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I badly want a brown X100F.. but isn’t it obsolete sensor tech compared to the xt3? I’d be sooo sad if the successor will be announced closely after I buy it!
 
Victoria Marshall said:
Ed B said:
ikaika777 said:
Hopefully soon, I like my X100F but it’s pretty dismal in low light. Definitely needs better af speed and a better lens.
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Everyone is different and everyone has different requirements for a camera/lens so if you're routinely taking pictures in a bar/club any dark indoor venue I agree the X100F may not be the right camera for you.

Then again, every time someone talks about a camera (any camera) that's not good in low light I ask myself "how low is the light they're talking about"

I've owned two X100S cameras and bought the atX100F not long after it was introduced.

I take a lot of indoor pictures, some in dimly lit areas, and have never had a problem with the X100 series.

Let's face it, a camera that does a good job with ISO as high as 6400 and that has a 2.0 lens is no slouch in dimly lit areas. Autofocus speed may not be quick enough for fast-moving subjects but very few cameras would meet that requirement and I've always been able to get a shutter speed with the X100 series cameras that prevents blur.

If worse comes to worst the X100 series does have that little feature called a hot shoe and although I don't use it often, the Metz M400 flash works great on the X100F. :-)

I don't mean to be too critical of your comment about the camera being "dismal" in low light but I disagree with you and have to admit I'm one of those people who still believe good photography is all about good light.
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That pretty much mirrors my sentiments, Ed. Low light, and other photographic terms like 'portrait', 'landscape', etc., mean wildly different things to different people.

Naturally, if I was going to shoot something critical, I'd prefer to use my X-T2, but having the 100F as my 'carry always' camera, I get plenty of shots that I wouldn't have otherwise gotten.
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Yes, I agree that an interchangeable lens camera like the X-T2 with a fast lens would be a better choice.

I think my biggest disagreement with ikaika777 is his use of the word "dismal" to describe the X100F low light ability.

There are better cameras for certain situations be dismal just doesn't do the X100F justice and the example you posted verifies that.

The Torontonian said:
I was out one night recently, heard a band, went to investigate, and banged off a couple of shots with my X100F.


jfb1

The above was in ridiculously low light. ISO 6400, and spot metering, got me a couple of decent shots under the circumstances.

Could I have gotten better results with my X-T2? Of course. I could have gotten much better results, had I gone out with the intent to shoot a band that night, -but I didn't. I went out with the intent of just shooting some casual night shots, stumbled upon a band, and managed to get a couple of acceptable shots.
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ikaika777 said:
We’ll have to agree to disagree. I can be in the same low light room with my X100F and X-E3 and X-T2 and while the X100F is busy hunting I can get quick focus and take the shot with my X-E3 or X-T2 and the 35 F2 and 50 F2 with the exact same settings
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I've never had the hunting problem but I will admit that I don't try to take pictures in extremely dark areas so that may be the reason I haven't had the same problems as you.
 
Alphaville said:
I badly want a brown X100F.. but isn’t it obsolete sensor tech compared to the xt3? I’d be sooo sad if the successor will be announced closely after I buy it!
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Totally obsolete, very hard to bring out those PDAF masks from all that signal.
 
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Brad Herman said:
The XT-3 has a slightly better sensor (and upgraded processor) than the XT-2, which supports some of its new features. With that said, the XT-3 is a completely different 'tool' than the X100F.

I have an X100F and liked it so much, I sold my Leica Q. I thought that the color output and OOTC JPEGS on the X100F were so much better. I also recently just bought not one, but two FujiFilm XH-1s, which use the same sensors as the XT-2. IMO, for $1299.00 with the grip and three batteries it was just a "no-brainer". It makes no difference to me that the XT-3 is a more up-to-date camera, because the build, features and technology worked better for me than the XT-3.

Digital cameras are not typically mot purchased as an investment. They are a tool. Buy what you'll use today and have fun. I bought into the X-Series lens system and I'm cool with new cameras coming out because the current offerings serve my purpose and the lenses are portable - they will transfer over to the next new generation camera body.

Just buy what you like, take picture's and have fun.

-Brad
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Agreed.

I have a Z6, but couldn't resist the X-H1 with grip and 3 batteries for that steal of a price.

Was so pleased, I brought the 16mm f/1.4 soon after.

The price I have to pay for being an early adopter. Hopefully the 24mm 1.8 S lens comes out soon, or I just might get rid of the Z6.
 
Brad Herman said:
The XT-3 has a slightly better sensor (and upgraded processor) than the XT-2, which supports some of its new features. With that said, the XT-3 is a completely different 'tool' than the X100F.

I have an X100F and liked it so much, I sold my Leica Q. I thought that the color output and OOTC JPEGS on the X100F were so much better. I also recently just bought not one, but two FujiFilm XH-1s, which use the same sensors as the XT-2. IMO, for $1299.00 with the grip and three batteries it was just a "no-brainer". It makes no difference to me that the XT-3 is a more up-to-date camera, because the build, features and technology worked better for me than the XT-3.

Digital cameras are not typically mot purchased as an investment. They are a tool. Buy what you'll use today and have fun. I bought into the X-Series lens system and I'm cool with new cameras coming out because the current offerings serve my purpose and the lenses are portable - they will transfer over to the next new generation camera body.

Just buy what you like, take picture's and have fun.

-Brad
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I was going to post basically the same response. Buy what you like and get good at using it. Usually the camera is not the limitation but one's skill.
 
