1Ds price drop soon (I hope)?

Richard Fisher · Oct 6, 2003

Now that Canon has dropped the MAP on the 1D by 25% AND some stores are offering the 1Ds at $7,200 (vs $7,999 MAP), AND a new serious 1D (or similar) due in the next month or two, will the price of the 1Ds drop.

I was close to purchasing 1DS (first DSLR) last week, but decided to postpone it since I do not need it immediately.

Wondering if I am being realistic or foolish?

Will Perlis · Oct 6, 2003

It depends on what actually shows up for delivery, right? In any event, I too can easily wait a month or three to find out.

Richard Fisher said:
Now that Canon has dropped the MAP on the 1D by 25% AND some stores
are offering the 1Ds at $7,200 (vs $7,999 MAP), AND a new serious
1D (or similar) due in the next month or two, will the price of the
1Ds drop.

I was close to purchasing 1DS (first DSLR) last week, but decided
to postpone it since I do not need it immediately.

Wondering if I am being realistic or foolish?

Thomas Gardner · Oct 6, 2003

Richard Fisher said:
Now that Canon has dropped the MAP on the 1D by 25% AND some stores
are offering the 1Ds at $7,200 (vs $7,999 MAP), AND a new serious
1D (or similar) due in the next month or two, will the price of the
1Ds drop.

I was close to purchasing 1DS (first DSLR) last week, but decided
to postpone it since I do not need it immediately.

Wondering if I am being realistic or foolish?

You're being very realistic in your assumptions. Why? Who would have thought that Canon was going to put out a 10D at over half the price of the D30? And who would have thought that Canon would have dropped the price of the 1D by $800.00 (US)?

There's no reason, based upon past Canon behavior, to believe that Canon won't be replacing the 1Ds in the very near future at a price that's half of what the 1Ds is currently selling for.

Example; DVD player first hit the stores at some $1,200.00 (US). DVD players are currently selling for about $89.00 (US). That's less then is cost to have your VHS tape player looked at for repairs ten years ago. Ten years ago, the repair facilities wanted up to $135.00 just to look at the sucker and give you a repair estimate.

Yes, the price and feature set of the 1Ds will be coming down to a price in the $3,500.00 (US) arena.

Are you being foolish, only if you need the sensor body now. If you have a bank for the green and a working D-SLR now, waiting is a good thing. Figure that you'll have to wait as long as PMA 2004 and then a few months more until the announced sensor bodies start shipping.

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Ken Phillips · Oct 6, 2003

... since they were introduced! I paid about $5400 and $4700 for mine!
KP

Thomas Gardner said:
Richard Fisher said:

Now that Canon has dropped the MAP on the 1D by 25% AND some stores
are offering the 1Ds at $7,200 (vs $7,999 MAP), AND a new serious
1D (or similar) due in the next month or two, will the price of the
1Ds drop.

I was close to purchasing 1DS (first DSLR) last week, but decided
to postpone it since I do not need it immediately.

Wondering if I am being realistic or foolish?

Click to expand...

You're being very realistic in your assumptions. Why? Who would
have thought that Canon was going to put out a 10D at over half the
price of the D30? And who would have thought that Canon would have
dropped the price of the 1D by $800.00 (US)?

There's no reason, based upon past Canon behavior, to believe that
Canon won't be replacing the 1Ds in the very near future at a price
that's half of what the 1Ds is currently selling for.

Example; DVD player first hit the stores at some $1,200.00 (US).
DVD players are currently selling for about $89.00 (US). That's
less then is cost to have your VHS tape player looked at for
repairs ten years ago. Ten years ago, the repair facilities wanted
up to $135.00 just to look at the sucker and give you a repair
estimate.

Yes, the price and feature set of the 1Ds will be coming down to a
price in the $3,500.00 (US) arena.

Are you being foolish, only if you need the sensor body now. If
you have a bank for the green and a working D-SLR now, waiting is a
good thing. Figure that you'll have to wait as long as PMA 2004
and then a few months more until the announced sensor bodies start
shipping.

