The photo of the dead father and daughter in the Rio Grande.

People have been drowning in the river, dying in the desert and in the backs of hot trucks for many years. All of the sudden there is outrage and a nice 8x10 glossy photo just in time for these hacks to act like they care.

The image was the essence of photography, visually conveying a powerful message.

tcg550 said:

Hello123 said:

Mark_A said:

The photo of the dead father and daughter in the Rio Grande.

There have been some comments that publications showing the photo have been disrespectful to the family of the dead.

Others have said that using such photos is essential to getting the story out, to illustrating an issue that is happening to many.

I know there are many examples of shocking photos going back in time that helped crystalise feelings towards events / wars / civilian issues.

What do you think? was it right to publish this photo?

And is there an issue that it is only poor people and usually non white people whose photos are published like this?

Mark_A

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People die every day, thousands of them. Women, children, men, grandparents, the weak, the strong, the list goes on and on. In fact, 151,600* people die each day. The ONLY reason this picture was published is that it fits the political narrative. Joseph Goebbels would be proud of how well the mass media has been used these past couples of decades.

*source https://www.ecology.com/birth-death-rates/

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But many people die needlessly and news stories with photos could be used to prevent more needless dying by bringing attention to a horrible situation.

Some people need to be shocked with photos or see something first hand in order to sway their opinion and begin to take steps to stop the dying.

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So the first step is, show this photo to the people illegally crossing the border, maybe they will stop doing risky things with small children?

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Why are photos of USA domestic gun killings not published?

There must be loads of opportunities for photos yet I don't think images are published, does anyone have a logic as to why there are photos of poor asylum seekers photos published but not domestic US gun violence victims?

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Because they are crime scenes and reporters do not access to the areas unless they are on the scene before the police. This reporter found the bodies that is why we have images of the scene.

Tell me...how many innocent people in the 30's were killed compared to today? Numbers please? Do you think more gun control is the answer? In London people are getting there heads cut off and stabbed daily...no guns allowed. Should we ban knives? How about banning cars? Maybe we should put goveners on cars in cities so they only do 5 MPG?

Agree

jerryf128 said:

Back in the 20's and 30's you could buy probably dozens of different models of guns from Sears catalog, no background check. No mass killings, no school shootings. The second amendment has nothing to do with these shootings. Society has changed. If you take guns from people, nothing is going to change. Do you really think that taking guns from people that society is going to change? More laws maybe?? Did you know it is against the law to murder people? Take all the guns from law abiding people is not the answer. Society has to change.

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while it is true that mass shootings of innocent people did not occur there was still plenty of shootings by various gangs fighting over territory and the reason that machine guns were outlawed for sale. It is a part of our history from the outlaws of the Wild West to the gangsters of the roaring twenties we have always been shooting each other. Not sure what society has to do with it but if we have to change it here are a few suggestions. Adequately fund mental health would be a good start then since society has change are gun laws need to change to reflect the new reality. No changing the law won’t stop every gun death just like wearing a seatbelt doesn’t stop every death from a car accident that’s not an excuse to do nothing but wish for a time that never really existed.

Also no one mentions the coyotes, and what they do to these children!! By allowing open boarders with no control of who comes in, this problem will continue. Congress and the president have to get together to fix this problem.

Hello123 said:

Mark_A said:

The photo of the dead father and daughter in the Rio Grande.

There have been some comments that publications showing the photo have been disrespectful to the family of the dead.

Others have said that using such photos is essential to getting the story out, to illustrating an issue that is happening to many.

I know there are many examples of shocking photos going back in time that helped crystalise feelings towards events / wars / civilian issues.

What do you think? was it right to publish this photo?

And is there an issue that it is only poor people and usually non white people whose photos are published like this?

Mark_A

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People die every day, thousands of them. Women, children, men, grandparents, the weak, the strong, the list goes on and on. In fact, 151,600* people die each day. The ONLY reason this picture was published is that it fits the political narrative.

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I am pretty sure that the death of father in child which was documented in the photo is different from almost all cases of death in your statistics. There are natural death, therare cases of death because of accidents and because of crime. In which category would you put the case of father and daughter?

Yes, it fits into some narratives - as there is some politics with some consequences and for this reason some stories that can be told. The job of telling stories is journalism - and the camera is still an important tool for journalists.

Hello123 said:

Joseph Goebbels would be proud of how well the mass media has been used these past couples of decades.

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Joseph Goebbels used propaganda in an extreme way. Maybe he is one of the inventors of fake news, lies and manipulative story telling.

But this photo: where is the lie? Where is the manipulation?

It's the just the naked truth telling a true story. I am pretty sure that a lot of people don't like the story - but it is a story journalism has to tell as it happened, it is true and has something to do with civilisation and politics - it has to do with things the receptors of journalism maybe can change or at least feel responsible for. Here is the job of journalism in a democracy - and even if it is a dirty job - it is a job to be made to keep civilisation from running mad.

We had a similar story of a dead child at the mediterranian sea with his head facing into the sand of the coast. It was a story that touched peoples heart and maybe was helpful for a few refugies to cross the sea without drowning. Hundreds an thousands of migrants from Africa drowned in the Mediterranian Sea - and a single photo of one child gave them a place in the heart of the people. If you don't touch peoples heart you will hardly change anything. But if you touch their heart with telling the truth - you are not like Josep Geobbels but like Berthold Brecht or Thomas Mann, famous German writers of that days who wanted to change peoples heart in a positive ways with their writings.

