finder located centrally or preferably on the right side of the camera.

As far as what can be dropped all but minimal video and maybe even no video at all. I'm not sure the apparently adopted from Panasonic focus system is any advantage and would like to see something better. I'd like to see a mechanical shutter as well.

I'd really like to see the body be in the same size range as the FP and hope with the new heat sink tech that will be possible.

What to you want to see added or dropped for the upcoming Foveon camera?

BTW Sony is coming up with some big announcements soon including an A6500 successor. We appear to be in the midst of another big technological tidal change.

Mike

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Like you, I'd like to see a Foveon sensor fp's. What fp appeal to me most is its diminutive dp like design, and its expandability thanks to the modular approach. I've been hesitating whether to switch back to Foveon since the Sigma's announcement of the development of FF Foveon L-mount camera. If a FF Foveon indeed adopts the fp design, I'm would be in as soon as it is available.
I concur with you fully regarding mechanical shutter and articulate LCD. What I would like Sigma to add to their already quite complete range of accessories is an EVF module that can be attached to the left side.

What Sigma needs is a fp with tilt screen a viewfinder and pop up flash like the DP2x. 2 fp with a 24-70 zoom and a 70-105 would be nice but I don't think it will happen. As for price $800 USD t0 $1000 USD The market isn't there for new cameras and lenses at a high cost. There to much really great used stuff out there and to be honest you'll never see the difference. If I want a large enlargement I shoot positive film and have a drum scan and print or I send it to Ilford and they'll do a darkroom print from a digital file.

With the new cell phones like the Google Pixel 4 coming out 2 zoom lenses why would the average person pay a lot for a camera? They don't need. My youngest son who's 15 shoots a cell phone and a Polaroid and prints both on a Epson printer.

Now that Sigma has gone bayer I'm looking at other cameras.

Roger J.

They've already stated that their goal with the Foveon is to make a "Traditional" stills camera with a Foveon sensor.

I don't think the upcoming full frame Foveon will look anything like the fp.

I'd assumed that the full frame Foveon (FFF) would be sort of Leica M like - the sd Quattro wasn't too far off from this already. Panasonic and Leica have carved out the "big heavy SLR Like" section of the L-Mount alliance, so smaller would help them stand out.

So - the fp will attract [more] cinema shooters to the L-Mount. I really think the lack of shutter (rolling shutter) and slow flash sync speeds will prevent serious stills photographers from considering it a low cost entry into the L-Mount.

In a sense, the Leica T and C do this (small APS-C based cameras), but the lenses are hugely expensive and only for APS-C, so not a great entry into the system if you want to start with it at a low price point and start buying lenses.

For many serious shooters, lenses are the most significant investment in any camera system. I certainly own more [redacted] lens mount lenses than I do cameras.

So if you're looking to attract new customers to the L-Mount you're going to want to produce:

• A low cost entry level camera
• That's full frame
• Smaller than the big and heavy Panasonic S1/S1R and Leica SL.
• With good ISO - casual shooters aren't going to want the troubles of the Foveon sensor

[aside: oddly this is precisely the strategy Nikon and Canon followed - but without the upscale model to aspire to and generate interest from professional shooters]

Specifically if I was Sigma I'd be thinking about

• How do we attract more people to the L-Mount Alliance to make the alliance successful so I can sell more lenses & cameras
• How do I attract Panasonic and Leica users to at least test my Foveon camera

Based on the above - I'm really expecting a Quattro SD like camera. Smallish with an optional battery grip. With a rangefinder style EVF.

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saltydogstudios said:

They've already stated that their goal with the Foveon is to make a "Traditional" stills camera with a Foveon sensor.

I don't think the upcoming full frame Foveon will look anything like the fp.

I'd assumed that the full frame Foveon (FFF) would be sort of Leica M like - the sd Quattro wasn't too far off from this already. Panasonic and Leica have carved out the "big heavy SLR Like" section of the L-Mount alliance, so smaller would help them stand out.

So - the fp will attract [more] cinema shooters to the L-Mount. I really think the lack of shutter (rolling shutter) and slow flash sync speeds will prevent serious stills photographers from considering it a low cost entry into the L-Mount.