Ed B said:
Victoria Marshall said:
Ed B said:
ikaika777 said:
Hopefully soon, I like my X100F but it’s pretty dismal in low light. Definitely needs better af speed and a better lens.
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Everyone is different and everyone has different requirements for a camera/lens so if you're routinely taking pictures in a bar/club any dark indoor venue I agree the X100F may not be the right camera for you.

Then again, every time someone talks about a camera (any camera) that's not good in low light I ask myself "how low is the light they're talking about"

I've owned two X100S cameras and bought the atX100F not long after it was introduced.

I take a lot of indoor pictures, some in dimly lit areas, and have never had a problem with the X100 series.

Let's face it, a camera that does a good job with ISO as high as 6400 and that has a 2.0 lens is no slouch in dimly lit areas. Autofocus speed may not be quick enough for fast-moving subjects but very few cameras would meet that requirement and I've always been able to get a shutter speed with the X100 series cameras that prevents blur.

If worse comes to worst the X100 series does have that little feature called a hot shoe and although I don't use it often, the Metz M400 flash works great on the X100F. :-)

I don't mean to be too critical of your comment about the camera being "dismal" in low light but I disagree with you and have to admit I'm one of those people who still believe good photography is all about good light
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That pretty much mirrors my sentiments, Ed. Low light, and other photographic terms like 'portrait', 'landscape', etc., mean wildly different things to different people.

Naturally, if I was going to shoot something critical, I'd prefer to use my X-T2, but having the 100F as my 'carry always' camera, I get plenty of shots that I wouldn't have otherwise gotten.
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Yes, I agree that an interchangeable lens camera like the X-T2 with a fast lens would be a better choice.

I think my biggest disagreement with ikaika777 is his use of the word "dismal" to describe the X100F low light ability.

There are better cameras for certain situations be dismal just doesn't do the X100F justice and the example you posted verifies that.
Ed B said:
I was out one night recently, heard a band, went to investigate, and banged off a couple of shots with my X100F.


jfb1

The above was in ridiculously low light. ISO 6400, and spot metering, got me a couple of decent shots under the circumstances.

Could I have gotten better results with my X-T2? Of course. I could have gotten much better results, had I gone out with the intent to shoot a band that night, -but I didn't. I went out with the intent of just shooting some casual night shots, stumbled upon a band, and managed to get a couple of acceptable shots.
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I would like to add that I like to shoot in music venues. Frequently the proscription is NO INTERCHANGEABLE LENS OR PROFESSIONAL CAMERAS. Security personnel never even bat an eye at the diminutive x100f. (Once I had to offer a $100 challenge to a security guy to get the lens off my Leica Q.)

Doesn't matter how capable your equipment is - it's not going to do you any good if you leave it at home.

Which brings me around to the ULTIMATE selling point for the x100 series: you can pretty much take it anywhere and you WANT to pretty much take it anywhere. And once it's there it can deliver serviceable to great results in pretty much any situation or circumstance.
 
Alphaville said:
I badly want a brown X100F.. but isn’t it obsolete sensor tech compared to the xt3? I’d be sooo sad if the successor will be announced closely after I buy it!
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Seriously, I don't understand how some people reason.. Camera gear is about having what suits your needs and what allows you to achieve the results you want, not about having "the latest". Or do you believe a newer sensor will somehow make your photos ten times better? There are sensors that are 5+ years old that aren't by any means "obsolete". Besides, the main difference between sensors lies in noise and dynamic range, else the lens is more important for image quality anyway.
 
JayPhizzt said:
Alphaville said:
I badly want a brown X100F.. but isn’t it obsolete sensor tech compared to the xt3? I’d be sooo sad if the successor will be announced closely after I buy it!
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Seriously, I don't understand how some people reason.. Camera gear is about having what suits your needs and what allows you to achieve the results you want, not about having "the latest". Or do you believe a newer sensor will somehow make your photos ten times better? There are sensors that are 5+ years old that aren't by any means "obsolete". Besides, the main difference between sensors lies in noise and dynamic range, else the lens is more important for image quality anyway.
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I hear you. Have you ever noticed that right after a new camera comes out that someone starts wondering what features will be on the the next model? I always wonder if these people even take photos or just obsess over gear.
 
JayPhizzt said:
Alphaville said:
I badly want a brown X100F.. but isn’t it obsolete sensor tech compared to the xt3? I’d be sooo sad if the successor will be announced closely after I buy it!
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Seriously, I don't understand how some people reason.. Camera gear is about having what suits your needs and what allows you to achieve the results you want, not about having "the latest". Or do you believe a newer sensor will somehow make your photos ten times better? There are sensors that are 5+ years old that aren't by any means "obsolete". Besides, the main difference between sensors lies in noise and dynamic range, else the lens is more important for image quality anyway.
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Well, sharpness up close and autofocus speed of the lens up to xt3 levels and weather sealing could supposedly improve. But in the meantime, I enjoy my F as no other camera, I find it much better than the T!
 
JayPhizzt said:
Alphaville said:
I badly want a brown X100F.. but isn’t it obsolete sensor tech compared to the xt3? I’d be sooo sad if the successor will be announced closely after I buy it!
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Seriously, I don't understand how some people reason.. Camera gear is about having what suits your needs and what allows you to achieve the results you want, not about having "the latest". Or do you believe a newer sensor will somehow make your photos ten times better? There are sensors that are 5+ years old that aren't by any means "obsolete". Besides, the main difference between sensors lies in noise and dynamic range, else the lens is more important for image quality anyway.
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You are right, but far too logical for here were emotions more often than not are key acquisition drivers!
 
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