Joesph Goebbels was on the side of the protagonists of death while Brecht and Mann (my grandfather risiked the life of his family by lisiting to the words of Thomas Mann on BBC radio in **** Germany) were protagonists of a way to life. I am pretty sure to know on which side the photographer of the photo we are talking about in this treat can be found ...

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*source https://www.ecology.com/birth-death-rates/

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Tell me...how many innocent people in the 30's were killed compared to today? Numbers please? Do you think more gun control is the answer? In London people are getting there heads cut off and stabbed daily...no guns allowed. Should we ban knives? How about banning cars? Maybe we should put goveners on cars in cities so they only do 5 MPG?

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When was the last time someone killed 60 people with a knife and last time I checked they now have barriers up to stop people from driving into crowds. Will changing the laws stop every death no they won’t but it will stop some and to do nothing is morally bankrupt.

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Tell me...how many innocent people in the 30's were killed compared to today? Numbers please?

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1933 saw a murder rate of 9.7 per 100k population in the US compared to 4.9 in 2015, that is almost double.

Enjoy

jerryf128 said:

Do you think more gun control is the answer? In London people are getting there heads cut off and stabbed daily...

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No, they aren't. At least for the heads cutting off - having at least one stabbing incident per day in a city of 5 million people is not very unusual even if true.

jerryf128 said:

no guns allowed. Should we ban knives? How about banning cars? Maybe we should put goveners on cars in cities so they only do 5 MPG?

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There is a huge difference between the number of people an attacker can kill with a knife and an assault rifle, afaik limiting gun ownership to 6-bullet handguns or even 2-round shotguns would be more than an acceptable compromise for most gun control advocates.

I'm totally on board with mental health funding. Our cities are overrun with people that should be in institutions, NOT jails, to get them off the streets and give them the help they need. There are thousands of empty government buildings that could be converted to house people in need. Free needles is not the answer.

jerryf128 said:

I'm totally on board with mental health funding. Our cities are overrun with people that should be in institutions, NOT jails, to get them off the streets and give them the help they need. There are thousands of empty government buildings that could be converted to house people in need. Free needles is not the answer.

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You going good until you got to the free needles most drug addicts do not have mental health issues.

jerryf128 said:

Also no one mentions the coyotes, and what they do to these children!! By allowing open boarders with no control of who comes in, this problem will continue. Congress and the president have to get together to fix this problem.

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We don't have open borders and no one wants open borders but nice try.

Max Iso said:

tcg550 said:

Hello123 said:

Mark_A said:

The photo of the dead father and daughter in the Rio Grande.

There have been some comments that publications showing the photo have been disrespectful to the family of the dead.

Others have said that using such photos is essential to getting the story out, to illustrating an issue that is happening to many.

I know there are many examples of shocking photos going back in time that helped crystalise feelings towards events / wars / civilian issues.

What do you think? was it right to publish this photo?

And is there an issue that it is only poor people and usually non white people whose photos are published like this?

Mark_A

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People die every day, thousands of them. Women, children, men, grandparents, the weak, the strong, the list goes on and on. In fact, 151,600* people die each day. The ONLY reason this picture was published is that it fits the political narrative. Joseph Goebbels would be proud of how well the mass media has been used these past couples of decades.

*source https://www.ecology.com/birth-death-rates/

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But many people die needlessly and news stories with photos could be used to prevent more needless dying by bringing attention to a horrible situation.

Some people need to be shocked with photos or see something first hand in order to sway their opinion and begin to take steps to stop the dying.

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So the first step is, show this photo to the people illegally crossing the border, maybe they will stop doing risky things with small children?

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Photos have a lot of power. They have become very famous. It could make others want to follow in their footsteps.

Max Iso said:

So the first step is, show this photo to the people illegally crossing the border, maybe they will stop doing risky things with small children?

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How desperate must their situation be to risk their lives and the lives of their children?

Can you even imaging the circumstances that would cause you to risk everything including your life to keep your kids safe?

jerryf128 said:

HOGWASH!!

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Your insipid one word response (and posted in all caps and three exclamation points, no less) pretty much exposes you as someone whose views on this are purely based in raw emotions and nothing else.

If you're willing to debate this issue as an adult, I'll be more than happy to but don't expect me to debate this with you any further if the best you can do is respond like a 16 year old Call of Duty player who just lost a match.

So what do we think will be the effect of this image?

Will it persuade migrants not to risk the dangerous river crossing?

Will it persuade US and Mexican politicians to show more care to the migrants around the border?

Will Trump be persuaded that immigration policy should change, one way or another?

What do you think will be the effect of the publication of this image?

Mark_A

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So what do we think will be the effect of this image?

Will it persuade migrants not to risk the dangerous river crossing?

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They will risk it even more because of the potential for fame. The image made the subjects famous.

Mark_A said:

Will it persuade US and Mexican politicians to show more care to the migrants around the border?

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They will show even less care, like story of mom charged for death of fetus for getting in fight while pregnant.

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Will Trump be persuaded that immigration policy should change, one way or another?

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He enjoys this footage. He'll see this as a sign his policies are working and will push full steam ahead.

I would hope it would stop the crossings, but I am sure it won't. I also think that congress needs to step up to the plate and get together with Trump to find a solution. I notice in many of these Q&A's nobody mentions congress for solutions. Everyone needs to a solution, not just the president.