In a sense, the Leica T and C do this (small APS-C based cameras), but the lenses are hugely expensive and only for APS-C, so not a great entry into the system if you want to start with it at a low price point and start buying lenses.

For many serious shooters, lenses are the most significant investment in any camera system. I certainly own more [redacted] lens mount lenses than I do cameras.

So if you're looking to attract new customers to the L-Mount you're going to want to produce:

• A low cost entry level camera
• That's full frame
• Smaller than the big and heavy Panasonic S1/S1R and Leica SL.
• With good ISO - casual shooters aren't going to want the troubles of the Foveon sensor

[aside: oddly this is precisely the strategy Nikon and Canon followed - but without the upscale model to aspire to and generate interest from professional shooters]

Specifically if I was Sigma I'd be thinking about

• How do we attract more people to the L-Mount Alliance to make the alliance successful so I can sell more lenses & cameras
• How do I attract Panasonic and Leica users to at least test my Foveon camera

Based on the above - I'm really expecting a Quattro SD like camera. Smallish with an optional battery grip. With a rangefinder style EVF.

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I'm thinking the next CFA iteration of the fp will have a sensor that can work faster. It might be 24 MP still, or it might be 30 MP or something more. I bet it will do 4Kp60 video though, and I bet the flash sync. speed will be 1/60 at 14 bit instead of 1/30 at 12 bit. That's still a bit limiting, but an improvement just the same. 4Kp60 will make it a much more attractive video camera, and by then the original fp might be selling under $1,000.

As far as the full-frame Foveon camera(s), I think there might be a Foveon version of the fp. It might be called the fp F, while a newer CFA version of the fp in the future might be called the fp X or fp S or even fp2. I could see them creating a whole series of fp cameras in the years to come, starting with fp, but continuing on with fp2, fp3, fp4, etc.

I would like a bigger, more-integrated camera too. Call me traditional, but I don't like the idea of having a viewfinder that I have to attach to my camera. I prefer a built-in viewfinder, or one that's interchangeable, but attaches in a way that is weather sealed and sturdy, like it's built-in, similar to the way my viewfinder attaches to my Nikon F3hp. As time goes by, and I see a whole slew of accessories come on the market for the fp, I may end up changing my mind about that. I guess I'll have to wait and see. I do like the idea of a tilt screen and long battery life though, so until such accessories are available for the fp, and they seem sturdy enough, I would like a camera with these features, similar to my SD Quattro H with a tilt screen, L mount, and hopefully wi-fi and GPS too.

• Mechanical Shutter
• Hotshoe + PC-socket
• Square design, heatsink and tripod sockets of the FP
• More dynamic range
• 16 bit raw
• Faster AF
• Big Touchscreen
• No video
• IBIS
• 4:3 Format
• Wifi tethering
• Focus + exposure bracketing

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They should have released a FP Monochrome version.

docmaas said:

The biggest positive for the FP for me is the size. That's really pretty much it.

However I suspect most would agree the size, very close to a dp merrill is a positive what to you think is unnecessary in the FP that can be eliminated in the Foveon and what do you think needs to be added?

I have two initial thoughts. First is a movable lcd screen that at the very least tilts up and down and maybe even to "selfie" mode 90 degrees up but the more flexibility the better. Second an electronic view finder located centrally or preferably on the right side of the camera.

As far as what can be dropped all but minimal video and maybe even no video at all. I'm not sure the apparently adopted from Panasonic focus system is any advantage and would like to see something better. I'd like to see a mechanical shutter as well.

I'd really like to see the body be in the same size range as the FP and hope with the new heat sink tech that will be possible.

What to you want to see added or dropped for the upcoming Foveon camera?

BTW Sony is coming up with some big announcements soon including an A6500 successor. We appear to be in the midst of another big technological tidal change.

Mike

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Seems people might be missing the entire point of this camera. Perhaps an EVF would be useful, but this is indeed a video-oriented tool and apparently designed very well for that purpose. The mechanical shutter is really not all that important for video since all the major cameras which use video do not use a mechanical shutter even for time-lapse. The wear and tear is just too much. I have an excellent Nikon 1V which has both a mechanical and electronic shutter and I see very little difference in the IQ regardless of which I select. Both are very, very good.

