Alphaville
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I badly want a brown X100F.. but isn’t it obsolete sensor tech compared to the xt3? I’d be sooo sad if the successor will be announced closely after I buy it!
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No it’s not obsolete. There isn’t much of a difference between the two sensors,
The X100F is still big in Japan.
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The X100F is still big in Japan.
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According to Fujirumors "trusted sources", they say the X100F successor won't likely come before 2020. I say if you like it, buy it now. People who bought it seem to be quite happy with it. After 2 and a half years, it remains a DPR favourite.
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The XT-3 has a slightly better sensor (and upgraded processor) than the XT-2, which supports some of its new features. With that said, the XT-3 is a completely different 'tool' than the X100F.
I have an X100F and liked it so much, I sold my Leica Q. I thought that the color output and OOTC JPEGS on the X100F were so much better. I also recently just bought not one, but two FujiFilm XH-1s, which use the same sensors as the XT-2. IMO, for $1299.00 with the grip and three batteries it was just a "no-brainer". It makes no difference to me that the XT-3 is a more up-to-date camera, because the build, features and technology worked better for me than the XT-3.
Digital cameras are not typically mot purchased as an investment. They are a tool. Buy what you'll use today and have fun. I bought into the X-Series lens system and I'm cool with new cameras coming out because the current offerings serve my purpose and the lenses are portable - they will transfer over to the next new generation camera body.
Just buy what you like, take picture's and have fun.
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I have an X100F and liked it so much, I sold my Leica Q. I thought that the color output and OOTC JPEGS on the X100F were so much better. I also recently just bought not one, but two FujiFilm XH-1s, which use the same sensors as the XT-2. IMO, for $1299.00 with the grip and three batteries it was just a "no-brainer". It makes no difference to me that the XT-3 is a more up-to-date camera, because the build, features and technology worked better for me than the XT-3.
Digital cameras are not typically mot purchased as an investment. They are a tool. Buy what you'll use today and have fun. I bought into the X-Series lens system and I'm cool with new cameras coming out because the current offerings serve my purpose and the lenses are portable - they will transfer over to the next new generation camera body.
Just buy what you like, take picture's and have fun.
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I'm not sure why you would be sooo sad if the successor was announced after you purchased the X100F. It is a fabulous camera, get it and enjoy it.
I did read an article by one of the execs at Fuji and if I remember correctly the 2 items on or near the top of their list for the next generation would be an upgraded lens and weather sealing. Are they important enough to you to wait?
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Well it’s bound to get the faster AF you see in the XT30 compared to the XT20.
That comment about an upgraded lens surprises me.
The same 23mm lens has been used on each of the X100 series cameras and people who complain about that lens are usually people who have never owned an X100 camera or people who probably should have bought a different type camera, to begin with.
Guess we'll just have to wait and see what Fuji decides to do for an upgrade. I'm sure the next model will have the newer 26mp sensor and newer processor, and weather sealing would seem logical, but I'm not sure about a different lens.
If they do put a different lens on it they might as well change the name while they're at it.
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Wait, what? You 'badly' want a camera that you only know about through speculation, and which you assume to be obsolete before it's even released?
You might want to re-think your logic, there, Nostradamus....
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He badly wants a brown X100F, which is the current camera, but is worried that the X-T3 sensor, which will be in the next X100, is significantly better than the X-T2 sensor, which is in the X100F.
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For what it's worth, I tested both the X100F and X-T2 and found the low light AF performance lacking. I experienced serious hunting and slow focus in normal indoors situations. X100F had it worse. That made me wait until the X-T3 came out, and I'm glad I did! The X-T3 focuses very fast and accurate, combined with my 35mm f1.4 I can almost see in the dark.
I plan on getting an X100 series camera but I'm waiting for the next generation which should have similarly improved AF (and according to the rumors an updated lens). Weather sealing and a tilt screen would be very welcome too!
I plan on getting an X100 series camera but I'm waiting for the next generation which should have similarly improved AF (and according to the rumors an updated lens). Weather sealing and a tilt screen would be very welcome too!
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Hi, obsolete - no. I have one camera with the same sensor as the X100F (XE3) and a XT3 with the newer sensor. For general image viewing on screens and moderate sized print neither my family nor I can tell the difference in output. I bought the XT3 for its AF performance for sports. For slow moving or static subjects you will hard pushed to see a difference in sensor performance, including across the ISO range.
Given that none of us knows either the future specification or the release date, if you have a pending need, holiday or project I’d suggest buying now. If in 2020, or whenever it is released, the spec wows us/you just upgrade and accept the financial hit that accompanies enjoying one of the World’s finest cameras now and staying at the cutting edge of technological advancement.
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okey doke!
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Hopefully soon, I like my X100F but it’s pretty dismal in low light. Definitely needs better af speed and a better lens.
OP - if you are prone to this kind of angst you will likely be happier with the next iteration. How about buying a used F to learn how to get the best from it, then trade it in for the new version when it comes along. Best of both worlds!