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If you don't want to believe me, ignore me

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'Don't hope your pictures will 'turn out' ... make them good to begin with'. Oft said by my late father.
http://www.ahomls.com/gallery.htm

Philip K · Oct 6, 2003

Thomas Gardner said:
There's no reason, based upon past Canon behavior, to believe that
Canon won't be replacing the 1Ds in the very near future at a price
that's half of what the 1Ds is currently selling for.

There is no history of Canon's behavior with their PROFESSIONAL line except that they waited THREE and 1/2 YEARS between the EOS-D2000 and the EOS 1D.

The history you are talking about is PROSUMER. Canon treats the professional customers differently in the film world, ie. less frequent upgrades. I would expect the same with digital but since there is NO HISTORY, who knows?

Check out this link.

Philip

http://www.ac.aup.fr/~a31659/digcam/product.htm

Canon's EOS-1D is the first professional digital SLR from Canon since the EOS-D2000 (introduced in March 1998 which was a collaborative effort with Kodak, also known as the Kodak DCS 520).

Indeed, the EOS-1D is the first all Canon professional digital SLR. Canon themselves admit that after the EOS-D2000 they were caught dragging their heels somewhat when Nikon released the D1 but believe that they are coming back strong with the 4 megapixel 8 fps EOS-1D.

Philip K · Oct 6, 2003

I should have added that the only history is of price drops and not model changes.

There is a history of Canon dropping their PROFESSIONAL prices to match or beat competitors. Once we get a real 12MP competitor, the 1Ds will drop in price.

Philip

Thomas Gardner · Oct 6, 2003

Philip K said:
There is no history of Canon's behavior with their PROFESSIONAL
line except that they waited THREE and 1/2 YEARS between the
EOS-D2000 and the EOS 1D.

And they waited less then two years between the 1D and the 1Ds as they developed, announced and shipped the D30 --> D60 --> 10D, halved the price of the D30/10D, which is used professionally by many PJ's/studio photographers and the price of the 1D has been almost halved since it's delivery to the world.

Yes there is a hisotry by Canon

Philip K said:
The history you are talking about is PROSUMER. Canon treats the
professional customers differently in the film world, ie. less
frequent upgrades. I would expect the same with digital but since
there is NO HISTORY, who knows?

It seems that you've missed the history as it is currently happening.

Philip K said:
http://www.ac.aup.fr/~a31659/digcam/product.htm

Canon's EOS-1D is the first professional digital SLR from Canon
since the EOS-D2000 (introduced in March 1998 which was a
collaborative effort with Kodak, also known as the Kodak DCS 520).

And how many sensor bodies has Canon introduced since? Also didn't Canon just open their very own CMOS plant. A lot has happened and changed since five and a half years ago in 1998.

Philip K said:
Indeed, the EOS-1D is the first all Canon professional digital SLR.
Canon themselves admit that after the EOS-D2000 they were caught
dragging their heels somewhat when Nikon released the D1 but
believe that they are coming back strong with the 4 megapixel 8 fps
EOS-1D.

Coming back strong? That's a two year comeback. We're talking the slowest comeback in retail history folks

I think you're not giving Canon enough credit where credit is due. Taking into consideration the amount of technology that's packed into a D30/1D sensor body, I'd say that Canon has been moving along quite smartly in the last three years. In the short span of three years we've had, again, the D30/D60/10D, the 300D aaaaaaan the 1D/1Ds. Not to mention the lenses that have been announced over the same time frame. That's a lot of pistole in my book

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Philip K · Oct 6, 2003

Thomas Gardner said:
And they waited less then two years between the 1D and the 1Ds as
they developed, announced and shipped the D30 --> D60 --> 10D,
halved the price of the D30/10D, which is used professionally by
many PJ's/studio photographers and the price of the 1D has been
almost halved since it's delivery to the world.

Yes there is a hisotry by Canon

The 1Ds was not a replacement for the 1D. Thus there is no history of when Nikon replaces professional digital models. The 1D and 1Ds are primarily marketed to professionals though some amatuers have bought them.

It is true many studios use the D30/10D professionally. It is also true than many pros use Elan bodies. However, that is not the main market for them. They are marketed primarily to amatuers.

Philip

Enough said!

Ken Phillips · Oct 6, 2003

As the 1D/1Ds aren't Nikon cameras.
KP

Philip K said:
Thomas Gardner said:

And they waited less then two years between the 1D and the 1Ds as
they developed, announced and shipped the D30 --> D60 --> 10D,
halved the price of the D30/10D, which is used professionally by
many PJ's/studio photographers and the price of the 1D has been
almost halved since it's delivery to the world.

