HD Pentax DA* 11-18 2.8 brick wall series at 2.8

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Just made a quick brickwall test at 2.8, the building didn't have big sections of wall without windows so this is a relatively small section taken at a close distance of about 6 feet.



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Nothing fancy about my shooting method hand held kept camera as level and straight to the plane of the wall as I could manage physically. No additional tweaking in capture one pro the program itself adds a very slight amount of sharping on reduction from raw to jpeg.

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Glad to meet another shooter with the sense to test a new lens.

You have slight to moderate decentering on the left side, especially on the bottom left. I would rate most of this as acceptable (noticeable only on great magnification), except for that bottom left problem.

Take some real world photos and check for problems. It may be that the lens is fine if you avoid F2.8. I am a severe critic of Pentax's decentering problem, but there are lenses that I have kept that have some decentering. I just avoid shooting them wide open.

Joe
 
Glad to meet another shooter with the sense to test a new lens.

You have slight to moderate decentering on the left side, especially on the bottom left. I would rate most of this as acceptable (noticeable only on great magnification), except for that bottom left problem.

Take some real world photos and check for problems. It may be that the lens is fine if you avoid F2.8. I am a severe critic of Pentax's decentering problem, but there are lenses that I have kept that have some decentering. I just avoid shooting them wide open.

Joe
Yes thanks Joe.

I feel I have an acceptable lens from this test and my experience with it from images I have been getting. I noticed like you softness on the left side. I will be using it as a landscape and architecture lens as well as for city scenes in small streets, interiors and the like. None of these uses really need to be taken at f 2.8 I may do astrophotography with it on occasion and here I'll be using 2.8. Also 2.8 makes it easier to frame in lowlight situations.

I'll do some more tests at other distances and f stops tripod mounted in the next week It will be a good way to get to know the lenses limitations and where the sweet spots are.

The lens itself handles very well egronomically it's not too large and I enjoy the zoom with the UW as I haven't owned one before and it focuses very fast. I also don't miss the sound of the screwdrive limiteds..

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Glad to meet another shooter with the sense to test a new lens.

You have slight to moderate decentering on the left side, especially on the bottom left. I would rate most of this as acceptable (noticeable only on great magnification), except for that bottom left problem.

Take some real world photos and check for problems. It may be that the lens is fine if you avoid F2.8. I am a severe critic of Pentax's decentering problem, but there are lenses that I have kept that have some decentering. I just avoid shooting them wide open.

Joe
Yes thanks Joe.

I feel I have an acceptable lens from this test and my experience with it from images I have been getting. I noticed like you softness on the left side. I will be using it as a landscape and architecture lens as well as for city scenes in small streets, interiors and the like. None of these uses really need to be taken at f 2.8 I may do astrophotography with it on occasion and here I'll be using 2.8. Also 2.8 makes it easier to frame in lowlight situations.

I'll do some more tests at other distances and f stops tripod mounted in the next week It will be a good way to get to know the lenses limitations and where the sweet spots are.

The lens itself handles very well egronomically it's not too large and I enjoy the zoom with the UW as I haven't owned one before and it focuses very fast. I also don't miss the sound of the screwdrive limiteds..
It would certainly be going back if it was my mine ..... the left is soft ....... in this day and age of 14 day returns, you have all you need to return it for another to try for a well centred copy ......

Edit: I've just looked up the price of the lens ........ $1,300 ..... it's an expensive star lens ...... you pay a lot for that F2.8 ........ nice to be able to use it.

.............. patience is a virtue when buying lenses!

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Glad to meet another shooter with the sense to test a new lens.

You have slight to moderate decentering on the left side, especially on the bottom left. I would rate most of this as acceptable (noticeable only on great magnification), except for that bottom left problem.

Take some real world photos and check for problems. It may be that the lens is fine if you avoid F2.8. I am a severe critic of Pentax's decentering problem, but there are lenses that I have kept that have some decentering. I just avoid shooting them wide open.

Joe
Yes thanks Joe.