Alphaville
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Everyone is different and everyone has different requirements for a camera/lens so if you're routinely taking pictures in a bar/club any dark indoor venue I agree the X100F may not be the right camera for you.
Then again, every time someone talks about a camera (any camera) that's not good in low light I ask myself "how low is the light they're talking about"
I've owned two X100S cameras and bought the atX100F not long after it was introduced.
I take a lot of indoor pictures, some in dimly lit areas, and have never had a problem with the X100 series.
Let's face it, a camera that does a good job with ISO as high as 6400 and that has a 2.0 lens is no slouch in dimly lit areas. Autofocus speed may not be quick enough for fast-moving subjects but very few cameras would meet that requirement and I've always been able to get a shutter speed with the X100 series cameras that prevents blur.
If worse comes to worst the X100 series does have that little feature called a hot shoe and although I don't use it often, the Metz M400 flash works great on the X100F.
I don't mean to be too critical of your comment about the camera being "dismal" in low light but I disagree with you and have to admit I'm one of those people who still believe good photography is all about good light.
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That pretty much mirrors my sentiments, Ed. Low light, and other photographic terms like 'portrait', 'landscape', etc., mean wildly different things to different people.Ed B said:Everyone is different and everyone has different requirements for a camera/lens so if you're routinely taking pictures in a bar/club any dark indoor venue I agree the X100F may not be the right camera for you.ikaika777 said:
Then again, every time someone talks about a camera (any camera) that's not good in low light I ask myself "how low is the light they're talking about"
I've owned two X100S cameras and bought the atX100F not long after it was introduced.
I take a lot of indoor pictures, some in dimly lit areas, and have never had a problem with the X100 series.
Let's face it, a camera that does a good job with ISO as high as 6400 and that has a 2.0 lens is no slouch in dimly lit areas. Autofocus speed may not be quick enough for fast-moving subjects but very few cameras would meet that requirement and I've always been able to get a shutter speed with the X100 series cameras that prevents blur.
If worse comes to worst the X100 series does have that little feature called a hot shoe and although I don't use it often, the Metz M400 flash works great on the X100F.
I don't mean to be too critical of your comment about the camera being "dismal" in low light but I disagree with you and have to admit I'm one of those people who still believe good photography is all about good light.
Naturally, if I was going to shoot something critical, I'd prefer to use my X-T2, but having the 100F as my 'carry always' camera, I get plenty of shots that I wouldn't have otherwise gotten.
I was out one night recently, heard a band, went to investigate, and banged off a couple of shots with my X100F.
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The above was in ridiculously low light. ISO 6400, and spot metering, got me a couple of decent shots under the circumstances.
Could I have gotten better results with my X-T2? Of course. I could have gotten much better results, had I gone out with the intent to shoot a band that night, -but I didn't. I went out with the intent of just shooting some casual night shots, stumbled upon a band, and managed to get a couple of acceptable shots.
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We’ll have to agree to disagree. I can be in the same low light room with my X100F and X-E3 and X-T2 and while the X100F is busy hunting I can get quick focus and take the shot with my X-E3 or X-T2 and the 35 F2 and 50 F2 with the exact same settings. When the X-T2 and X-Pro2 got the better low light algorithm in a firmware update Fuji decided not to give it to the X100F, when the X-E3 was released it had a new af tracking algorithm which was later released to the X-T2, X-Pro2, and X-H1 in a firmware update. Fuji promised it was going to be released to the X100F and yet Fuji decided to neglect that too. It is my “opinion” that those upgrades weren’t given to the X100F because of the lens as all those cameras have the exact same sensor and processor. The reason I believe that is because when the X100F was about to come out people asked if the old lens could handle the new processor and the Fuji engineers said yes, but I think that is all it could handle, “as is”, and that’s why no substantial upgrades came to the X100F. If the new X100 series camera comes out with a new sensor/processor it’s definitely gong to have an upgraded lens because it has to. And the X100F is not a cheap camera so it shouldn’t have been neglected just because it’s a fixed lens camera.Everyone is different and everyone has different requirements for a camera/lens so if you're routinely taking pictures in a bar/club any dark indoor venue I agree the X100F may not be the right camera for you.
Then again, every time someone talks about a camera (any camera) that's not good in low light I ask myself "how low is the light they're talking about"
I've owned two X100S cameras and bought the atX100F not long after it was introduced.
I take a lot of indoor pictures, some in dimly lit areas, and have never had a problem with the X100 series.
Let's face it, a camera that does a good job with ISO as high as 6400 and that has a 2.0 lens is no slouch in dimly lit areas. Autofocus speed may not be quick enough for fast-moving subjects but very few cameras would meet that requirement and I've always been able to get a shutter speed with the X100 series cameras that prevents blur.
If worse comes to worst the X100 series does have that little feature called a hot shoe and although I don't use it often, the Metz M400 flash works great on the X100F.
I don't mean to be too critical of your comment about the camera being "dismal" in low light but I disagree with you and have to admit I'm one of those people who still believe good photography is all about good light.
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