I think the FP is essentially a video tool which "can" do stills, but it's definitely oriented for really good video captures. Maybe we should wait and see just what it can do before asking for things such as phase detection focusing which is of little importance in video. Just some thoughts..

Best regards,

Lin

I think Sigma is in a crossroad and so we are.

Up to now Sigma tried to create a Legacy with Foveon sensor and tried to achieve niche market segment position which Foveon sensors deserve. But I feel market realities and under dogging the Sigma system by big players and content creators bring a reality for all Foveon sensor users.

Even though I do not expect sigma kill Foveon sensor cameras but I am afraid it will become less and less common if specially Sigma succeeds by their Bayer sensor line of cameras and to reach to a level of recognition by main stream players and content creators.

The signs are there. For me DP series cameras were more innovative then FP and end results were very effective with the limitations of film area cameras and functionalities. But never get recognition by mainstream.

I should give my respect to Sigma for their long time devotion and persistence to be committed to foveon sensor cameras.

Yes I do expect Sigma to go FF with foveon cameras but I am afraid it will be expansive to most us to reach any more. as now they are creating a new line of camera sets probably Foveon sensor cameras will be way higher in food chain. For sure it deserves such a place but little depressing to feel it coming.

So my proposal for the future of Foveon and Sigma will be a more radical solution. To go medium format as soon as possible before this niche area completely occupied.

I feel that a not so high pixel resolution medium format Foveon sensor is the future for Sigma. Where foveon can benefit from large pixels to gather enough information without too much noise. Where it might attract the Studio shooters with Flash and studio lighting environment where the noise problem of the Foveon sensor becomes less of a issue. Where Sigma can create excellent medium format lenses to reach even larger and rich professional photographers to provide art series lens to the most of the medium format cameras available in market.

I think such camera if succeeds can secure the life of Foveon sensor for us. As I don't see a bright future for FF foveon sensor where it is very easy for mega brands to out maneuver Sigma.

Only commercial success could come to Foveon if we ever see a Leica or Panasonic camera with Foveon sensor. I pray that the real agenda of L-Mount alliance is to create Foeveon sensor camera over the board.

which might provide over the long run excellent well priced Foveon sensor cameras and finally people realizing the limitations of Bayer sensor as a problem.

I would have to state that as my gear list suggest many time over I preferred Sigma cameras over Bayer sensor as a loyal brand user. But finally I had to settle with Sony A7R2 as I started night time-lapse photography.

Guctony said:

I think Sigma is in a crossroad and so we are.

Up to now Sigma tried to create a Legacy with Foveon sensor and tried to achieve niche market segment position which Foveon sensors deserve. But I feel market realities and under dogging the Sigma system by big players and content creators bring a reality for all Foveon sensor users.

Even though I do not expect sigma kill Foveon sensor cameras but I am afraid it will become less and less common if specially Sigma succeeds by their Bayer sensor line of cameras and to reach to a level of recognition by main stream players and content creators.

The signs are there. For me DP series cameras were more innovative then FP and end results were very effective with the limitations of film area cameras and functionalities. But never get recognition by mainstream.

I should give my respect to Sigma for their long time devotion and persistence to be committed to foveon sensor cameras.

Yes I do expect Sigma to go FF with foveon cameras but I am afraid it will be expansive to most us to reach any more. as now they are creating a new line of camera sets probably Foveon sensor cameras will be way higher in food chain. For sure it deserves such a place but little depressing to feel it coming.

So my proposal for the future of Foveon and Sigma will be a more radical solution. To go medium format as soon as possible before this niche area completely occupied.

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Interesting proposal.

I don't think it's wise for Sigma to make such a move though.

Sigma has limited resources & must decide where to direct them.

They just joined the L-Mount alliance and will be making lenses for it & for Sony... and maybe Canon and Nikon mirrorless. The fixed R&D and machining costs can be spread across multiple lens mounts.

To introduce a medium format camera, they will have to develop a full line of medium format lenses.

So they'd be taking a camera that was already a niche camera - Foveon - and making it even more niche (medium format).

I actually quite like they idea of a "dp" series medium format Foveon - give me a wide aperture portrait appropriate prime and I will 100% buy it. Other people will buy wide angle versions for landscape.