I feel I have an acceptable lens from this test and my experience with it from images I have been getting. I noticed like you softness on the left side. I will be using it as a landscape and architecture lens as well as for city scenes in small streets, interiors and the like. None of these uses really need to be taken at f 2.8 I may do astrophotography with it on occasion and here I'll be using 2.8. Also 2.8 makes it easier to frame in lowlight situations.

I'll do some more tests at other distances and f stops tripod mounted in the next week It will be a good way to get to know the lenses limitations and where the sweet spots are.

The lens itself handles very well egronomically it's not too large and I enjoy the zoom with the UW as I haven't owned one before and it focuses very fast. I also don't miss the sound of the screwdrive limiteds..
It would certainly be going back if it was my mine ..... the left is soft ....... in this day and age of 14 day returns, you have all you need to return it for another to try for a well centred copy ......

Edit: I've just looked up the price of the lens ........ $1,300 ..... it's an expensive star lens ...... you pay a lot for that F2.8 ........ nice to be able to use it.

.............. patience is a virtue when buying lenses!
I'm using it now and have yes noticed it's a little soft on the left side but as Joe said acceptable so not going back.
 
Dunno if shooting hand-held is a proper way to check for decentering, especially on a UWA lens
That's why I mentioned that it was handheld, but still I've shot it with tripod quite alot and the softness on the extreme left edge is still there but for me not bad enough to worry about. Not to worry though I'll be giving it a workout in honour of the brickwall test experts..

If anyone has any tips for getting the small DSLR body exactly at a parallel til a wall 3 meters away I'd like to know about them.

Regards

Brent

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Worst softness was on left side and most softness on bottom left corner. They did focus point adjustment. Now it is much better for all sides, but bottom left corner still having a bit more softness than other sides. All corners not exactly equal either. Top middle side seems to perform about 100% because it is very close to center sharpness which is sharp indeed. Other sides a bit less. It is ridiculous that these can happen in this price range.

How possible it is that all corners can have identical sharpness? Some say that there is no perfectly centered lens.
 
Just made a quick brickwall test at 2.8, the building didn't have big sections of wall without windows so this is a relatively small section taken at a close distance of about 6 feet.
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Nothing fancy about my shooting method hand held kept camera as level and straight to the plane of the wall as I could manage physically. No additional tweaking in capture one pro the program itself adds a very slight amount of sharping on reduction from raw to jpeg.
It is good of you to share these images, but sadly they don't appear to flatter the lens. At a cost of around £1250 in the UK (the top end of the Pentax DA price range), it would seem reasonable to expect to see better performance than is evident here. It might be that the testing method is inadequate, or that this is an inferior example of the lens, or a combination of both. However, if further tests give similar results, it would seem wise to consider returning this lens.

Philip
 
The best test is at infinity focus .......... putting the horizon on a diagonal corner to corner..... top left to bottom right and bottom left to top right .....

........ you need no alignment for infinity distances !!
 
Just made a quick brickwall test at 2.8, the building didn't have big sections of wall without windows so this is a relatively small section taken at a close distance of about 6 feet.
[ Images ]
Nothing fancy about my shooting method hand held kept camera as level and straight to the plane of the wall as I could manage physically. No additional tweaking in capture one pro the program itself adds a very slight amount of sharping on reduction from raw to jpeg.
It is good of you to share these images, but sadly they don't appear to flatter the lens. At a cost of around £1250 in the UK (the top end of the Pentax DA price range), it would seem reasonable to expect to see better performance than is evident here. It might be that the testing method is inadequate, or that this is an inferior example of the lens, or a combination of both. However, if further tests give similar results, it would seem wise to consider returning this lens.

Philip
I really have not seen this softness on my iMac monitor, I don't need to view at 100% magnification all over the image to determine if it's sharp enough both for printing or normal screen size viewing. I crop to the image size I want as an end user either by zooming with the lens or changing the lens to one the covers the FOV I need to capture.
 
The best test is at infinity focus .......... putting the horizon on a diagonal corner to corner..... top left to bottom right and bottom left to top right .....