Yes there is a hisotry by Canon

Click to expand...

The 1Ds was not a replacement for the 1D. Thus there is no history
of when Nikon replaces professional digital models. The 1D and 1Ds
are primarily marketed to professionals though some amatuers have
bought them.

It is true many studios use the D30/10D professionally. It is also
true than many pros use Elan bodies. However, that is not the main
market for them. They are marketed primarily to amatuers.

Philip

Enough said!

--

'Don't hope your pictures will 'turn out' ... make them good to begin with'. Oft said by my late father.
http://www.ahomls.com/gallery.htm

Philip K · Oct 6, 2003

Ken Phillips said:
As the 1D/1Ds aren't Nikon cameras.

I use both Nikon and Canon professionally, so it was a easly slip.

Still my point was that Canon is a bit slower with making changes to their professiona line than their prosumer line.

There is better than a 75% chance that the 1D will be replaced at PMA 2004. However, there is about a zero percent chance that they will replace the 1Ds at that time or combine the two models.

Philip

Richard Fisher · Oct 6, 2003

How do arrive at these probabilities. You opinion or based upon industry analyis or insider info?

Philip K said:
Ken Phillips wrote:
There is better than a 75% chance that the 1D will be replaced at
PMA 2004. However, there is about a zero percent chance that they
will replace the 1Ds at that time or combine the two models.

Philip

JimDandy · Oct 6, 2003

I have a 10D and I love the camera. Nonetheless, I would like the Rolls Royce of digital cameras. The 1Ds is NOT without fault!!!! Anyone who is interested in buying the 1Ds, like myself, should wait a few months. There are inherent problems with the 1Ds that are not problems with the 10D. CA is a concern with the 1Ds, as well as noise at ISOs faster than 200. These are not issues with the 10D.

IMHO, I am more than patient to wait a couple of months to see what is coming from Canon. We may get a great camera and half the price! Stay tuned.

Jim.

Dave Miner · Oct 6, 2003

Richard Fisher said:
Now that Canon has dropped the MAP on the 1D by 25% AND some stores
are offering the 1Ds at $7,200 (vs $7,999 MAP), AND a new serious
1D (or similar) due in the next month or two, will the price of the
1Ds drop.

I was close to purchasing 1DS (first DSLR) last week, but decided
to postpone it since I do not need it immediately.

Wondering if I am being realistic or foolish?

aaugusto66 · Oct 6, 2003

Not necessarely..

1Ds sits in a class on its own.

Price drop on 1D was done likely to address the D2H, which will be offered in the US$3.2K ballpark, and it is clearly designed to compete with the 1D. I do not think this price battle necessarily means that there is a 1D replacement around the corner. Most likely it is just that, a marketing strategy.

Richard Fisher · Oct 6, 2003

Dave Miner said:
Richard Fisher said:

Now that Canon has dropped the MAP on the 1D by 25% AND some stores
are offering the 1Ds at $7,200 (vs $7,999 MAP), AND a new serious
1D (or similar) due in the next month or two, will the price of the
1Ds drop.

I was close to purchasing 1DS (first DSLR) last week, but decided
to postpone it since I do not need it immediately.

Wondering if I am being realistic or foolish?

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palu · Oct 6, 2003

Richard Fisher said:
Now that Canon has dropped the MAP on the 1D by 25%

Here in Germany the 1d actually costs 2999 Euros minus the 500 Euro cashback by purchasing a L lens at the same time, which is a very good price for this camera. Two month before we had a price at 3999 Euros. In comparisation with the us price you have to remember that we have 16 percent tax on every hardware.

I'll have an interview with a cps-dealer tomorrow and I hope to get some info about when the new canon will be announced. Think it will be soon and canon has to clean the stores from the old stuff.
Kind regards
Patrick

Robert Bedwell · Oct 6, 2003

I don't know about a price drop on a 1DS anytime soon. Price is influenced by competition. Where's the competition? It certainly is not the Kodak 14N. If Nikon introduced a D3X with 14 mp and was based on a pro body at $5000 then you would see a price drop on the 1DS.