But an interchangeable lens medium format camera.... I just don't see it being practical for Sigma.

For Fuji it was a smart move - leapfrog the Canon, Sony and Nikon full frame mirrorless brands & own a niche. But even they were conservative when it came to the sensor - Bayer not X-Trans.

The cameras and lenses are expensive - and likely because they know they won't sell in huge numbers, so they have to amortize the costs across fewer users.

So a medium format Foveon would be expensive - few people would buy it, the lenses would be expensive. And all of that goes against Sigma's core philosophy of producing high quality, reasonably priced equipment.

Their stated goal with Foveon has always been "medium format quality". Funny now that there's a medium format camera that's getting a lot of buzz we're all wondering if it's even 36+megapixel "full frame" quality.

Guctony said:

I feel that a not so high pixel resolution medium format Foveon sensor is the future for Sigma. Where foveon can benefit from large pixels to gather enough information without too much noise. Where it might attract the Studio shooters with Flash and studio lighting environment where the noise problem of the Foveon sensor becomes less of a issue. Where Sigma can create excellent medium format lenses to reach even larger and rich professional photographers to provide art series lens to the most of the medium format cameras available in market.

I think such camera if succeeds can secure the life of Foveon sensor for us. As I don't see a bright future for FF foveon sensor where it is very easy for mega brands to out maneuver Sigma.

Only commercial success could come to Foveon if we ever see a Leica or Panasonic camera with Foveon sensor. I pray that the real agenda of L-Mount alliance is to create Foeveon sensor camera over the board.

which might provide over the long run excellent well priced Foveon sensor cameras and finally people realizing the limitations of Bayer sensor as a problem.

I would have to state that as my gear list suggest many time over I preferred Sigma cameras over Bayer sensor as a loyal brand user. But finally I had to settle with Sony A7R2 as I started night time-lapse photography.

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Roger said:

What Sigma needs is a fp with tilt screen a viewfinder and pop up flash like the DP2x.

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If a EVF it it should be modular. Pop-up flash, no thanks. The EF-140 is a better option.

Roger said:

2 fp with a 24-70 zoom and a 70-105 would be nice but I don't think it will happen.

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No thanks. If there should be dp cameras then it should be with fixed primes.

Roger said:

As for price $800 USD t0 $1000 USD

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This price do not make sense with an FF sensor. Seriously!

Hornbrille said:

• Mechanical Shutter
• Hotshoe + PC-socket
• Square design, heatsink and tripod sockets of the FP

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Would be interesting to see a camera with dual battery setup. One in the body and one in the normal grip. Not talking about extra vertical grip. Doubt it is going to happen, but as most MILC cameras do struggle with battery life, it could be an option.

Hornbrille said:

• More dynamic range
• 16 bit raw

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I suspect this will be difficult (larger DR) due to physics given the design of the sensor. But perhaps they have come up with some clever ideas.

Hornbrille said:

• Faster AF
• Big Touchscreen

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3" is enough for me, why something bigger?

Hornbrille said:

• No video

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Yes, no video

Hornbrille said:

• IBIS

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I doubt this, but let's see

Hornbrille said:

• 4:3 Format

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As an option? Does not make sense to not have 3:2 when the sensor is 3:2. I don't like 4:3, but nice to have option you can set like there already is in dp quattro. 16:9, 7:6, 1:1 etc... I miss 5:4 so hope they can add this.

Hornbrille said:

• Wifi tethering

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Come on. wifi as well? are you going to get batteries from Chernobyl? Big screen, Foveon FF sensor, IBIS, wifi. I do not want to go back to the Merrill battery life...

Hornbrille said:

• Focus + exposure bracketing

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Stacked focus would be nice.

Why? Monochrome for video?

Lin Evans said:

docmaas said:

The biggest positive for the FP for me is the size. That's really pretty much it.

However I suspect most would agree the size, very close to a dp merrill is a positive what to you think is unnecessary in the FP that can be eliminated in the Foveon and what do you think needs to be added?

I have two initial thoughts. First is a movable lcd screen that at the very least tilts up and down and maybe even to "selfie" mode 90 degrees up but the more flexibility the better. Second an electronic view finder located centrally or preferably on the right side of the camera.

