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stanton said:
So let me ask you, hypothetically...
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The truth of the matter is as a system builder, and PC enthusiast, I fully understand the need for newer more compatible software, and make sure I'm reasonably updated. I also fully understand I run the risk of issues the longer I hold on to dead unsupported software.

Anyway I'd understand your argument if this was a 5 year old program, but a 12 year old program 10 versions behind.... sorry, but you're being extremely unreasonable.
stanton said:
And it's not that I don't have an ongoing CC subscription, I do. But I also have a PERMANENT AND PERPETUAL LICENSE for an earlier version that I should be able to uninstall and reinstall and use at will.
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I've got PS versions going all the way back to Photoshop 5. Doesn't mean I seriously expect Adobe to support it because I also understand the software is old. Thus why I have PS & LR CC.

Movin' on. Peace:)
 
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Well, considering the fact that I'm not a professional photographer but a professional graphic designer, I fall somewhere in between when it comes to editing photos. I have intermediate-to-expert skills in Photoshop (Illustrator's my forte), so I have more knowledge and skills than the average amateur hobby photographer when it comes to the software. Photography itself, though, I'll fully admit my skills are basic but I do know how to frame a decent shot and to always be aware of lighting (wife gets tired of me telling her and the kids to switch positions with me so the sun's behind me).

I don't have money rolling in, so I'm not interested in spending hundreds of dollars for what amounts to mostly global color/exposure corrections to my RAW files. In all likelihood, I'm going to give Affinity a real shot with PhotoLab behind it. I can't remember if Affinity is destructive or not, but not that it matters because I always copy my RAW files to a different folder containing my best shots and converting just those while still keeping the originals, so that's a moot point.

Thanks again everyone! Now hoping I can land the OM-D E-M10 II for a good deal. I might need a new grill or printer before that, though...*sigh* priorities in life!
 
It's your decision, but first you might want to read this thread about Affinity's Raw conversion. Read to the end, or start near the end, because Affinity Raw conversion did improve.

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4258094

With an M43 camera, noise reduction of DxO PhotoLab seems valuable, or you can continue to use ACR. Affinity is primarily a raster editor. As is GIMP, which is free. Being inspired by Photoshop, it might make an easy transition for you. Even 10 years ago, I found GIMP superior to CS2 in performance and stability. It's even better now. On the other hand, Affinity is inexpensive and well supported.
SerenityNOW said:
Well, considering the fact that I'm not a professional photographer but a professional graphic designer, I fall somewhere in between when it comes to editing photos. I have intermediate-to-expert skills in Photoshop (Illustrator's my forte), so I have more knowledge and skills than the average amateur hobby photographer when it comes to the software. Photography itself, though, I'll fully admit my skills are basic but I do know how to frame a decent shot and to always be aware of lighting (wife gets tired of me telling her and the kids to switch positions with me so the sun's behind me).

I don't have money rolling in, so I'm not interested in spending hundreds of dollars for what amounts to mostly global color/exposure corrections to my RAW files. In all likelihood, I'm going to give Affinity a real shot with PhotoLab behind it. I can't remember if Affinity is destructive or not, but not that it matters because I always copy my RAW files to a different folder containing my best shots and converting just those while still keeping the originals, so that's a moot point.

Thanks again everyone! Now hoping I can land the OM-D E-M10 II for a good deal. I might need a new grill or printer before that, though...*sigh* priorities in life!
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sygnus21 said:
stanton said:
So let me ask you, hypothetically...
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The truth of the matter is as a system builder, and PC enthusiast, I fully understand the need for newer more compatible software, and make sure I'm reasonably updated. I also fully understand I run the risk of issues the longer I hold on to dead unsupported software.

Anyway I'd understand your argument if this was a 5 year old program, but a 12 year old program 10 versions behind.... sorry, but you're being extremely unreasonable.
Member said:
And it's not that I don't have an ongoing CC subscription, I do. But I also have a PERMANENT AND PERPETUAL LICENSE for an earlier version that I should be able to uninstall and reinstall and use at will.
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I've got PS versions going all the way back to Photoshop 5. Doesn't mean I seriously expect Adobe to support it because I also understand the software is old. Thus why I have PS & LR CC.

Movin' on. Peace:)
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I will respectfully continue to disagree. One year. 5 years. 12 Years. 50 years. What does it matter if the software continues to play well with the hardware on which it is installed and the license purchased has no expiration point. "Support" is one thing. Continuation with use is quite another.

At this moment I too have PS and LRCC . But honestly the new features in PS, while nice are unnecceary for my needs. LR... with the exception of being able to create camera profiles is a totally unneccesary as I maintain Capture One Pro which I've used for almost 20 years and I find superior to LR and never had the need to learn the LR interface. So why do I now have to be held hostage financially forever as my 34 year career fades into the sunset and my needs and frequency of use are much less than previously?
 
