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Sara Valentine
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Gotcha. Thanks.
So today i've shot some pictures inside but with bright light outside, to save the highlights i've compensated for that and i knew i could push shadows. So of course i've started to see banding 
I cant share pictures because they are personal but i wish Nikon can fix this
People are saying "expose correctly" and so on but it's not always the case, i get when shooting landscape, but when shooting people and you want to save highlights thats different thing eh Nikon why....
I cant share pictures because they are personal but i wish Nikon can fix this People are saying "expose correctly" and so on but it's not always the case, i get when shooting landscape, but when shooting people and you want to save highlights thats different thing
eh Nikon why....MyRTSIII
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No wonder I never saw any banding on my A9 and A7R3 that folks are talking about here...
Wondering if that is firmware fixable through Nikon?
Wondering if that is firmware fixable through Nikon?
If you're shooting inside and your main subject is inside, why try to save the highlights outside the window? You're better off using a fill flash. Expose/meter for the outside window and use the fill flash to illuminate your subject.So today i've shot some pictures inside but with bright light outside, to save the highlights i've compensated for that and i knew i could push shadows. So of course i've started to see banding
People are saying "expose correctly" and so on but it's not always the case, i get when shooting landscape, but when shooting people and you want to save highlights thats different thing
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SaltyPeanut
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Haven't seen any yet. Fingers crossed but I rarely push like this.
Pushed more, 100% shadows & the banding is back visible. On social media or a print at normal viewing distance, doubt anyone would notice....
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Might be desired and very relevant to intent.If you're shooting inside and your main subject is inside, why try to save the highlights outside the window?So today i've shot some pictures inside but with bright light outside, to save the highlights i've compensated for that and i knew i could push shadows. So of course i've started to see banding
People are saying "expose correctly" and so on but it's not always the case, i get when shooting landscape, but when shooting people and you want to save highlights thats different thing
For example:
Interior shots for property sales
Nice View
vs
What's the view like?
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JJoyce4699
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If I was trying to make the "view" stand out, the interior would have been much darker & outside perfectly exposed. Having things balanced does not hit the goal of drawing the eye to the windows.Might be desired and very relevant to intent.If you're shooting inside and your main subject is inside, why try to save the highlights outside the window?So today i've shot some pictures inside but with bright light outside, to save the highlights i've compensated for that and i knew i could push shadows. So of course i've started to see banding
People are saying "expose correctly" and so on but it's not always the case, i get when shooting landscape, but when shooting people and you want to save highlights thats different thing
For example:
Interior shots for property sales
Nice View
vs
My eye is drawn to the plants in the this picture & they cover the window.
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The realtor preferred the interior to stand out and to also allow the person seeing it to get a feel for the view.If I was trying to make the "view" stand out, the interior would have been much darker & outside perfectly exposed.Might be desired and very relevant to intent.If you're shooting inside and your main subject is inside, why try to save the highlights outside the window?So today i've shot some pictures inside but with bright light outside, to save the highlights i've compensated for that and i knew i could push shadows. So of course i've started to see banding
People are saying "expose correctly" and so on but it's not always the case, i get when shooting landscape, but when shooting people and you want to save highlights thats different thing
For example:
Interior shots for property sales
Nice View
vs
That was not the goal
And that was closer to the goal....so perhaps the intend was better accomplished as is
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JJoyce4699
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I would have make it more like this to highlight the "Nice View" Eyes go straight to the view...The realtor preferred the interior to stand out and to also allow the person seeing it to get a feel for the view.If I was trying to make the "view" stand out, the interior would have been much darker & outside perfectly exposed.Might be desired and very relevant to intent.If you're shooting inside and your main subject is inside, why try to save the highlights outside the window?So today i've shot some pictures inside but with bright light outside, to save the highlights i've compensated for that and i knew i could push shadows. So of course i've started to see banding
People are saying "expose correctly" and so on but it's not always the case, i get when shooting landscape, but when shooting people and you want to save highlights thats different thing
For example:
Interior shots for property sales
Nice View
vs
That was not the goal
And that was closer to the goal....so perhaps the intend was better accomplished as is
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And now the inside looks gloomy. Not what you want when you're selling real estate.I would have make it more like this to highlight the "Nice View" Eyes go straight to the view...The realtor preferred the interior to stand out and to also allow the person seeing it to get a feel for the view.If I was trying to make the "view" stand out, the interior would have been much darker & outside perfectly exposed.Might be desired and very relevant to intent.If you're shooting inside and your main subject is inside, why try to save the highlights outside the window?So today i've shot some pictures inside but with bright light outside, to save the highlights i've compensated for that and i knew i could push shadows. So of course i've started to see banding
People are saying "expose correctly" and so on but it's not always the case, i get when shooting landscape, but when shooting people and you want to save highlights thats different thing
For example:
Interior shots for property sales
Nice View
vs
That was not the goal
And that was closer to the goal....so perhaps the intend was better accomplished as is
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Nice one as well and could easily meet an intent. For my taste just a hair HDR...but only a tiny bit and also shows why "trying to save the highlights outside the window" can be very usefulI would have make it more like this to highlight the "Nice View" Eyes go straight to the view...