........ you need no alignment for infinity distances !!
Okay that sounds like sound advice for images that need perfect detail at infinity distances, but what about images that need sharpness from say 3 feet out to a middle distance of 35 feet like interiors in churches or small streets is the infinity focus the proper way to check then?
 
The best test is at infinity focus .......... putting the horizon on a diagonal corner to corner..... top left to bottom right and bottom left to top right .....

........ you need no alignment for infinity distances !!
Okay that sounds like sound advice for images that need perfect detail at infinity distances,
It is a centering test for the lens ........ it is not for calibrating the accuracy of the focus ..... it is to see if the lens's optical alignment is correct ........ normally distance doesn't change any de-centering there may be ....... if it's good at infinity it should be fine close up.
but what about images that need sharpness from say 3 feet out to a middle distance of 35 feet like interiors in churches or small streets is the infinity focus the proper way to check then?
Do the infinity test ......... then if you are happy with the centering ....... then adjust AF fine tune .......



Dave's clichés
 
The best test is at infinity focus .......... putting the horizon on a diagonal corner to corner..... top left to bottom right and bottom left to top right .....

........ you need no alignment for infinity distances !!
Okay that sounds like sound advice for images that need perfect detail at infinity distances,
It is a centering test for the lens ........ it is not for calibrating the accuracy of the focus ..... it is to see if the lens's optical alignment is correct ........ normally distance doesn't change any de-centering there may be ....... if it's good at infinity it should be fine close up.
Not always the case, I had a horribly decentered Tamron 28-75 2.8, at infinity distance, but OK close up! It needed F8 for left side to sharpen up, but indoors at 10 ft sharp at 2.8....
but what about images that need sharpness from say 3 feet out to a middle distance of 35 feet like interiors in churches or small streets is the infinity focus the proper way to check then?
Do the infinity test ......... then if you are happy with the centering ....... then adjust AF fine tune .......

Dave's clichés
 
It is ridiculous that these can happen in this price range.
Ricoh claims that all lenses are tested. This is clearly not true.

I've been criticized before for calling this claim a lie, so I won't use that word, but you can draw your own conclusion.

Or maybe Ricoh does test the lenses, then just sells bad ones anyway.

Joe
 
Just made a quick brickwall test at 2.8, the building didn't have big sections of wall without windows so this is a relatively small section taken at a close distance of about 6 feet.
[ Images ]
Nothing fancy about my shooting method hand held kept camera as level and straight to the plane of the wall as I could manage physically. No additional tweaking in capture one pro the program itself adds a very slight amount of sharping on reduction from raw to jpeg.
It is good of you to share these images, but sadly they don't appear to flatter the lens. At a cost of around £1250 in the UK (the top end of the Pentax DA price range), it would seem reasonable to expect to see better performance than is evident here. It might be that the testing method is inadequate, or that this is an inferior example of the lens, or a combination of both. However, if further tests give similar results, it would seem wise to consider returning this lens.

Philip
I really have not seen this softness on my iMac monitor, I don't need to view at 100% magnification all over the image to determine if it's sharp enough both for printing or normal screen size viewing. I crop to the image size I want as an end user either by zooming with the lens or changing the lens to one the covers the FOV I need to capture.
You know, something similar happened to me years ago, when I bought the DA 16-45/4 lens. I noticed immediately, that it was mildly de centered. Return it, not return it, and later, before the warranty period expired, send it for repair, not to send it for repair? Well, I was afraid that it might come back even in the worse shape. That was my another experience with one my Canon camcorder. I got it back from the warranty repair (Canon Service, Toronto) in such a shape, that I simply had to cry. Since then I am avoiding Canon products. O.K. back to my lens, I think that I made a mistake not to return it within those first 15 days.

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Peter
 
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Biggest impedement to my photography is lack of time and money to get out to interesting photography worthy sites. Also the time to do the extensive testing many responders is this thread think is necessary when getting a new lens. In the past I haven't done much of this type of testing but here it is really relevant considering the cost of the lens and it's intended function.