Your needs look very basic. Why not use the software that came with you camera?
 
BillyBobSenna said:
Your needs look very basic. Why not use the software that came with you camera?
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My day job is graphic design, so I'm very familiar and comfortable with Photoshop and all the tools that it comes with. While I may generally do mostly just cropping and global color/exposure corrections, I also do some re-touching at times (like removing a stray bug that mars an otherwise great pic).

Also, I'm a PC builder and like to have a great amount control over what goes on my PC and what doesn't. Most software bundled with camera may do a serviceable job for some light editing, but not the kind of RAW editing that I enjoy. The software tends to fit in the "bloatware" category for me and I don't bother installing those.

I like being able to tweak my photos right down to the nitty-gritty stuff sometimes.
 
I may be doing something wrong. Just opening the raw file is very slow compared to popping open a jpeg. Shooting in clubs make exposure and light control virtually impossible. So I end up needing to tweek every shot a little differently. Not much, but I can see the difference too easily.

Paul Stricklin
 
LR6 + CS2 would be cost effective and give you the best of both worlds - LR for your main editing and DAM, with CS2 for bitmappy stuff like cloning.

Integation should be seamless allowing you to ‘round trip’ from LR and back via an automatically generated TIFF file. I’ve used LR6 + CS5 in this configuration for several years to edit / manage 40,000 images.

The only downside as you have pointed out is lack of updates for LR6.

--
Mike
http://flickr.com/photos/rc-soar
 
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SerenityNOW said:
BillyBobSenna said:
Your needs look very basic. Why not use the software that came with you camera?
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My day job is graphic design, so I'm very familiar and comfortable with Photoshop and all the tools that it comes with. While I may generally do mostly just cropping and global color/exposure corrections, I also do some re-touching at times (like removing a stray bug that mars an otherwise great pic).

Also, I'm a PC builder and like to have a great amount control over what goes on my PC and what doesn't. Most software bundled with camera may do a serviceable job for some light editing, but not the kind of RAW editing that I enjoy. The software tends to fit in the "bloatware" category for me and I don't bother installing those.

I like being able to tweak my photos right down to the nitty-gritty stuff sometimes.
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In that case, get the Adobe photography subscription.
 
BillyBobSenna said:
SerenityNOW said:
BillyBobSenna said:
Your needs look very basic. Why not use the software that came with you camera?
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My day job is graphic design, so I'm very familiar and comfortable with Photoshop and all the tools that it comes with. While I may generally do mostly just cropping and global color/exposure corrections, I also do some re-touching at times (like removing a stray bug that mars an otherwise great pic).

Also, I'm a PC builder and like to have a great amount control over what goes on my PC and what doesn't. Most software bundled with camera may do a serviceable job for some light editing, but not the kind of RAW editing that I enjoy. The software tends to fit in the "bloatware" category for me and I don't bother installing those.

I like being able to tweak my photos right down to the nitty-gritty stuff sometimes.
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In that case, get the Adobe photography subscription.
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No way I'm subscribing! I get it that Adobe did that to generate insane revenue, but as a home consumer, it's pointless. I don't want to be subscribing my life to Adobe, Netflix, Amazon, etc...

Next thing you know, we'll subscribe to Trump for the right to live in America!
 
SerenityNOW said:
Next thing you know, we'll subscribe to Trump for the right to live in America!
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No, we won't need to pay Trump for the right to live here.

However, just about every country in the world charges "subscription fees". They're called "taxes." Cheat on your taxes, and they won't throw you out of the country, but they might put you up in the "Crossbar Hotel".

:-P
 
SerenityNOW said:
BillyBobSenna said:
SerenityNOW said:
BillyBobSenna said:
Your needs look very basic. Why not use the software that came with you camera?
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My day job is graphic design, so I'm very familiar and comfortable with Photoshop and all the tools that it comes with. While I may generally do mostly just cropping and global color/exposure corrections, I also do some re-touching at times (like removing a stray bug that mars an otherwise great pic).

Also, I'm a PC builder and like to have a great amount control over what goes on my PC and what doesn't. Most software bundled with camera may do a serviceable job for some light editing, but not the kind of RAW editing that I enjoy. The software tends to fit in the "bloatware" category for me and I don't bother installing those.

I like being able to tweak my photos right down to the nitty-gritty stuff sometimes.
Click to expand...
In that case, get the Adobe photography subscription.
Click to expand...
No way I'm subscribing! I get it that Adobe did that to generate insane revenue, but as a home consumer, it's pointless. I don't want to be subscribing my life to Adobe, Netflix, Amazon, etc...

Next thing you know, we'll subscribe to Trump for the right to live in America!
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Ok, everyone’s value equation is different. Good luck.
 
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