Bob

Thomas Gardner said:
Richard Fisher said:

Now that Canon has dropped the MAP on the 1D by 25% AND some stores
are offering the 1Ds at $7,200 (vs $7,999 MAP), AND a new serious
1D (or similar) due in the next month or two, will the price of the
1Ds drop.

I was close to purchasing 1DS (first DSLR) last week, but decided
to postpone it since I do not need it immediately.

Wondering if I am being realistic or foolish?

Click to expand...

You're being very realistic in your assumptions. Why? Who would
have thought that Canon was going to put out a 10D at over half the
price of the D30? And who would have thought that Canon would have
dropped the price of the 1D by $800.00 (US)?

There's no reason, based upon past Canon behavior, to believe that
Canon won't be replacing the 1Ds in the very near future at a price
that's half of what the 1Ds is currently selling for.

Example; DVD player first hit the stores at some $1,200.00 (US).
DVD players are currently selling for about $89.00 (US). That's
less then is cost to have your VHS tape player looked at for
repairs ten years ago. Ten years ago, the repair facilities wanted
up to $135.00 just to look at the sucker and give you a repair
estimate.

Yes, the price and feature set of the 1Ds will be coming down to a
price in the $3,500.00 (US) arena.

Are you being foolish, only if you need the sensor body now. If
you have a bank for the green and a working D-SLR now, waiting is a
good thing. Figure that you'll have to wait as long as PMA 2004
and then a few months more until the announced sensor bodies start
shipping.

--
If you don't want to believe me, ignore me

JJGP · Oct 7, 2003

currency exchange. So Canon USA dropped the price of the 1D (although I'm not looking to buy 1D but 1Ds) to $3000. Let's face it: Everything that comes to Canada comes from the US as far as photography is concerned. The Canadian dollar worth about .7455 of US dollar. Pulling out my calculator, the 1D should be selling for approx $4023.00 in Canada. But, all major Canadian retailers have-m at $6200.00 or thereabouts. The 1Ds typically sells for $7000 in the US, so they should be approx $9300 in Canada, but are $10300.
What is it that I don't understand?
jules

Richard Fisher said:
Now that Canon has dropped the MAP on the 1D by 25% AND some stores
are offering the 1Ds at $7,200 (vs $7,999 MAP), AND a new serious
1D (or similar) due in the next month or two, will the price of the
1Ds drop.

I was close to purchasing 1DS (first DSLR) last week, but decided
to postpone it since I do not need it immediately.

Wondering if I am being realistic or foolish?

photo500 · Oct 7, 2003

Richard Fisher said:
Now that Canon has dropped the MAP on the 1D by 25% AND some stores
are offering the 1Ds at $7,200 (vs $7,999 MAP), AND a new serious
1D (or similar) due in the next month or two, will the price of the
1Ds drop.

I was close to purchasing 1DS (first DSLR) last week, but decided
to postpone it since I do not need it immediately.

Wondering if I am being realistic or foolish?

you are being a little foolish..ask yourself this;
is there a serious competitor for the 1D's on the market???

answer...NO, so y would canon drop the price of a camera that has no competition...save your pennies a little more

Thomas Gardner · Oct 7, 2003

JJGP said:
What is it that I don't understand?

Maybe if Canada shipped more oil to Japan and wasn't so tight with their resourses, Japan might have a change of heart in the pricing practices towards Canadian photographers

I really believe that if you picked up a garbage film body, brought it down to the US, left it as a donation somewhere and came back home with a brand spanking new 1D from a Detroit camera shop, the Mounties wouldn't notice

I know I'd being making a day trip South if that was the only thing seperating me from a sensor body of my choice.

Need is the mother of invention and creativity is the outcome of need.

I'm down in Kal-li-forn-ia (Arnold's land), so a day trip to Mexico for prescription drugs is out of the question but those retires in Yuma, have a place in Mexico called, Los Algodones (The Cotton Ball) where they go for medical services and supplies.

http://www.losalgodones.com/map.htm

It's a ten block, shi+ city, where you save money. The point, even Americans have to do it and use the border to the South to save money, so I'm not suggesting you do anything that we're not doing ourselves.

http://www.losalgodones.com/map.htm
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