As far as what can be dropped all but minimal video and maybe even no video at all. I'm not sure the apparently adopted from Panasonic focus system is any advantage and would like to see something better. I'd like to see a mechanical shutter as well.

I'd really like to see the body be in the same size range as the FP and hope with the new heat sink tech that will be possible.

What to you want to see added or dropped for the upcoming Foveon camera?

BTW Sony is coming up with some big announcements soon including an A6500 successor. We appear to be in the midst of another big technological tidal change.

Mike

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Seems people might be missing the entire point of this camera. Perhaps an EVF would be useful, but this is indeed a video-oriented tool and apparently designed very well for that purpose. The mechanical shutter is really not all that important for video since all the major cameras which use video do not use a mechanical shutter even for time-lapse. The wear and tear is just too much. I have an excellent Nikon 1V which has both a mechanical and electronic shutter and I see very little difference in the IQ regardless of which I select. Both are very, very good.

I think the FP is essentially a video tool which "can" do stills, but it's definitely oriented for really good video captures. Maybe we should wait and see just what it can do before asking for things such as phase detection focusing which is of little importance in video. Just some thoughts..

Best regards,

Lin

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Exactly

saltydogstudios said:

Guctony said:

I think Sigma is in a crossroad and so we are.

Up to now Sigma tried to create a Legacy with Foveon sensor and tried to achieve niche market segment position which Foveon sensors deserve. But I feel market realities and under dogging the Sigma system by big players and content creators bring a reality for all Foveon sensor users.

Even though I do not expect sigma kill Foveon sensor cameras but I am afraid it will become less and less common if specially Sigma succeeds by their Bayer sensor line of cameras and to reach to a level of recognition by main stream players and content creators.

The signs are there. For me DP series cameras were more innovative then FP and end results were very effective with the limitations of film area cameras and functionalities. But never get recognition by mainstream.

I should give my respect to Sigma for their long time devotion and persistence to be committed to foveon sensor cameras.

Yes I do expect Sigma to go FF with foveon cameras but I am afraid it will be expansive to most us to reach any more. as now they are creating a new line of camera sets probably Foveon sensor cameras will be way higher in food chain. For sure it deserves such a place but little depressing to feel it coming.

So my proposal for the future of Foveon and Sigma will be a more radical solution. To go medium format as soon as possible before this niche area completely occupied.

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Interesting proposal.

I don't think it's wise for Sigma to make such a move though.

Sigma has limited resources & must decide where to direct them.

They just joined the L-Mount alliance and will be making lenses for it & for Sony... and maybe Canon and Nikon mirrorless. The fixed R&D and machining costs can be spread across multiple lens mounts.

To introduce a medium format camera, they will have to develop a full line of medium format lenses.

So they'd be taking a camera that was already a niche camera - Foveon - and making it even more niche (medium format).

I actually quite like they idea of a "dp" series medium format Foveon - give me a wide aperture portrait appropriate prime and I will 100% buy it. Other people will buy wide angle versions for landscape.

But an interchangeable lens medium format camera.... I just don't see it being practical for Sigma.

For Fuji it was a smart move - leapfrog the Canon, Sony and Nikon full frame mirrorless brands & own a niche. But even they were conservative when it came to the sensor - Bayer not X-Trans.

The cameras and lenses are expensive - and likely because they know they won't sell in huge numbers, so they have to amortize the costs across fewer users.

So a medium format Foveon would be expensive - few people would buy it, the lenses would be expensive. And all of that goes against Sigma's core philosophy of producing high quality, reasonably priced equipment.

Their stated goal with Foveon has always been "medium format quality". Funny now that there's a medium format camera that's getting a lot of buzz we're all wondering if it's even 36+megapixel "full frame" quality.

saltydogstudios said:

I feel that a not so high pixel resolution medium format Foveon sensor is the future for Sigma. Where foveon can benefit from large pixels to gather enough information without too much noise. Where it might attract the Studio shooters with Flash and studio lighting environment where the noise problem of the Foveon sensor becomes less of a issue. Where Sigma can create excellent medium format lenses to reach even larger and rich professional photographers to provide art series lens to the most of the medium format cameras available in market.