I was out again with the lens today and did a handheld test with AF centerpoint focus going through all the marked focal lens on the zoom ring and doing it at 8 different F stops ranging 2.8 3.5, 4, 5.6, 8, 11, 14 and 16.

Looking at the results I can see issues everywhere in the frame and must conclude therefore that I can't reliably test the lens without using manual focus and zooming with live view for checking focus accuracy.

The tip that David Manze recommends with using infinity focus to check for decentering sounds like a good quick way to check. But what subject to choose, brick walls are difficult at the wider FL as the base of the wall sits a third of the way up the frame, this is a problem with any test of UW..

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Reflections, understandings, discoveries and intimations..
 
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Glad to meet another shooter with the sense to test a new lens.

You have slight to moderate decentering on the left side, especially on the bottom left. I would rate most of this as acceptable (noticeable only on great magnification), except for that bottom left problem.

Take some real world photos and check for problems. It may be that the lens is fine if you avoid F2.8. I am a severe critic of Pentax's decentering problem, but there are lenses that I have kept that have some decentering. I just avoid shooting them wide open.

Joe
Yes thanks Joe.

I feel I have an acceptable lens from this test and my experience with it from images I have been getting. I noticed like you softness on the left side. I will be using it as a landscape and architecture lens as well as for city scenes in small streets, interiors and the like. None of these uses really need to be taken at f 2.8 I may do astrophotography with it on occasion and here I'll be using 2.8. Also 2.8 makes it easier to frame in lowlight situations.

I'll do some more tests at other distances and f stops tripod mounted in the next week It will be a good way to get to know the lenses limitations and where the sweet spots are.

The lens itself handles very well egronomically it's not too large and I enjoy the zoom with the UW as I haven't owned one before and it focuses very fast. I also don't miss the sound of the screwdrive limiteds..
My sincere suggestion would be to get this copy replaced. You just bought this lens, and you deserve that it works 100%. You might decide later to do so, but by then either the warranty may have gone, or you may have bumped the lens at one or two places---which "can" be used by the store to deny warranty. They are always looking for reasons to do that.
 
The tip that David Manze recommends with using infinity focus to check for decentering sounds like a good quick way to check. But what subject to choose, brick walls are difficult at the wider FL as the base of the wall sits a third of the way up the frame, this is a problem with any test of UW..
A tree line is ideal ....... it makes for very fine detail (hopefully) far easier to see softness in leaves branches than larger subjects like bricks .....

..... but the real deals is you can't be out of square with infinity!
 
Just made a quick brickwall test at 2.8, the building didn't have big sections of wall without windows so this is a relatively small section taken at a close distance of about 6 feet.
[ Images ]
Nothing fancy about my shooting method hand held kept camera as level and straight to the plane of the wall as I could manage physically. No additional tweaking in capture one pro the program itself adds a very slight amount of sharping on reduction from raw to jpeg.
It is good of you to share these images, but sadly they don't appear to flatter the lens. At a cost of around £1250 in the UK (the top end of the Pentax DA price range), it would seem reasonable to expect to see better performance than is evident here. It might be that the testing method is inadequate, or that this is an inferior example of the lens, or a combination of both. However, if further tests give similar results, it would seem wise to consider returning this lens.

Philip
I really have not seen this softness on my iMac monitor, I don't need to view at 100% magnification all over the image to determine if it's sharp enough both for printing or normal screen size viewing. I crop to the image size I want as an end user either by zooming with the lens or changing the lens to one the covers the FOV I need to capture.
You know, something similar happened to me years ago, when I bought the DA 16-45/4 lens. I noticed immediately, that it was mildly de centered. Return it, not return it, and later, before the warranty period expired, send it for repair, not to send it for repair? Well, I was afraid that it might come back even in the worse shape. That was my another experience with one my Canon camcorder. I got it back from the warranty repair (Canon Service, Toronto) in such a shape, that I simply had to cry. Since then I am avoiding Canon products. O.K. back to my lens, I think that I made a mistake not to return it within those first 15 days.
Totally agree. I have been lazy to do these kind of things often, but I always regretted later on..LOL.
 

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