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Starting with a low quality JPG to start was not going to result in a usable picture. This was 20sec of work & just trying to make the eyes move.Nice one as well and could easily meet an intent. For my taste just a hair HDR...but only a tiny bit and also shows why "trying to save the highlights outside the window" can be very usefulI would have make it more like this to highlight the "Nice View" Eyes go straight to the view...
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I was only pointing out in general you make a good point with that image...though it is a bit "too HDR" for my taste.Starting with a low quality JPG to start was not going to result in a usable picture.Nice one as well and could easily meet an intent. For my taste just a hair HDR...but only a tiny bit and also shows why "trying to save the highlights outside the window" can be very usefulI would have make it more like this to highlight the "Nice View" Eyes go straight to the view...
And in 20 sec it could have been a tad less HDR...though still fine as is for many...But to the actual point...shows why clipping the outside view may not be a good thing.
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My point is, If you want BOTH the window and the interior exposed closer to the same levels, just expose for the window view and use a fill flash or diffused light to brighten the exteriors and avoid any "processed" look. I would assume the purpose is to make the scene look natural. Also, the point of taking an image like this and virtually all images is to get the exposure correct or close to correct IN-CAMERA in order to do as little post-processing as possible.I was only pointing out in general you make a good point with that image...though it is a bit "too HDR" for my taste.Starting with a low quality JPG to start was not going to result in a usable picture.Nice one as well and could easily meet an intent. For my taste just a hair HDR...but only a tiny bit and also shows why "trying to save the highlights outside the window" can be very usefulI would have make it more like this to highlight the "Nice View" Eyes go straight to the view...
And in 20 sec it could have been a tad less HDR...though still fine as is for many...But to the actual point...shows why clipping the outside view may not be a good thing.
The use of light and/or modifiers (flashes, strobes, diffusers, reflectors) are crucial in scenes with dynamic range like this one. Or better yet, this could be a perfect time for image bracketing.
Also, use a wider lens. For taking images for the purpose of selling a house by it's interior, wide or ultra-wide angled lenses makes the room more grand. Using not wide enough lenses gives you less to look at and can make a room feel claustrophobic or closed in. A room this size could benefit from a 14mm-24mm ranged lens (with emphasis on the wider end)..
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That can often lead to lots of other problems with reflection and a mismatch in lighting. Can be done but I've found often better to not use flash with large expanse interior shots. Given the characteristics of modern bodies...often much easier and more natural looking to just ETTR for for the outside window scene and adjust interior in post. With some of the older bodies...you might need to resort to artificial light as processing was more limited.
In a much closer space were light falloff isn't a problem...your suggested method can work well, IMO
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I shot Sony so my experience with Nikon ML is limited, but I have seen similar strengths on the striping on Sony cameras in a few examples when all the worse conditions lined up.
For Sony there is one online tool that can fix compressed RAW files and then the open source RAW-developer RawTherapee that can fix both compressed and uncompressed Sony RAW files. Not sure if there are such tools available (yet) for Nikon. If there aren't it isn't unlikely such will come, so don't throw affected RAW-files away - one day you might be able to fix them.
On Sony it seems some lenses are worse with this type of banding than other lenses. So maybe try to use another lens in the meantime to reduce the problem when shooting towards the light like this.
For Sony there is one online tool that can fix compressed RAW files and then the open source RAW-developer RawTherapee that can fix both compressed and uncompressed Sony RAW files. Not sure if there are such tools available (yet) for Nikon. If there aren't it isn't unlikely such will come, so don't throw affected RAW-files away - one day you might be able to fix them.
On Sony it seems some lenses are worse with this type of banding than other lenses. So maybe try to use another lens in the meantime to reduce the problem when shooting towards the light like this.
James Stirling
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Rawtherapee also has a fix for the Nikon issue [ for several months now } here is a link and a how to guide , provide by Horshack
RawTherapee Z banding removal how-to + demonstration
Here's a quick how-to guide on removing PDAF-related banding in RawTherapee 5.5, plus a demonstration of the results. Special thanks of course to pippo27 for implementing the logic! First, here's the RT setting page to enable the PDAF banding removal. Usually a +7 on the line filter works well...
As stated in yet ANOTHER thread about banding, it's more an issue with mirrorless bodies regardless of brand.
You are wrong. this banding type is an issue of Nikon Z series, mirrorless don't have this issue. so instead of reading of someone who does not understand do your own research.
Again this kind of banding that i have posted ONLY issue with Nikon Z cameras, atleast for now.
SrMi
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Banding, striping, etc are issues only on cameras with OSPDAF, not on all mirrorless cameras.
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