I think such camera if succeeds can secure the life of Foveon sensor for us. As I don't see a bright future for FF foveon sensor where it is very easy for mega brands to out maneuver Sigma.

Only commercial success could come to Foveon if we ever see a Leica or Panasonic camera with Foveon sensor. I pray that the real agenda of L-Mount alliance is to create Foeveon sensor camera over the board.

which might provide over the long run excellent well priced Foveon sensor cameras and finally people realizing the limitations of Bayer sensor as a problem.

I would have to state that as my gear list suggest many time over I preferred Sigma cameras over Bayer sensor as a loyal brand user. But finally I had to settle with Sony A7R2 as I started night time-lapse photography.

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You are most correct with limited resources that Sigma has but I still feel in the long run this might be the only way to keep foveon sensor alive unless they start to provide foveon sensor to different camera manufacturers.

I would hope somewhere in Sigma think tank there is a sketch or feasibility study for medium format. As current trend is bigger is better for camera.

FF Foveon fp- keep the modularity, possibly design a EVF clip on, although the slide in viewfinder is fine for me.

FF Foveon DP series please SIGMA, especially the DP0- keep the modularity and allow for the same viewfinder on all bodies.

I think with this level of modularity, you could even see a small shift/ tilt adaptor to allow for wide angle/ close up corrections and distortions for the fp.

At this point, and I hope I'm wrong, the modularity and diminutive size of the fp in either Foveon or Bayer incarnations, seems to indicate, with the appropriate lens releases, that a DP series isn't on the cards.

I like the concept of a minimalistic modular core camera like the fp approaches for video, but in a body tweaked similarly to favour stills.

Everything could be expandable, only for the functions and people that need them. Have a new standard interface and 2 or 3 ports for that, that give electronic access to functionalities that Sigma or 3rd parties may think of post-launh, and foster a serious development community. That will expand the market and awareness as independent developers narrow-channel demand-generation activities to markets Sigma could never feasibly address.

Big tiltable touch screen viewfinder should be optional (external): standard review display should be reasonable, low-energy, good static contrast, with UI permitting quick-touch configurable zoom %, plus focus peaking.

Requires PC synch and at least one hot shoe (no built-in flash).

External body LCD readout like SD14 (sometimes it's a real PITA to access the viewfinder, and a full external display can be too bright. Suggest day/night mode organic LED for low energy drain and very dark display, even an 'always on' mode).

Make the internal processing pipeline able to support rapid review and interaction with finished images concurrent with processing other images. In other words, if I auto bracket, after image 1 is completed, I can easily interact with it (check focus, histogram, etc).

Generic re-assignable controls like some SD1 functions.

Heatpipes, and possibly an extension for external sinks/cooling.

2:3 traditional ratio

16:9 support (same planned FF sensor, just adding UI framing, histogram and image output option from thecquick-set menu).

Just deliver the best DR Sigma can without chasing the impractal, but having sufficient bit-depth for internal processing and file pipeline is critical. If only 14-bit is needed, then use that, but not if it chokes the gamut for processing the available colour models.

Tethering is an established standard to support, but cabled tethering will suffice. Not everyone needs tethered WiFi: an external transceiver could be optional if enough people need it, to accommodate typical data exchanges, such as GPS, tethering and file transfer, flash triggering, etc.

I don't know the resource impact to Sigma for adding IBIS, but since these sensors definitely eat light for breakfast, IBIS would be great, and reduce the need for heavier optics across an entire field kit.

Weather sealing.

Fast accurate AF.

If it's practicable, focus and exposure stack facilitation would be nice.

DNG, X3F, JPG output, plus any 2 of those three formats configurable by menu for file output to card.

I will rebuy whatever storage format Sigma chooses to support if it can be made to be quick.

I would like to have app for all functions.

For all other stuff I need to have it in my hands to make a judgement.

They will not change anyting.

The hardware is as it is when it will be on sale in Autumn.

Prpbaly it is even already in production

They will now develop a stable Firmware.

My wishes are some really small lenses to have a small system. I do not want to handle a 35mm F1.2 with this camera.

docmaas said:

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I'll leave it entirely to Sigma.